New York Catholics visit mosque, learn about Islam

CNS ^ | August 9, 2007 | Beth Griffin

[RabidBartender]

Wonder what they’ll come up with next week?

[Nihil Obstat]

wow, this thread epitomizes everything that is wrong with the Religion forum. For those who are interested, the town of Fatima is named after a princess who converted to Catholic Christianity from islam in the 1100's. The event of Mary's appearance at the town of Fatima in 1917 was witnessed by around 80,000 people. Some of those attending were atheists and communists who went there for the sole purpose of mocking Christianity. But after what they saw, even the atheistic communist newpaper reporters were stunned and had to admit that something astounding happened, just like the little ones said would happen.

Now as to the ridiculous notion that Our Lady of Fatima (actually Our Lady of the Rosary) is Mohammed's daughter, I end with the prayer Our Lady told the little children to pray:

"O my Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save us from the fires of hell. Lead all souls to heaven, especially those in most need of Thy Mercy."

[Pyro7480]

Good post. Though I should clarify that 80,000 people didn’t see Our Lady, but they did see the sun dance.

[MarkBsnr]

Amen.

[Campion]

You've been accused of worshipping a female, big whoop. In the protocols Jews are accused of murdering chilren. You're going to equate the two?

So you're saying that tolerating a little lie today doesn't lead to tolerating a big lie tomorrow?

Get a clue.

[Campion]

In the protocols Jews are accused of murdering chilren.

BTW, you're confusing the Protocols with the "Passover blood libel". The Protocols alleged a secret Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

Of course, Jack Chick says the same thing about the Vatican.

[ichabod1]

They forgot the part where the imam invited them to join him in saying a traditional muslim prayer for peace: “There is no god but allah and mohammed is his messenger.”

[nmh]

Do you happento have an FR link on this?

“The claim that Catholics worship Mohammad’s daughter, Fatima has been debunked and should not be repeated again on this forum. It would be considered as inflammatory as the false Jesuit Oath which is also not allowed here.”

[Alex Murphy]

However, Iranian TV is hardly considered a reliable part of the Magisterium of the Holy Catholic Church. Thus, it hardly substantiates the claim that CATHOLICS worship Fatima. Rather, it substantiates the claim that SOME MUSLIMS believe that Mary at Fatima was actually Fatima at Fatima.

Precisely the point I was trying to make. I was trying to substantiate that the belief had been articulated before (via a Catholic news source). I do not assert that the Catholic Church actually believes and teaches it (they don't).

[sitetest]

Dear Alex Murphy,

No one here has disputed that this or that group of Muslims may have odd views about Catholic beliefs and teachings. In that Islam arose as an Arian heresy out of Catholicism, Islamic distortions of Catholic teaching kinda go with the territory. My elder son often says this is one time that we really should have burned the heretics at the stake. Oh well, live and learn.

However, a poster here FALSELY libeled the Catholic Church, Catholic teaching, and Catholic believers by saying:

“Yes, Muslims and Catholics share the worship of Mary and the false prophetess, Fatima.”

That’s an ugly, bigoted, anti-Catholic, Jack Chick-like falsehood.

If you’d like to further defend it, have at it.

sitetest

[Alex Murphy]

Do you happento have an FR link on this?

You could start with the links I posted in my #151. While that discussion focused more on the fallacious or deceptive nature of a Zenit quote re Mary being Fatima, the thread does discuss - and debunk thoroughly, IMO - the claim itself (from an official Catholic view, of course).

[Alex Murphy]

If you’d like to further defend it, have at it.

Are there any other false, libelous statements that you'd like to make before we move on?

[sitetest]

Dear Alex Murphy,

I’m not saying anything false or libelous. Here’s what you said about the poster:

“It doesn’t prove the allegation, but it does prove that nmh isn’t making it up.”

Here is what we have been claiming the poster has been making up:

“Yes, Muslims and Catholics share the worship of Mary and the false prophetess, Fatima.”

This is the false charge. But you said, “nmh isn’t making it up.”

Sounds like a defense to me.

sitetest

[ichabod1]

I’m sorry, but I would have to question the intentions of any who demanded arabic in a Christian service in America. Aramaic would be great but... is there much arabic in it already? Is it licit to use a language other than the vernacular or latin? Or is arabic now the vernacular in parts of Detroit?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

So you're saying that tolerating a little lie today doesn't lead to tolerating a big lie tomorrow?

So ya'll "alledgedly" worship a woman? Whether true or false that shouldn't add anymore fuel to the fire. Get over the wa wa wa, poor me, I'm a victim stuff. I'm tired of ya'll crying wolf.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

BTW, you're confusing the Protocols with the "Passover blood libel". The Protocols alleged a secret Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

Yes I am. Thank you for bringing that mistake to my attention. Still doesn't detract from the "wa wa wa wa" point.

Of course, Jack Chick says the same thing about the Vatican.

Wa wa wa. Call Bill Donahue.

[Campion]

I'm tired of ya'll crying wolf.

Yeah, you'd rather we'd just quietly slink to the back of the bus and shut up.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Yeah, you'd rather we'd just quietly slink to the back of the bus and shut up.

"back of the bus"? lol. Just can't help yourself. wa wa wa wa.

[Campion]

Call Bill Donahue.

I'll send him a check. I wish there were 10,000 Bill Donahues.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I'll send him a check. I wish there were 10,000 Bill Donahues.

Of course there's no way I could know but he seems gay to me. :-)