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Posted on 12/31/2007 8:21:48 PM PST by Salvation
HE INCREASES AND SHE DECREASES By MARK P. SHEA
***” Through exhaustive biblical research, this work presents a new paradigm about exactly what the Bible teaches, and reveals incredible truths buried under centuries of alteration of the very foundations of the true church Jesus inspired.”
Sounds like any Protestant group doesn’t it? ( ;***
Sadly, it does. Anyone with a new slant on things can hang a shingle out and fleece the rubes. Rick Warren is a wonderful example of how one can speak mildly and still fill one’s wallet.
I forget what well known researcher it was in the UFO field . . . but he’d studied this issue quite extensively as well as the current Pope’s background etc.
He’s convinced that the current Pope himself personally KNOWS that the Fatima stuff is bogus stuff—UFO deception to the nth degree . . . but, that he cannot, of course let on that there’s any chink in the Maryolatry stuff.
Interesting assertions, anyway. I think he was on C2C a month or 3 ago.
He was pretty convincing to me. So many things are congruent with that phenomena and not congruent with the authentic UNrubberized Bible.
here you go, blessed virgin mary sightings are UFOs.
http://www.mt.net/~watcher/october13maryfatima.html
the RC magicsterical politicians have been making stuff up for MANY centuries.
It’s not “making stuff up” when you are authorized by Jesus Christ, Himself.
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ACTUALLY, the whole notion that Jesus The Christ
authorized anything like the RC edifice or any part thereof
is MADE-UP OUT OF WHOLE CLOTH ITSELF—ludicrous, utter hogwash, UnBiblical etc.
Besides, the edifice didn’t exist until 300/400 AD, anyway.
The Rubber history book strikes again.
***I forget what well known researcher it was in the UFO field . . . but he’d studied this issue quite extensively as well as the current Pope’s background etc.
He’s convinced that the current Pope himself personally KNOWS that the Fatima stuff is bogus stuff—UFO deception to the nth degree . . . but, that he cannot, of course let on that there’s any chink in the Maryolatry stuff.
Interesting assertions, anyway. I think he was on C2C a month or 3 ago.
He was pretty convincing to me. So many things are congruent with that phenomena and not congruent with the authentic UNrubberized Bible.***
You don’t know the researcher.
But he’s studied the issue extensively. As well as the current Pope’s background. He’s convinced that the Pope personally knows about the Fatima deception.
And he was on Coast to Coast a month or 3 ago.
And that link was precious, too, just precious.
Which side of the couch did you say that you inhabit?
I believe with all my heart that God spoke the Word and preserved the Word, just as He says He did. Now, as to the traditions of men and as to the words of men,
All flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of the grass. The grass withers and the flower falls away. (1 Peter 1:24)
The bible however,
The Scripture cannot be broken. (John 10:35)
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.
(2 Timothy 3:16)
For prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit
(2 Peter 1:21)
The things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven (1 Peter 1:12)
Sorry, we follow Jesus the Christ.
We do not follow UFOlogists or those who make up their own theologies. We do not take the word of the OT over the New, neither do we take the word of men over Jesus.
Space cadets and deceivers of men may post as they wish in any fashion that they choose. Jesus left one message, not many. Christians know where it is; they also know where it isn’t.
You will not experience salvation by following the space ships.
Quite literally, She is Wisdom, because the Greek word Sophia translates into Wisdom. More than that, She is the Wisdom of Deity. She has been revered as the Wise Bride of Solomon by Jews, as the Queen of Wisdom and War (Athena) by Greeks, and as the Holy Spirit of Wisdom by Christians. She is known as Chokmah (pronounced HOK-mah with the H being said like -ch in the name Bach) in Hebrew, and Sapientia in Latin. But just who is Sophia?
Sophia is found throughout the wisdom books of the Bible. There are many references to Her in the book of Proverbs, and in the apocryphal books of Sirach and the Wisdom of Solomon (accepted by Catholics and Orthodox, found in the Greek Septuagint of the early Church). She is Wisdom Incarnate, the Goddess of all those who are wise.
