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To: Kolokotronis
In any event, in my Orthodox opinion, dogmatic proclamations like Humanae Vitae, without the possibility of economia, just breed contempt for the teaching authority of The Church.

What do you object to? I think Humanae Vitae began some clarification of the Church's teachings, which could more clearly been seen in John Paul the Great's Theology of the Body. It is wrong to try to separate the unitive and procreative aspects of love. I saw a couple of quotes from the fathers that do not accurately represent the Church's teachings.

Not every act of love must result in pregnancy, but every act of love must mirror the life giving love of the Creator.

I don't know the Orthodox position on this.

21 posted on 02/15/2007 3:44:18 PM PST by mockingbyrd (peace begins in the womb)
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To: mockingbyrd

"What do you object to?"

I don't object to any part of it. It isn't dogma in my church. I do object to a system which declares ex cathedra a dogma which the Laos tou Theou clearly have rejected and which then persists in that dogma. As you know, in Orthodoxy, no proclaimed dogma is accepted as dogma until the Laos tou Theou proclaim their "Axios" by living out that dogma in their lives. The Latin faithful have done quite the opposite when it comes to Humanae Vitae. But they and the Latin Church, have no way to deal with that situation. That, MB, breeds contempt for all dogma, let alone teachings which are in the category of theologoumenna.

" Not every act of love must result in pregnancy, but every act of love must mirror the life giving love of the Creator.

I don't know the Orthodox position on this."

The ban on artificial birth control is not dogmatic. It is theologoumennon. In any event, Orthodoxy leaves the issue to the couple and their spiritual father/bishop.


24 posted on 02/15/2007 4:28:46 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: mockingbyrd; Kolokotronis
I don't know the Orthodox position on this.

The Orthodox allow for artificial birth control.

Because of the lack of a full understanding of the implications of the biology of reproduction, earlier writers tended to identify abortion with contraception. However, of late a new view has taken hold among Orthodox writers and thinkers on this topic, which permits the use of certain contraceptive practices within marriage for the purpose of spacing children, enhancing the expression of marital love, and protecting health.

GOARCH

34 posted on 02/15/2007 4:44:27 PM PST by NYer ("Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church" - Ignatius of Antioch)
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