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To: biscuit jane

he:

“These are sheep without a shepherd. There’s nobody here that can bring this together.” If an issue like abortion cannot bring the community together, in this way, and if civil disobedience of this sort . . . “

ME:

Uh, ‘scuse me I/WE do have a Shepard — his name is Jesus Christ.

And yes we are united in our stance on abortion.

You are correct, no earthly voice/personality/pastor speaks for the Christian community. We strive toward the goal, sometimes falling short, but we press on. We don’t need or want a figure head/central leader other than Christ himself.

In fact I’d say better to set the problems of the Catholic church in order before you try turning attention to the personal issues you have with the greater CHristian community.


9 posted on 08/30/2007 3:08:54 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: biscuit jane
In fact I’d say better to set the problems of the Catholic church in order before you try turning attention to the personal issues you have with the greater CHristian community.

You don't understand. They don't believe in a greater Christian community, unless it submits to their perceived authority.

15 posted on 08/30/2007 3:24:05 PM PDT by wmfights (LUKE 9:49-50 , MARK 9:38-41)
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To: biscuit jane
better to set the problems of the Catholic church in order before you try turning attention to the personal issues you have with the greater CHristian community.

On this I agree. However, one of the internal problems of Catholics in the West has been not knowing the treasure they have in their Church:

I honestly didn't like most of the Catholics I've met.

16 posted on 08/30/2007 3:25:44 PM PDT by annalex
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To: biscuit jane

quote:

“...ever thought that the rock referred to Peter’s faith. It’s clearly a reference to Peter.” And I said, “I’ve never heard that before!” Then I went over to R.T. France, and I read that, and I said, “is he quoting Carson?” He said virtually the same thing! And I was stunned. And I began to make some phone calls, and I found out that in New Testament scholarship, this is becoming the consensus position! Peter is the rock, not Peter’s confession. It’s straightforward.”

Is that the fulcrum that Mr. based his Catholic conversion on ?

Yes it could be Peter (also could be reference to Christ)
and if so, how does that translate into
the Catholic faith being the only faith ,
and the Vatican II church of today ??

And if the VII modern Catholic church is the one true church
then what about the previous incarnations of the Catholic church ?? (First Vatican council and the Council of Trent).

Were those Catholic churches wrong ??

Where do I write Mr. to ask him these questions ??


17 posted on 08/30/2007 3:25:48 PM PDT by biscuit jane
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To: biscuit jane

I get the impression this fella never had a relationship with Jesus Christ...He appears to be hunting for Him...He knows ABOUT Jesus but he doesn’t know Jesus...

One can see the conversation and conviction is all about ‘church’, not Jesus...


23 posted on 08/30/2007 3:34:06 PM PDT by Iscool (OK, I'm Back...Now what were your other two wishes???)
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To: biscuit jane

**no earthly voice/personality/pastor speaks for the Christian community. **

Hmmm.

You don’t believe the Gospels when Christ consecrated the Apostles and then the 72, telling them to go forth and spread the good news, baptizing them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit?? Were not these apostles and 72 men that wnet out two by two human beings? Just like Christ?

Were not they the voice for the Early Church, the Catholic Church?

May I direct you back to your Bible, please.

Or do you Protestants only read St. Paul and not the Gospels?

Guess I am puzzled.


32 posted on 08/30/2007 4:55:25 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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