Is it any wonder that She is constantly associated with wise King Solomon? 1 Kings 4:29-31 tells us that God gave wisdom to Solomon, and that he became wiser than all the kings of the East and all the wise people of Egypt. Wisdom 8:2, 16, 18 tells us that Solomon was seen as married to Sophia. One of the many layers of symbolism attributed to the Song of Songs (also known as Song of Solomon or Canticle of Canticles) is that it speaks of Solomon's marriage to Holy Sophia. Wisdom 9:8-11 even tells us that Sophia instructed Solomon in building the Temple!
The Jews revered Sophia. King Solomon even put Her right in the Temple, in the form of the Goddess Asherah. However, after the "reforms" of King Josiah, there was a threat that the veneration of Sophia would come to a halt - there was even more of a threat when patriarchal Christianity took over the world.
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Have I used the word "you" this time, to get anyone upset?
I see. I did not know that. I apologize for my ignorance on that if I offended anyone. Is there a written account of this that they take this from?
Agreed. Thank you.
You were asked the question "Would you say that Belshazzar's abuse of items made for worship as secular implements for feating and drinking was a sign of that pride in that he failed to show proper respect for those items"
You denied the point with the windy reply:
No. If you have studied Daniel, Belshazzar relied upon magicians and false gods. The Jews who were part of the administration under his father Nebuchadnezzar were out, a new crowd had taken their place who hated the Jews and had contempt for God. Daniel had been pushed aside for other lessor men. It was only when Belshazzar saw the hand writing on the wall did he call for Daniel, who they happened to remember. Daniel never cowtow to Belshazzar and told him flat out he could keep his gold but he would be happy to read the message from God. By that time even though Belshazzar believed what Daniel had stated, he never was granted repentance like his father Nebuchadnezzar.Which of course has nothing to do with the question of whether Belshazzar using the implements from the temple to party with was an indicator of his pride, as was Dawg's original contention.
Now, you're saying 5:23 "But hast lifted up thyself against the Lord of heaven; and they have brought the vessels of his house before thee, and thou, and thy lords, thy wives, and thy concubines, have drunk wine in them," doesn't count.
Why? Because I didn't quote 5:22 "And you his son, O Belshazzar, have not humbled your heart, though you knew all this" because "Belshazzar's problem was a matter of pride as is normally the case."
Talk about matters of pride...
This is indeed the passage, but the citing the desired goal has absolutely nothing to do with following, or not following, the steps of the procedure.
...but a fact is that sometimes these matters are not black and white and can certainly be more complicated than they might appear on the surface.
Which is why former Protestants like me maintain Sola Scriptura is untenable.
Perhaps one person's view of what happened is the polar opposite of the other one's.
The person's POV is not the issue: whether or not they will repent, is.
but this reporting is in order to bring the whole congregation to lovingly pursue his reconciliation, paralleling the lost sheep parable, and again, not as judgment and not as punishment.
Does "let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican" sound like "lovingly pursue reconciliation" to you?
Nope. I'm living proof. RC delivers on the promises of the Bible, and others do not.
What does this have to do with the basic topic?
Much more than variations on the DaVinci code, but you'll have to read the thread to get the sense of it.
Sorry, but I must use the word "you" in this case.
Can you return to the original topic of this thread?
I find this aspect of religion rather facinating.
Am I Catholic? Nope, but I have learned from so many people, that I keep an open mind about this subject.
Which “aspect” are you referring to?
In every historical civilization on Earth, there has always been some form of the female aspect of God that was recognized.
Usually hidden, but it has always been there.
Why?
lol. Wisdom is a concept, justlike beauty, truth and kindness. Though personified as a goddess, it is just a concept.
Sophia (wisdom) my be only a concept, but why?
That is NOT the basic topic of the thread. Nevertheless, I should think the dichotomy rather obvious in religions that are not "revealed."
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