Posted on 07/13/2007 7:28:01 PM PDT by restornu
I Corinthians 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Mormons deny the deity of Christ.
Please stop ascribing you addendum and assumptions to what the LDS believe!
1 Tim 3
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh F11 is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
The Ensign, Jan. , pg. 48
Good morning, Resty. How are you today?
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Then God (Elohim) said" Let us make man in our image"
Elohim: Eloh (God) im (plural).
Start at the beginning and work your way through.
I don’t have a white shirt cutie!
Hey you I have vision trouble would appreciate you using "<>p" if it us not to difficult for you!:)
1 John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God.
And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world
We could go back and forth with this, first of all most of the MC are "afraid to try the Spirit" they rely on the Bible only!
Most dismiss even the thought of it yet man is commanded by the Lord to do this, but many are taught use the Bible only is the source.
There are some places in the Bible that are questionable by man own common sense and if one don't learn how to recognized the Holy Spirit they will continue to grope in the dark!
This is the first thing The Chruch of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints teaches is how to pray and to receive the Holy Ghost.
I had a witness from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was true, before I every read the Book of Mormon or knew "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" existed
By reading your understanding you are using the reasoning of man only.
What some are doing is applying their own addenum or assumptions to fit their temtplate or comprehension!
What the LDS talks about about can only be discern by the power of Holy of Spirit of God.
The LDS always believed Jesus always was Alpha and Omega.
Rev 1
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4 JOHN to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
No true Scotsman...
LOL!
Are you saying that you are GiovannaNicoletta too?
Such tests existed in several States and may still exist. The United States is not the States.
You are incorrect.
Ex 6
2 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
We teach that Christ is the Jehovah of the Old Testament, thus affirming the deity of Christ.
The Living Christ:
The Testimony of the Apostles
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Ensign, Apr 2000, 2
As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth.
He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. “All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made” (John 1:3). Though sinless, He was baptized to fulfill all righteousness. He “went about doing good” (Acts 10:38), yet was despised for it. His gospel was a message of peace and goodwill. He entreated all to follow His example. He walked the roads of Palestine, healing the sick, causing the blind to see, and raising the dead. He taught the truths of eternity, the reality of our premortal existence, the purpose of our life on earth, and the potential for the sons and daughters of God in the life to come.
He instituted the sacrament as a reminder of His great atoning sacrifice. He was arrested and condemned on spurious charges, convicted to satisfy a mob, and sentenced to die on Calvary’s cross. He gave His life to atone for the sins of all mankind. His was a great vicarious gift in behalf of all who would ever live upon the earth.
We solemnly testify that His life, which is central to all human history, neither began in Bethlehem nor concluded on Calvary. He was the Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh, the Redeemer of the world.
He rose from the grave to “become the firstfruits of them that slept” (1 Cor. 15:20). As Risen Lord, He visited among those He had loved in life. He also ministered among His “other sheep” (John 10:16) in ancient America. In the modern world, He and His Father appeared to the boy Joseph Smith, ushering in the long-promised “dispensation of the fulness of times” (Eph. 1:10).
Of the Living Christ, the Prophet Joseph wrote: “His eyes were as a flame of fire; the hair of his head was white like the pure snow; his countenance shone above the brightness of the sun; and his voice was as the sound of the rushing of great waters, even the voice of Jehovah, saying:
“I am the first and the last; I am he who liveth, I am he who was slain; I am your advocate with the Father” (D&C 110:3–4).
Of Him the Prophet also declared: “And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
“For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father—
“That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God” (D&C 76:22–24).
We declare in words of solemnity that His priesthood and His Church have been restored upon the earth—“built upon the foundation of … apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone” (Eph. 2:20).
We testify that He will someday return to earth. “And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together” (Isa. 40:5). He will rule as King of Kings and reign as Lord of Lords, and every knee shall bend and every tongue shall speak in worship before Him. Each of us will stand to be judged of Him according to our works and the desires of our hearts.
We bear testimony, as His duly ordained Apostles—that Jesus is the Living Christ, the immortal Son of God. He is the great King Immanuel, who stands today on the right hand of His Father. He is the light, the life, and the hope of the world. His way is the path that leads to happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come. God be thanked for the matchless gift of His divine Son.
You ended your quotation early, making the intent of it seem different than it was.
Adding the context back in....
“Many religions teach that human beings are children of God, but often their conception of Him precludes any kind of bond resembling a parent-child relationship. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught of a much simpler and more sensible relationship: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit … was to make himself visible … , you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with Him, as one man talks and communes with another.” We are of God’s family. We are His sons and daughters, created in the image of heavenly parents.”
The purpose the quote was used for was to establish God’s anthropomorphic nature, and our familial relation to him. The claim that God experienced a period of mortality was an opinion of Joseph Smith’s, but it has not been accepted as doctrine by the church.
If it someday was accepted as doctrine, the fact is that Christ was God before he was mortal, when he was mortal, and after he was resurrected and glorified. If Christ can progress from being a pre-mortal spirit, to a mortal, to a glorified and exalted immortal while being divine the whole time, surely the Father can as well. In fact, Joseph based his opinion on the verse in the Bible where Christ says he only does what he has seen the Father do.
So the LDS founder, Joseph Smith, is "no true Scotsman." Oh, what a tangled web we weave.
BTW, Grig, please don't post those lengthy URLs as you did at #54. It is because of that post that we now have to scroll left to right to read the page.
Instead of the way you did it, put the entire URL in the code section only and something like "Link" in the textual designation section.
Thanks.
Congratulations.
How telling that none of the people disagreeing with OSC are even trying to address the substance of his remarks.
He also ministered among His “other sheep” (John 10:16) in ancient America. In the modern world, He and His Father appeared to the boy Joseph Smith, ushering in the long-promised “dispensation of the fulness of times” (Eph. 1:10).
This is where you screw up.
Satan only needs a kernel of truth to deceive people and when you try to intertwine the writings of a fallen human, one who engaged in the occultic practice of "money digging", one who proclaimed seven prophecies, all of which failed, one who claimed that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are three separate Gods in direct opposition to Holy Scripture which states that the Trinity is one God in three persons, who claimed that the Son and the Holy Spriit are the literal offspring of the Heavenly Father and some celestial wife: the list of lies and blasphemies created by this man goes on and on and on.
Again, I will refer to the true Scipture, not one wholly corrupted and befouled by a sin-sick man seeking to be worshiped:
And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?'-- 18:22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (Deuteronomy 18: 21,22).
You can quote God's Scipture all you want, but you need to be careful not to throw in any of Joseph Smith's lies or your house-of-cards claims folds like a cheap camera and you are exposed for all to see.
Joseph Smith was a fraud who is responsible for millions of people believing lies and living their lives apart from a true relationship with God.. And that's all he was.
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