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What old-guard feminists get wrong about Catholics
Dallas News ^ | April 27, 2008 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer

In the run-up to Pope Benedict XVI's visit to the United States, there was a tremendous display of unseriousness at the National Press Club, followed by a sacrilege at a nearby Washington, D.C., church.

A misguided group called the Women's Ordination Conference held a protest – a press conference and an all-woman "Mass" at a local Methodist church. The group, as the name suggests, wants to see "the ordination of women as priests, deacons and bishops." Sadly, the group doesn't understand women or the Catholic Church.

In a prepared statement, WOC executive director Aisha Taylor declared:

"The failure to ordain women is a blatant manifestation of sexism in the church that has wider repercussions in the world.

"In the three years of his papacy, Pope Benedict XVI has made a few encouraging statements about women, but he has done nothing that suggests willingness to open the discussion on women's ordination. That's why for his 81st birthday, we are offering the pope a present: the gift of women, their leadership, talents, experiences and unique perspectives."

The group trailed the popemobile to papal events with a billboard truck that asked: "Pope Benedict, How long must women wait for equality? Ordain Catholic Women."

As they are stuck on their version of "equality," the fundamental problem with the group and its message is that whatever Benedict says or does will not be enough for them. They are not open to listening, but to dictating an unworkable agenda. If they were open to it, they would hear and see the Roman Catholic Church's embrace and celebration of women. Women will not be priests, but they will always be an essential part of the Church.

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholics; feminists; papalvisit; womenpriests; wymynpryysts
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To: TraditionalistMommy
The Catholic Church will eventually adapt, and there will be female priests, just as there are female altar servers, female eucharistic ministers, etc.

There wouldn't be any need for female altar servers and female eucharistic ministers if the Church in Western countries hadn't caved to the zeitgeist of the 1960s!

51 posted on 04/28/2008 9:01:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If the angels could be jealous of men, they would be so for one reason: Holy Communion." -M. Kolbe)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
Jesus knew his audience, and used a template people were able to understand and relate to at the time.

He called them "true children of their father, the devil" and "whitewashed sepulchers". He didn't give a flying hoot about cultural conventions.

Besides, priestesses were all over the ancient world; it was a common place. But never in Judaism, only in paganism.

52 posted on 04/28/2008 9:05:27 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Pyro7480
Dear Pyro7480,

“There wouldn't be any need for female altar servers and female eucharistic ministers if the Church in Western countries hadn't caved to the zeitgeist of the 1960s!”

There is one church near me that doesn't permit female altar servers. It is clearly the most “conservative” local parish we hav nearby. It is the parish that produces more vocations to the priesthood than all the others near me put together.


sitetest

53 posted on 04/28/2008 9:05:29 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Pyro7480
My FRiend, there is no need for female altar boys, and there is very little need for Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.
54 posted on 04/28/2008 9:05:54 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: xone
You think Jesus would have modified His Message because of the times?

Good point! It rather bemuses (and rather amuses) me when people claiming to be Christian use the argument that something-or-other in Christianity is only because Christ lived in such benighted times. Do they really think that if only God had thought about it a bit more or were a little bit smarter, Christ would have been born in a more enlightened age, one rather like our own, in fact? ;-)

55 posted on 04/28/2008 9:06:02 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Campion

Dig in those heels. We shall see.


56 posted on 04/28/2008 9:07:34 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: TraditionalistMommy
The Catholic Church will eventually adapt, and there will be female priests, just as there are female altar servers, female eucharistic ministers, etc. People in your camp will whine and grumble as you always have.

Nope. We'll leave, and watch your apostate church join the Episcopalians in perdition and apostasy.

But you're living a fantasy, because that will never happen. Never.

57 posted on 04/28/2008 9:07:59 AM PDT by Campion
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To: TraditionalistMommy

Go to a mainline Protestant church that ordains women, and see how many men you see in the congregation between the ages of 20 and 60. They leave. They go away. They don’t want any part of your feminized so-called Christianity.


58 posted on 04/28/2008 9:10:29 AM PDT by Campion
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To: TraditionalistMommy
That’s one of the reasons the Catholic Church in the United States is dying. It’s a kind of authority not embraced in our society, for better or worse.

Where do you come up with this??? The Catholic Church in the US isn't as strong as it may have appeared to have been 50 years ago but it's far from dying. In fact it's the most vibrant Church in the developed, first world.

