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Traditional Latin Mass Seminar
Nunc | fr maximilian mary

Posted on 08/16/2007 12:29:10 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary

Ave Maria!

With Pope Benedict XVI's Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum there are priests who would like to celebrate the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite, also known as the Tridentine Latin Mass, and there are faithful who would like more opportunities to attend.

We are planning a seminar on the history, theology and spirituality of the Tridentine Mass according to the Roman Missal of 1962 under Blessed Pope John XXIII on August 24-25 (9am-12pm) with a practicum for priests and servers on August 30-31 (9am-12pm).

Any priests or boys/men interesting in learning to serve a Tridentine Mass are welcome to attend. The seminar is free and will be held at Mount St Francis Hermitage, 120 Edson Rd. (this is not a mailing address!!!), Endicott NY 13760-6439. We are located in the Syracuse Diocese (the Southern Tier), not far from the diocesan borders of Albany, Rochester and Scranton, PA. The seminar, hosted by the Franciscans of the Immaculate, will be run by Fr. Mark Fischer, FSSP (the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter).

As of September 14th, Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, the Franciscans of the Immaculate will offer the traditional Latin Mass according to the 1962 Missal every Friday evening at 7pm at Mount St. Francis Hermitage.

Ave Maria!


TOPICS: Catholic; Worship
KEYWORDS: latin; motuproprio; popebenedictxvi; tridentinemass

1 posted on 08/16/2007 12:29:12 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary
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To: Frank Sheed

Please let anyone in our area or who might be interested know.

Pax tecum.


2 posted on 08/16/2007 12:30:11 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary

If it’s successful there, how about putting on a travelling road show. Our new bishop is vewwy vewwy qwiet about this so far, so a Franciscan nudge in the ribs might go a long way.


3 posted on 08/16/2007 12:52:10 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr; fr maximilian mary
Our new bishop is vewwy vewwy qwiet about this so far, so a Franciscan nudge in the ribs might go a long way.

It was the Franciscans who spread the Roman-use of the Latin rite in the first place, before Pope St. Pius V made it universal after the Council of Trent. It would be completely appropriate for the various Franciscan communities to take part in spreading the "extraordinary use," though I would guess it's only going to be communities like Fr. maximilian mary's.

4 posted on 08/16/2007 1:03:38 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: fr maximilian mary

I think Fr. Fischer is a rising star within the FSSP.


5 posted on 08/16/2007 2:14:55 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: NYer
Ave Maria!

NYer, please let anyone in our area or who might be interested know. I know you're content with your Maronite Liturgy! Let us pray that this freedom to use the forma extraordinaria, viz. the Latin Missal of 1962, will enhance all the liturgies of the entire Roman Rite with reverence, awe and devotion at the one Holy Sacrifice of Jesus Christ made present anew on our altars.

Pax et bonum in Cordibus Iesu et Mariae

6 posted on 08/16/2007 6:36:38 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: Pyro7480; MarkBsnr; Oratam

Ave Maria!

The whole vocation of St. Francis, and thus the entire Franciscan Order, is this: “Francis, go and rebuild My Church which as you see is falling into ruin.” Those words were spoken to our Seraphic Father from the San Damiano Cross. Rebuilding the Church has to start with fidelity and love at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Certainly Our Lady would have it no other way! Pray for us (the Franciscans of the Immaculate) that we will be faithful to our mission in the Church.

V. Introíbo ad altáre Dei.
R. Ad Deum qui lætíficat juventútem meam.
V. Adjutórium nostrum in nómine Dómini.
R. Qui fecit cælum et terram.


7 posted on 08/16/2007 6:46:05 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Dear Father, it is very, very edifying for us to have such wonderful priests and friars as the Franciscans of the Immaculate doing apostolate via the web and very fine books. I recommend in the highest possible terms the FI site “Air Maria” http://airmaria.com/?cat=29
and its companion blog, “Mary Victrix” http://maryvictrix.wordpress.com/

You are doing so much good, and this good news of the commencement of offering the Holy Sacrifice of Mass according to the Johannine Missal is like icing on the cake.

But then, as I switched over to pick up the link for Mary Victrix, it got even better as I noticed the latest addition, a piece on Blessed Jose Luis Sanchez del Rio, who, of course, occupies a special place in the hearts of all of us in the Regnum Christi Movement. What a moving story his is, and you all are doing great work to hold up this 14 year old boy as an example to all of us of heroism and sacrifice in the cause of Christ the King.

May we be inspired to follow the example, and profit from the prayers, of Bl. Jose Luis, and may your work be truly blessed.

Viva Cristo Rey!


8 posted on 08/16/2007 7:29:08 PM PDT by Theophane (Christus Rex Noster, Adveniat Regnum Tuum!)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Te Deum laudamus!


9 posted on 08/16/2007 10:07:55 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: Theophane
Ave Maria!

I'm sure you saw Fr. Angelo's humorous, but refreshing piece on Summorum Pontificum called Exorcising the Spirits of Confusion: Summorum Pontificum and the End of Liturgical Freelancing. His first paragraph was a classic:

Well, the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum is out, and the “spirits (poltergeists) of Vatican II” are agitated. Watch out for flying liturgical pottery and levitating felt banners.

