"Woe betide you!" < WHACK! >
Posted on 09/06/2007 3:27:02 PM PDT by annalex
You left the Church because of a German headline? Did the headline say “Aus Seiner Gnade Allein”?
Tut Tut...:)
"Woe betide you!" < WHACK! >
That is like me telling you that I am the world's expert on a particular subject. I can claim all kinds of things, but that doesn't make it true. The Catholic Church can claim all kinds of things...doesn't make it true.
“They are only excluded by their own choice. There is only one church, it is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic. Non-Catholic Christians aren’t considered to have an inferior faith but they join themselves to organizations which cannot be Church because there is only one, established by Christ and protected by the Holy Spirit and it will prevail until the end of time.”
Nice little whitewash there. There is only one church, made up of all the believers of Christ, there are however denominations that make things up as they go along.
I rest my case! Hey, LiteKeeper! Go to 43 and tell it to her face!
Then run really fast!
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that we think we have MORE of the truth? We don't have the WHOLE truth, that's fer shur. And we don't think the others have NO truth. So it has NOT proclaimed itself so baldly as the repository of truth. Blitzing out nuance obscures the point, I think.
Yeah, even in my formulation there is a self-referential, self-validating quality to the claim, but let's start by getting the declaration right. Rip us up for what we DO say, not for what we don't, okay?
Sure doesn't agree with the attitude of the bible.
Luke11:27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!” 28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
What is the "whitewash" , exactly?
There is only one church, made up of all the believers of Christ, there are however denominations that make things up as they go along.
Well, yes, that's the other view, and just as our asserting our view doesn't make it so, so your contradicting it doesn't make it NOT so.
I have been a pastor/teacher for 30 years. I have been confronted by many people with many ideas about the Bible and the Church. I would be more than happy to discuss the issue with her.
56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. 60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.
61 Many therefore of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? 62 But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you?
And some walked away.
ambiguous reference intentional. ;-)
As for me (and I was ordained 30 years ago too, but I quit to become RC) I see someone like that, I just cower. YOu can't even shoot 'em! It's just not FAIR!
We discussed that before. In that passage of Luke 11 the veneration of Mary is approved and also veneration of other saints is approved on the same principle on which we venerate Our Lady: hearing and keeping the Word.
Which Church, do you think, St. Paul had in mind in 1 Tim 3:15?
Where is that prepostorousness in the Bible?
10 ... I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no schisms among you; but that you be perfect in the same mind, and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been signified unto me, my brethren, of you, by them that are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith: I indeed am of Paul; and I am of Apollo; and I am of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided?(1 Cor 1)
It does quite the opposite.
Learn to read.
Good idea...for you.
Heck, she BORE the Word of God! And she kept Him, in her womb and then as a baby. And that followed her eharing the word as delivered by Gabriel.
In other news, I would respectfully call your attention to this post in which I compare heaven to beer.
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