I also noticed in a previous post that you think ytoung people are abandonning the Church. Maybe in your parish...which from the tenor of your comments I would guess is probably very liberal...but not in the Church at large. Young people are the core of our Church...more and more of them are finding their way to a religious vocation and many of those who don't are finding fullfilment in the vocation of marriage and family life and are some of the most traditional Catholics around.

59 posted on 04/28/2008 9:12:48 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

Hey T.M., can you give us a ballpark estimate of how long you think we have to go until we get validly ordained priestesses? Like 5 years, 20years, 100 years, 500 years or what?

Freegards


60 posted on 04/28/2008 9:14:27 AM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Campion

A schism is certainly possible.


61 posted on 04/28/2008 9:17:46 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: ArrogantBustard

You forgot St John the Apostle.


62 posted on 04/28/2008 9:18:28 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
Jesus knew his audience, and used a template people were able to understand and relate to at the time.

Jesus' audience was worldwide and spans all time. His message isn't affected by the outlook of the people in a specific point in time. The 'template' He used worked because He was talking to His creation.

63 posted on 04/28/2008 9:20:32 AM PDT by xone
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To: TraditionalistMommy
1) It seems that you are advancing two arguments for women's ordination: a theological one and a practical one.

The theological support for the exclusively male presbyterate, however, is rooted in the continuous, unbroken tradition of the Church, east and west, which in turn is founded on the example of Christ in establishing the apostolic priesthood. Christ, who was so radical in breaking traditional Jewish customs, especially where women were concerned, yet chose only men for his apostles. Andit was not as if priestesses were unknown in the Roman World. Can we really say that he would stop short here and be bound by cultural conventions if he really thought that the dignity of women was implicated?

As John Paul II put it in Mulieris Dignitatem, "In calling only men as his Apostles, Christ acted in a completely free and sovereign manner. In doing so, he exercised the same freedom with which, in all his behavior, he emphasized the dignity and the vocation of women, without conforming to the prevailing customs and to the traditions sanctioned by the legislation of the time." This point was reaffirmed in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which treated the question as settled and part of the deposit of the faith.

The mistake, I think is in understanding the Church in purely material terms: and in material institutions, we are accustomed to the complete equality of men and women now. It must be said, in fairness, that many priests and bishops may be to blame to some extent by behaving in ways that make the priesthood look like a power institution rather than one of service - and ontological re-ordering.

2) Then there is the practical argument you seem to be making: We are short of priests. The Church is dying.

In this regard, however, I would affirm the point made by others: traditional, orthodox orders and dioceses which hold firm to doctrine and traditional charisms and practices are not having problems attracting vocations (male or female). The traditionalist orders FSSP and ICKSP literally have waiting lists because their seminaries are filled to capacity. In St. Louis, Kenrick Glennon seminary has doubled its seminarians (to well over 100) since Archbishop Burke was installed in 2005.

And it must be observed as well that mainline Protestant Churches (Episcopalians, Presbyterians, some Lutherans, some Methodists, etc.) which have ordained women are all losing membership, and often have vocational shortages. Clearly having ordained women has not solved their problems.

But I do agree that a significant number of American Catholics are open to women's ordination. If so, however, I would suggest that this is a measure of the degree to which they think as Americans, rather than as Catholics.

To paraphrase C.S. Lewis from above, what is striking about U.S. Catholic parishes today is that - priest notwithstanding - they are dominated by women. Too few men are involved. To make the Church even more feminine seems an unlikely way to bring them back in.

64 posted on 04/28/2008 9:22:21 AM PDT by The Iguana
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To: TraditionalistMommy
The Catholic Church will eventually adapt, and there will be female priests, just as there are female altar servers, female eucharistic ministers, etc.

Yes, good thing we allowed females to help with that great "shortage" of altar servers and eucharistic ministers.

65 posted on 04/28/2008 9:24:25 AM PDT by workerbee (Ladies do not start fights, but they can finish them.)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
Not just "possible". Guaranteed.

All you are doing is telling Rome to go down the same road the Episcopalians have taken, except it would be much, much, much worse because we have infallibly taught that women cannot be ordained.

It would be a disaster worse than the reformation.

