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Is Mary Worthy of Worship?
Forerunner ^ | June 2003 | David Grabbe

Posted on 04/12/2008 7:19:29 AM PDT by DouglasKC

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To: papertyger
Gee, all I did was post a thread about "good ni**ers," and I get called a bigot!

It's unfair to try to equate race and religion that way. People are born with a race that they have no say in determining. On the other hand, people choose which religion they will practice, and it's reasonable to criticize the choices people make.

41 posted on 04/12/2008 8:23:09 AM PDT by mngran2
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To: DouglasKC

Well, then I can see how you think poorly of us. But, didn’t the righteous souls rise up when the veil was torn? Weren’t Elijah and Moses present with Jesus at the Transfiguration? Were they dead, or were the virtuous alive in Christ?


42 posted on 04/12/2008 8:25:18 AM PDT by thefrankbaum
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To: untwist
To what purpose is the spreading of this divisive anti-catholic polemic?

First of all it's not divisive and it's not anti-catholic. It's an article questioning whether Mary should be worshipped or not. It's answer depends on how what is meant by "worship". It's purpose is to edify and educate the saints of God.

43 posted on 04/12/2008 8:27:14 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

That sounds like a no.


44 posted on 04/12/2008 8:28:00 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: papertyger
I believe that the bible teaches that the father and son compose the Godhead and that the Holy Spirit is the presence of the father and son on earth and in their people.
Heresy.

If you believe the bible is heretical than so be it.

45 posted on 04/12/2008 8:28:17 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: thefrankbaum
Using secular English dictionaries is not a good way to look at Catholic teachings and worship practices.

But it is an excellent way to play The Game.

46 posted on 04/12/2008 8:29:01 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski
That sounds like a no.

Since you defined the term and have a better picture of what you meant than obviously whatever conclusion you come up with is correct.

47 posted on 04/12/2008 8:31:22 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

That sounds like another “no.”


48 posted on 04/12/2008 8:32:00 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: papertyger
I'm astounded that I can post an article that states an opinion contrary to Catholic doctrine, run the thread in a respectful manner and almost right away be labeled a "Catholic hater".
Gee, all I did was post a thread about "good ni**ers," and I get called a bigot!

Maybe you should stop posting threads about "good ni**ers". I did no such thing.

49 posted on 04/12/2008 8:33:08 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

That sounds like another “no.”


50 posted on 04/12/2008 8:34:05 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: DouglasKC
I'm astounded that I can post an article that states an opinion contrary to Catholic doctrine...

Actually, it states an opinion contrary to a contrived, straw-version of Catholic doctrine.

51 posted on 04/12/2008 8:34:06 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: Petronski
That sounds like another “no.”

Define your term and I'll be crystal clear.

52 posted on 04/12/2008 8:34:08 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

The basis of your argument is specious as there is no catholic doctrine or practice that includes “worship” or “veneration” of Mary as part of our faith. Then the very odd argument using the word “blessed” as a description of Mary the mother of Jesus in comparison to an obscure Old Testament woman who commits a violent act, is an overly ambitious desire to use your quotes to spread disunity and hate.

You really are spreading hate and disunity with this garbage you’re pushing. Judging from most of the posts, your attempts have failed.


53 posted on 04/12/2008 8:36:53 AM PDT by untwist
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To: DouglasKC
I believe, based on scripture...

All of it?

Or just 66 books of it?

54 posted on 04/12/2008 8:37:03 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: mngran2
It's unfair to try to equate race and religion that way. People are born with a race that they have no say in determining. On the other hand, people choose which religion they will practice, and it's reasonable to criticize the choices people make.

No, it's not. Bias that refuses to acknowledge inappropriate and unjustifiable presumptions is bigotry by definition.

For example: We say we don't worship Mary. Y'all refuse to accept that. What if we were Moslems and refused to accept that you worship one God, and insist you worship three gods.

Same thing.

Or weren't you aware "bigotry" encompasses MORE than "racism?"

55 posted on 04/12/2008 8:38:24 AM PDT by papertyger (The left fosters lawlessness & bad culture by denying the legitimacy of the law and Western culture.)
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To: joseph20
Catholics do not worship Mary.

THE DUCK TEST: If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, walks like a duck, smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, then... it's A DUCK!

56 posted on 04/12/2008 8:40:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: No Truce With Kings

Hey, I did pretty good, considering I was spelunking deep into old and faint memories of useless trivia.


57 posted on 04/12/2008 8:40:41 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: thefrankbaum
Well, then I can see how you think poorly of us.

I don't think poorly of you.

But, didn’t the righteous souls rise up when the veil was torn?

No, their bodies came out of the graves:

Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Presumably they died again, and went back to the grave.

Weren’t Elijah and Moses present with Jesus at the Transfiguration? Were they dead, or were the virtuous alive in Christ?

It was a vision of the future Christ, when he was glorified and was in the kingdom with Elijah and Moses.

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elijah talking with him.
Mat 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

If you look at the greek word translated "vision" it always refers to a supernatural vision, either a waking vision or a dream vision. It didn't happen in our reality, but it can be a prophetic vision.

To believe otherwise is to throw out the biblical teaching that the we are not communicate with the dead.

58 posted on 04/12/2008 8:41:21 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
I'll be crystal clear.

I believe you have done so.

59 posted on 04/12/2008 8:42:34 AM PDT by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: untwist
You really are spreading hate and disunity with this garbage you’re pushing. Judging from most of the posts, your attempts have failed.

Your words are harsher than any I've used.

60 posted on 04/12/2008 8:42:50 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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