Ironically, the day before someone had "graciously" showed up at our friary to give us a chalice and paten made of pottery--right out of the 70's. We "graciously" accepted (to dispose of) it... It was unceremoniously buried on our friary grounds.

God bless...

10 posted on 08/17/2007 6:29:33 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Thank you father, and pax tecum et spiritu tuo.


11 posted on 08/17/2007 6:45:58 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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To: fr maximilian mary

I remember back when the new age hippies with the guitars were deemed to be more relevant and there seemed to be earthenware and glass vessels.

So I went to http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/04ws/ws040819.htm and found:

“The Church has received the Eucharist from Christ her Lord not as one gift — however precious — among so many others, but as the gift par excellence, for it is the gift of Himself, or His person in His sacred humanity, as well as the gift of His saving work. Nor does it remain confined to the past, since ‘all that Christ is — all the He did and suffered for all men — participates in the divine eternity, and so transcends all times” (No. 11). Truly, at the words of consecration pronounced by the priest at Mass, bread and wine become — are transubstantiated into — the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Savior.

Given this firm understanding of what the holy Eucharist is, we can better understand the Church’s regulations concerning sacred vessels, whether the chalice, paten or the ciborium. (These regulations would also govern monstrances.) The General Instruction of the Roman Missal (Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani) specified, “Sacred vessels are to be made from noble metal. If they are fabricated from metal which produces rust, or from a metal less noble than gold, then generally they shall be gold-plated on the inside.” (Note that the Conference of Bishops with permission of the Apostolic See may allow sacred vessels to be made of other solid materials as long as they are regarded as “noble.”)

This regulation represents a long-standing tradition that a chalice, paten or ciborium be made of gold, a gold-plated metal or silver, noting that the inside of the chalice or ciborium, or the top-side of the paten, be plated in gold. For instance, in the 10th century, the Corpus Iuris stipulated “that the chalice of the Lord, together with the paten, if not gold, must be entirely made of silver. If, however, anyone is so poor, let him at least have a chalice of pewter. The chalice must not be made of brass or copper, because it generates rust which causes nausea. And let no one presume to say Mass with a chalice of wood or glass.” Even earlier, St. Augustine (d. 430) and St. John Chrysostom (d. 407) also used vessels of gold and silver.

One must note that in the early Church, glass was used for sacred vessels, and glass was an expensive material at that time. However, glass came in to disuse because it was easily breakable and because gold or silver were considered most precious. Here is an important point: offering the best we can for the gift par excellence, Christ Himself.

Most recently, the instruction Redemptionis Sacramentum issued by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments affirmed the above points, highlighting the rationale: “ ... So that honor will be given to the Lord by their use, and all risk of diminishing the doctrine of the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species in the eyes of the faithful will be avoided” (No. 117). The idea here is that sacred vessels made of precious material evoke in the mind of the beholder the preciousness of the contents, while those made of common, ordinary material evoke the common, ordinariness of the contents. Likewise, vessels beautifully crafted and dedicated in their use for the Blessed Sacrament evoke a sacredness of usage, while common and profane vessels do not.

Specifically, the Congregation stated, “Reprobated, therefore, is any practice of using for the celebration of Mass common vessels, or others lacking in quality, or devoid of all artistic merit or which are mere containers, as also other vessels made from glass, earthenware, clay, or other materials that break easily” (No. 117). Whether one uses Libby glassware bought at the local Giant or Waterford crystal bought at Hecht’s, such glasses must not be used for the distribution of the Precious Blood.


12 posted on 08/17/2007 7:53:11 AM PDT by MarkBsnr (V. Angelus Domini nuntiavit Mariae. R. Et concepit de Spiritu Sancto.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Ave Maria!

Thanks for that post! It reminds me of a priest we know in Australia (not in our community, mind you) who, everytime an altar server brings up a glass or clay vessel when he is visiting a parish, he “accidently” drops it. That’s one way of helping other priests conform to the norms!


13 posted on 08/17/2007 11:56:53 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Congratulations and “thank you”, I guess, for saying the Traditional Mass. But what do the rubrics say about Mass celebrated in the evening? I really don’t know, nor do I remember, but I heard that Mass wasn’t supposed to be said after certain hours, except for maybe at midnight or some such thing.
Clue me in.


14 posted on 08/17/2007 5:02:18 PM PDT by sandhills
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To: sandhills

Maybe I’ll find out at the seminar! I’m one of the priests in training. God bless...


15 posted on 08/18/2007 8:21:51 AM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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To: fr maximilian mary

Father, how did the seminar go? Will you be the celebrant on Friday?


16 posted on 09/11/2007 4:14:42 PM PDT by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Ave Maria!

Sorry for the delay. The seminar went great. Fr. Raphael will be the celebrant on Friday Sept. 14th (I am leading a retreat that weekend). But, God-willing, I will celebrate the Tridentine Mass the following Friday, Sept. 21st. (I hope to celebrate privately a few times before then). God bless...


17 posted on 09/12/2007 6:34:17 PM PDT by fr maximilian mary ("Imitate Jesus, love Mary as your Mother." Mother Teresa of Calcutta)
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