66 posted on 04/28/2008 9:24:49 AM PDT by Campion
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To: maryz
Do they really think that if only God had thought about it a bit more or were a little bit smarter, Christ would have been born in a more enlightened age, one rather like our own, in fact? ;-)

It is an omniscience thing, human version. Disregarding God has already been through this.

67 posted on 04/28/2008 9:25:11 AM PDT by xone
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To: TraditionalistMommy
It’s not a democracy, you’re right. That’s one of the reasons the Catholic Church in the United States is dying. It’s a kind of authority not embraced in our society, for better or worse.

No it's not "dying". In certain parts of the country it is very sick and in others it's rather healthy. That's relevant and very interesting because it allows one to do a little study and investigation. One can compare the parts that are sick with those that are healthy and ask "what are the relevant differences?".

I live in Georgia and the Dioceses of Atlanta and Savannah are doing great in terms of vocations. Sorry to have to give you that good.....er.....bad news but it's true. We've had good bishops, good liturgy and have resisted the worst of the catechetical lunacy. Elsewhere of course, things aren't so rosy. Seminaries have been turned into lavender palaces by homosexuals where bishops and seminary rectors have been remiss in their responsibility. Scandal has inevitably followed and vocations have dwindled.

Ask yourself the question "when did this current vocations crisis first manifest?" The answer is; "coincident with the wholesale reforms and changes of the late '60s and early '70s". Nobody quit coming to Church because there are no women priests or because there weren't enough changes. That's perfectly ridiculous. And you know it.

Great numbers quit because there were too many of the wrong sort of changes and they came too rapidly. Catechesis went haywire, liturgy was turned upside, truths of the faith were denied with no episcopal intervention and in many cases lead by the episcopate. Result? Shipwreck in the faith for many.

And your solution to the problem is more of the same? To ordain women?

Try and acquire a little sense of history. Two thousand years is a long time. The Church didn't begin in 1965 when Vatican II finished. Two millenia without women priests probably means the Holy Spirit isn't a big fan of that idea.

All is not lost, however. There are a number of churches which have gone down the route which you would like Catholics to take and ordained women. You might like to try one. But be quick!!! In case you haven't noticed, they really are dying!! No coincidence, of course! No, no......they haven't ordained enough women! Yeah, that's it.......the Episcopal Church is collapsing because they don't have enough women priests! Brilliant!!

Get a clue and a new screen handle.

If you're "traditional" then Dracula is a vegetarian.

68 posted on 04/28/2008 9:25:19 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: TraditionalistMommy; ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480
I’ve been working in the Catholic Church for many years.

Within the USCCB, there are several progressive bishops who have brought similar views to their respective dioceses. In fact, I reside in one such diocese, but have never embraced the concept of women priests in the Catholic Church. Do you mind my asking in which diocese you work and reside?

69 posted on 04/28/2008 9:32:34 AM PDT by NYer (Jesus whom I know as my Redeemer cannot be less than God. - St. Athanasius)
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To: Campion; TraditionalistMommy
It would be a disaster worse than the reformation.

You are right that it would be a disaster worse than the Reformation. The Reformation from my perspective as a Christian Lutheran was a huge blessing. The road you describe Campion...the slide of the Catholic Church to a state similar to the Episcopalians would be a disaster, even to me.

70 posted on 04/28/2008 9:34:15 AM PDT by xone
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To: xone
The Reformation from my perspective as a Christian Lutheran was a huge blessing.

That obviously isn't my perspective as a faithful Catholic. ;-)

I would suggest that no sundering of Christ's body is ever anything but a disaster and a tragedy. Sometimes it is a necessary disaster if someone refuses to repent of their errors, but it's still a disaster from which we should pray to be delivered through God's wisdom and grace.

71 posted on 04/28/2008 9:37:05 AM PDT by Campion
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To: pgkdan

My list was intended to be suggestive, not exhaustive.

I also left out the North American College.


72 posted on 04/28/2008 9:45:33 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Campion

It’s kind of like the church and the boy scouts. They both used to have baad pederasty problems. The boy scouts decided to ban homosexuals, which seems to have worked for the most part, but has cost them the ire of the establishment. The church did not, until recently, seriously restrict homos in the priesthood. And look where it got us.


73 posted on 04/28/2008 9:50:42 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

But this is absurd, especially in light of the priest shortage

There is also a shortage of nuns....


74 posted on 04/28/2008 9:52:50 AM PDT by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: The Iguana

What a thoughtful and well-reasoned response. Thank you.

