Before you convert to Roman Catholicism... (Top Ten List)

http://www.reformationtheology.com/2007/08/before_you_convert_to_roman_ca.php ^ | 7 Aug 2007 | James White

[Petronski]

These are, I believe, the bitter results of self-denial of the Holy Sacraments.

[papertyger]

These are, I believe, the bitter results of self-denial of the Holy Sacraments.

I am so inclined to agree.

It's like they're trying to fill a spiritual hole with "righteous indignation" instead of acknowledging their deficit/aridity.

[r9etb]

There are no works involved in salvation-period!

If you're right, then being or not being a member of a Catholic Church has no bearing on a person's salvation. And in that case you're stuck with a pointless argument.

Your sustained rant about Catholics is utterly misplaced, and laughably irrational.

I suggest that you focus more on addressing the serious logical difficulties of your statements.

[r9etb]

Don't worry about my 'position', worry about what the word of God says, that is what you are going to be judged by.

And again ... "worrying" to the point of changing my ways would be "salvation by works," would it not? Again, you suffer from serious logical problems! LOL!

[OLD REGGIE]

Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. -- 2 Thessalonians 2:14

Is DR your Bible? Please note the intro to 2 Thessalonian 2:

The day of the Lord is not to come till the man of sin be revealed. The apostle's traditions are to be observed.

The verse "have learned" is clearly past tense.

The DR intro makes it clear it is the APOSTLES traditions which are to be observed.

Hunt around and you will find documents which claim "revealed" tradition covers the invention of traditions up to this very day. Of course it will not be Scriptural but, so what?

Remember, there is no Catholic teaching which cannot be denied, modified, or re-interpreted as required.

[Petronski]

The Motto of "The Game:" Remember, there is no Catholic teaching which cannot be denied, modified, or re-interpreted as required.

[Petronski]

The verse "have learned" is clearly past tense.

Is Thessalonians intended to address us all, or merely those Thessalonians who actually learned of it?

Your effort to use "have learned" as a time lock fails on its face.

[OLD REGGIE]

You posted two directly contrary verbs, castigated me for poor reading skills and now call me juvenile?

This, coming from one who has no understanding whatsoever of the rules of grammar, is amusing. Your tactic is to pretend your "mistakes" never happened and simply continue with your one-line inanities.

You could be called a pedant but that implies some level of knowledge.

I've got it! JWP (Juvenile Wannabe Pedant). That fits the bill.

[Petronski]

Your tactic is to pretend your "mistakes" never happened and simply continue with your one-line inanities.

I would explain my mistakes further, but why should I?

As you said to me the other day, in a pique of Christian charity, "Understand this, I don't want, nor will ever accept, one of your phony apologies."

[OLD REGGIE]

(fortheDeclaration) "There are no works involved in salvation-period!"

Another fresh expression of the angrily tyrannical nature of Calvinism.

Luke 23:43
Apparently fortheDeclaration, and millions of others, are not aware of the "works" Jesus imposed on the thief on the cross. Perhaps you will enlighten us.

[Petronski]

I don’t know where you got the verb “imposed,” but that aside, I suspect Christ was wise enough to understand that a man hanging on a cross, dying, was not really in a position to do any more than have the conversation with Christ we see in the Gospel.

[OLD REGGIE]

The Motto of "The Game:" Remember, there is no Catholic teaching which cannot be denied, modified, or re-interpreted as required.

The motto of Petronski: Refuse to respond to relevant posts.

Why don't you address the points made in #805?

[sitetest]

Dear OLD REGGIE,

I don't know about “imposed,” but St. Dismas the good thief certainly performed at least one spiritual work of mercy when he admonished the other thief on the cross. As well, he defended the innocent, another good work.

sitetest

[Petronski]

Perhaps you missed 807.

[OLD REGGIE]

Is Thessalonians intended to address us all, or merely those Thessalonians who actually learned of it?

You don't intend this to be accepted as a serious question do you? I can't believe anyone could be so ignorant.

If Thessalonians, or any of Paul's letters, was intended to address only a particular group at a particular time and had no further relevance they would not be part of Scripture. Scripture, all Scripture, is intended for all.

Your effort to use "have learned" as a time lock fails on its face.

One word comes to mind. STUPID!

[OLD REGGIE]

I would explain my mistakes further, but why should I?

Very young children seldom do. With maturity comes the willingness to admit error.

[Petronski]

The verse quoted implores us all, as brethren, to “stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.”

We are warned to remember the traditions which we have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

[OLD REGGIE]

I don’t know where you got the verb “imposed,” but that aside, I suspect Christ was wise enough to understand that a man hanging on a cross, dying, was not really in a position to do any more than have the conversation with Christ we see in the Gospel.

The lesson you missed: WORKS WERE NOT NECESSARY. FAITH ALONE WAS SUFFICIENT

[Petronski]

I am quite willing to admit error to, and ask forgiveness of, men and women of good will whom I have wronged.

Your posts to me are so abusive, and your promise to never accept one of my apologies (including it’s stated assumption that my apologies are false), suggest to me that you are not here of good will, and wish to engage in a game of gotcha, using mistakes of others as a bludgeon in subsequent discussions, presumably ad infinitum.

[Petronski]

BIG FONTS WILL NOT SERVE TO PERSUADE ME OF YOUR ERRORS. NOR WILL PLAYSKOOL COLORS.