Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer
Yep...I don’t have the devotion to the Rosary that I should, but I carry one in case of emergency.
Of course, re polls, we all know how easy it is for the pollster to manipulate them, and how often none of the choice of answers provided seems to fit. And mostly a "yeah, I guess so, but I don't know (or care) much" has the same weight as "Yes, I would fight to the death for it!"
Per First Corinthians, Chapter 11.
You rely on the same Zogby methodolgy that has been repeatedly shown to be faulty in the past for your argument and reject the Scriptural foundation in the writing of the Pope. You are a fool and certainly no Catholic.
TraditionalistMommy,
You say the majority of Catholics approve of women ordination and for that reason the Church should allow it (never mind that if the poll results are true, that’s just American Catholics (there are many more Catholics in the world than that)). The Majority of American “Catholics” also approve of Abortion, Homosexuality, and Contraception, should the Church endorse that too? The Majority of American “Catholics” also don’t believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, should the Church change her teaching?
Your argument is faulty and essentially argues for Teachings by Vote. Which means the Teachings change with the Times, as a result, the Church ceases to be timeless.
Hi, As a child, I thought it was terribly unfair that the boys got to go beyond the altar rail and us girls were denied that.
When I gave birth to my first child, I cried for my husband, as he would never know or experience the joy and beauty I had in sharing in creation with Our Lord.
We are mothers. They are fathers!
We all have our places and all are equal, only different.
Please don’t try and make the sexes the same. We aren’t
Dogma cannot change, e.g. the Trinity.
Doctrine can change, e.g. the Doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.
Teachings are meant to pass along the dogma and doctrine, they may change to best present to the current generation.
Laws exist to protect the dogma and doctrine.
This is the first thread she’s ever posted on, she’s probably a DU sleeper.
You are right, I was wrong! Thanks for setting me straight!
You’re confusing roles when you talk about women being “involved” in mass. Women have always been “involved” in the Church. Of 15 ancient saints around the altar at the National basilica, 12 are women. Women have directed popes! What’s at fault with most of the most vocal pursuers of female ordination (recognizing that they are not typical) is the association of the priesthood with power.
The priest offers his life as a sacrifice for his flock. H stands in the place of Christ at the altar. This is the essence of masculinity, since Man cannot bear life: to sacrifice oneself to protect life.
It reaches to the deepest core of the male psyche — of what it means to be a man — that a woman, capable of creating life, should not be sacrificed for a man. Doing so would distort the divine sacrifice of Christ into human sacrifice.
Even the symbolism of celibacy is intrinsically destroyed. Whereas the man gives up descendents; among women it would bear the hallmarks of sacrificing virgins, commonly associated with sex cults, etc.
It does us no good to attack her personally.
Interesting. The two agendas really are birds of a feather if you look below the surface. The problem is, we live in a society that only cares about appearances. It APPEARS that there’s a shortage of priests, THEREFORE, we need to improve the appearance by ordaining in greater numbers with womenpriests.
What’s most amazing is that these groups think that they can overturn an infallibly decided matter by just screaming about it louder and louder.
No personal attacks ARE the Christian way.
No personal attacks ARE the Christian way.
Why not? It works with the gov't! ;-)
Churches with female clergy become Women’s churches. The men mostly opt out because religion becomes something the wife takes care of. That is not the reasoning of the Church but is a practical reason to avoid female clergy.Women are in charge of most of the other “ministries” in many Catholic Churches and men participate very little. Those ministries have become “women’s work.”
I truly hope that you will focus your efforts on other true traditionalist courses of action and not spend another moment considering womens ordination. Also please pray for me that I am able to live as piously as I can.
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