There are people who argue that there were, in fact, female apostles. I won’t make that argument, but I do think it’s interesting to consider how skillfully Jesus presented his radicalism. How would a group of female apostles have been received by the Jewish people 2000 years ago? Can you imagine?

I asked a question earlier, but no one responded. Why do Catholics ignore the Corinthians verse prescribing that women keep silent in the churches? Why have we taken such liberties with that, and do you believe it’s right that we do?

Ordaining women may not solve the priest shortage, you’re right. It’s quite possible nothing will.

It’s interesting that you seem to tie the decline of the Church membership to the increased involvement of women. I think it’s more likely women have been the glue holding the Church together for quite some time. I know far more women who encourage (drag?) their husbands and children to Mass every week than men. And if you really believe reducing the influence of women in the church will attract more men to the church, I ask you this: what kind of men, realistically, do you think you’d be attracting? And would you want to be part of a Church full of those men? I can think of at least one prominent religion where men enjoy all the power, and the results are often devastating.


75 posted on 04/28/2008 9:52:57 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: TraditionalistMommy

The Church’s response would be, “We haven’t been given the authority (from God) to do this.”


76 posted on 04/28/2008 9:53:00 AM PDT by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: Campion
The Reformation from my perspective as a Christian Lutheran was a huge blessing. That obviously isn't my perspective as a faithful Catholic. ;-) Obviously not.
77 posted on 04/28/2008 9:53:43 AM PDT by xone
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To: TraditionalistMommy
There is simply no good reason women should not be eligible for the priesthood.
The strongest reason I can give you for why women cannot be priests is that priests act in persona Christi capitis -- in the Person of Christ the Head.

It's true that, in baptism, we have all put on Christ and that he has incorporated us into his Body, and in that sense we can speak about everyone in every vocation acting in persona Christi. But the Church always speaks specifically of the priest acting in persona Christi capitis. The body of the Church is just that -- the body, not the head. Christ alone is the head, and the priest has the unique vocation of representing the unique headship of Jesus Christ.

78 posted on 04/28/2008 9:53:49 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: SAMS

Yes, there is. Why do you think so few women are interested in becoming nuns?


79 posted on 04/28/2008 9:54:03 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: eastsider

Why can’t a woman represent the “unique headship of Jesus Christ”?


80 posted on 04/28/2008 9:57:02 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: notaliberal

She needs to become an Episcopalian. They’re much more “open minded.”


81 posted on 04/28/2008 9:59:53 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: workerbee

Did we allow women to participate because of a shortage, or because most of us realized denying them participation was wrong?


82 posted on 04/28/2008 10:00:53 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: TraditionalistMommy
I’m happy in my parish for the moment, and still have hope for my Church, a seriously flawed entity (surely we can all agree on that one), but one full of many good people.

. . . one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church . . .

Benedict XVI in "Introduction to Christianity" explains this as a Holy Church of sinful people not a sinful church of Holy people. I highly recommend this book.

83 posted on 04/28/2008 10:03:21 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: TraditionalistMommy

I bet Reverend Wright doesn’t have trouble attracting men to HIS church.


84 posted on 04/28/2008 10:03:59 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I know the diff between right and wrong. Right: What I Am. Wrong: What You Are)
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To: ArrogantBustard
My list was intended to be suggestive, not exhaustive.

I know...I was just kidding and looking for a cheap plug for my parish.

85 posted on 04/28/2008 10:04:03 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: sitetest; ArrogantBustard; Pyro7480

My parish is also quite “orthodox” with the younger priests being even more so. Daily confession, ad orientem Masses, chant, etc.

If people want a blueprint for female ordination, they can always look to the Episcopal church and how well that’s fairing.


86 posted on 04/28/2008 10:04:42 AM PDT by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

Christ’s role as head of the Church and bridegroom are fundamentally male, for whatever reason in the mystery of God. The fatherhood of the clergy has a deeply symbolic relation to the maternal function of the Church. In one sense, Christ leads the Church; in another sense, Christ comes to wed the Church. The dynamic is this: Christ the head, caring for his Church; Christ the groom, married to his bride, the Church.


87 posted on 04/28/2008 10:04:43 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: SAMS
There is also a shortage of nuns....

