Posted on 04/12/2008 7:19:29 AM PDT by DouglasKC
Presumably...how can you do that? It doesn't say either way in Scripture. Now, I know how I can say the righteous are alive, since I have the support of Sacred Tradition. If you are solely looking within written words of the Bible, you cannot presume anything. It is either there or it isn't.
To believe otherwise is to throw out the biblical teaching that the we are not communicate with the dead.
And the word "dead" is where we differ. Righteous life leads to eternal life, not death. That was the promise. And how can Elijah be dead if he was taken away on a Chariot of Fire?
Even worse still, in many cases, it’s idolatry of an edited, redacted Bible.
Holograms?
Today Protestantism is either a banal imitation of Catholicism or a cruel burlesque upon it. It is almost too incoherent to be discussed seriously. I could invent new forms of it almost ad infinitum, as a mathematician invents new algebras…[the result is that] bibliolatry [worship of the Bible] turns upon and devours itself. Any half-wit, searching Holy Writ, is free to found a sect of his own - and if not upon the actual text, then upon the interpolations, mistranslations and typographical errors. Thousands of such half-wits, as everyone knows, have made use of that franchise, and the result is chaos.
Is there something wrong worshiping Elohim on the day He commanded us to worship Him ?
Rejection of the Trinity is a fundamental heresy.
69 posted on April 12, 2008 9:51:06 AM MDT by Petronski
Mark 12:29Did not Yah'shua say there is only one G-d ?
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
And profit. Huge profit.
Yes. It is not I who say there is more than one God.
If a ancient Roman with no knowledge of Roman Catholicism were to be time-transported say to modern Rome (or Mark Twain's Rome) or lets just say you had a Buddhist from a remote part of India, similarly ignorant of the Church of Rome, brought to the city of Rome, can you imagine them having any other reaction than asking just who this "goddess Maria" is, with so many "temples" to her all over?
My point is: Any objective observer, familiar with goddess worship, will tend to think veneration of Mary is just that.
If non-adherents to your form of Christianity, fellow Christians even, are asking the same questions, again and again, honestly, I would look at my religion and wonder if indeed maybe there were something wrong.
Ever since it was physically safe (where you wouldn't automatically be literally burned at the stake), and actually before it was safe... to ask the question "why do Roman Catholics worship Mary?" people have been asking it. If just asserting that "veneration isn't worship" isn't enough (while thinking "oh, those prots are soooooo ignorant..."), maybe, just maybe....you should re-examine your tradition?
You said: Is there something wrong worshiping Elohim on the day He commanded us to worship Him ?
The idolatry of BIBLIOLATRY would definitely lead you to that conclusion.
I have to say that at least those who are SDA and other Sabbath-keeping protties are consistent. All BIBLIOLATRY idolators should worship on Saturday. Those who worship on Sunday are violating their belief in Sola Scriptura.
If I ever come across consistent arguments that the line between veneration of Mary and worship is blurred by Catholic teaching, I might ask some questions too.
False.
Such and observation would not be objective.
Now if you want to go into anti-semitism and other failings of people who have had major influences in the past, there is a whole string of Popes and Cardinals of which you cannot be too proud. Your defense of Catholicism is admirable but your methods are not. As I see it, yours is the only personal attack on this thread, so back off.
A good question that will take a bit of research. Off the top of my head I'm thinking of the miracle of the fishes and loaves. It's never referred to as a "vision" (horama), but clearly it was supernatural and happened in reality. I'll research possibly tonight or tomorrow, but I've got to be leaving for a few hours very soon.
‘My point is: Any objective observer, familiar with goddess worship, will tend to think veneration of Mary is just that. ‘
I am familiar with all different sorts of religions and I do not think that the Catholic veneration of Mary even comes remotely close to goddess worship.
Understandable and good questions that I'll respond to later on today or tomorrow....
I have to say that at least those who are SDA and other Sabbath-keeping protties are consistent. All BIBLIOLATRY idolators should worship on Saturday. Those who worship on Sunday are violating their belief in Sola Scriptura.
Those who disregard Shabbat and claim that the Pagan Sun Day is theThose who keep holy the L-rd's Day ( Shabbat ) follow His Holy Word.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua
L-rd's, have been misguided by the Pagans lead by Constantine the Pontiff.
"Holy Mary, Mother of God..."
I believe only the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are holy, not Mary. I also don't believe Mary was God's mother. She was the vessel through which God became manifest on Earth. That's my criticism, and it's based on the above quote, which I believe to be integral to the Catholic religion. Continue calling be a bigot and play the victim, though, if it makes you feel like you should be immune from criticism and helps you feel better.
Most of what is in this article are things that I have seen, and form many of my own opinions and observations about Catholics and Mary.
I don't get it. Probably never will. I don't understand the inordinate amount of attention given to someone who is mentioned only a half dozen or so times in the gospels and nowhere else. Jesus shows no special attention to Mary over anyone else. In fact, in the synoptics, when Mary shows up with his brothers because they think Jesus' has gone off the deep end, and people tell Jesus his brothers and his mother are outside, Jesus doesn't rush out to her or show her any special deference, he says:
(NIV) Matthew 12:48 He replied to him, "Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?" 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."
He shows no special regard for his mother over anyone else or that she has shown up.
So, anyway, while I love much about my Catholic brothers and sisters, I unfortunately have to conclude that much of what this article says is true, in my view, and certainly the ordered list at the top, of the order of devotion in the church seems to fit with what I've observed, too.
I often wonder, why can't we all just get back to Jesus and give him the attention and focus that he is deserving of from every Christian? I mean, I'm sure he'd be happy that people love his mother, but she's not worthy of anymore attention or devotion than any other Biblical figure. Just focus on the real thing and stop with all the extraneous is my thought.
No. Those who worship on Saturday reject the authority to loose and bind that Jesus Christ gave to Peter and the Apostles. They are guilty of BIBLIOLATRY by rejecting Jesus’ authority and instead worship a book based on their own magisterial interpretations.
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