Be sure to tell the Missionaries of Charity. And the Sisters of Life. And the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist. And the Dominican Sisters of St. Cecelia. And the Franciscan Sisters of the Renewal. I'm sure they'd be interested to know that.

Funny thing: orthodox, traditional orders grow. "Relevant" orders that follow the ways of the world die.

To the extent that there is a shortage of priests, nuns, and brothers, it is manufactured by folks who deliberately abandoned orthodoxy for "relevance".

88 posted on 04/28/2008 10:07:45 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
I asked a question earlier, but no one responded. Why do Catholics ignore the Corinthians verse prescribing that women keep silent in the churches? Why have we taken such liberties with that, and do you believe it’s right that we do?

Among all the other changes wrought in the name of the 'Spirit' of Vatican II came women lectors and LEM's. This was a great mistake in my mind and one that is not too late to change. It will take several generations but it can and should be done.

I believe that women should keep silent and should cover their heads.

89 posted on 04/28/2008 10:09:58 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: gogeo

Hey, I just might be tempted if the majority of Catholics I knew were like the few participating in this thread. Fortunately, the majority of American Catholics, period, are in favor of ordaining women priests. :)

“American Catholics continue to be open to new ideas for parish leadership. 61% of respondents agreed that the Catholic Church should allow women to serve as priests. Generational differences are apparent, as less than half (47%) of those born in 1940 or earlier approve the idea, while two-thirds (66%) of those born after 1960 endorse female ordination.”

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1475


90 posted on 04/28/2008 10:10:51 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: pgkdan
Plug away!

Meanwhile, I'll put in a plug for St John Cantius Parish, and the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius

A very good friend is a member of that order.

91 posted on 04/28/2008 10:11:28 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: pgkdan

Seriously? A la fundamentalist Islam?


92 posted on 04/28/2008 10:11:39 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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To: TraditionalistMommy; Pyro7480
Here's my 2¢ -- the Church moves slowly, carefully. I don't think we're ready for women priests -- remember that you may be ok with it in the West, but the Church exists in Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, East Asia etc and the Church is globally spread.

It is moving slowly -- women are encouraged to participate more in the Church as sacristans, deacons, alter-servers etc. And you can't convince me that nuns ain't as tough as priests and definitely in many cases as or more important!! Maybe in the next century or after that we could have female priests, but it would be after a lot of thought and care.

The Anglican Church went head-long into change and it snow-balled, first they allowed female priests, then they allowed abortions, then practising gaybishops. And when Genie Richards was made bish, Christian homes in Nigeria and elsewhere were burnt.
93 posted on 04/28/2008 10:11:51 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
"There is simply no good reason women should not be eligible for the priesthood. I am Catholic, and most of the Catholics I know agree with me, but also agree that the Church is so behind on this issue, we’re not likely to see a remedy in our lifetimes."

Sure there is---Christ didn't choose any women as Apostles (disciples, yes, but not Apostles). Nor did the Apostles ever choose any women to be bishops. And based on those facts the Church has made an infallible judgment that women cannot be priests---so fuggedaboutit.

94 posted on 04/28/2008 10:12:24 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Cronos
I don't think we're ready for women priests

It's not a matter of whether we're "ready" ... It's a matter of whether it's "right".

It's not. Wrong should never be done, even if a majority are "ready" for it.

95 posted on 04/28/2008 10:14:03 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

You’re not old enough to remember women wearing a veil?


96 posted on 04/28/2008 10:14:45 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
"I know far more women who encourage (drag?) their husbands and children to Mass every week than men."

Because the men do not want to go to feminized Masses: wimpy sermons, happy clappy 60's kumbaya music, etc. Homosexual priests do not help. What straight father and husband can relate to some swishy priest? Women priests would only serve to exacerbate, not ameliorate this problem.

97 posted on 04/28/2008 10:15:23 AM PDT by jjm2111 (Are we going to have a Daily Dose of McCain?)
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To: TraditionalistMommy

Women in The Church are NOT second-class, try telling that to the Nuns I know! furthermore, the act of celebrating mass is of a community. By not having women as celebrants, in no way signifies that they are not the equals of men


98 posted on 04/28/2008 10:16:20 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: TraditionalistMommy
The Catholic Church has adapted to society throughout its history, though often at a slow pace

A key point -- at a slow pace. Please don't make a change in the USA that will cause anguish to your fellow believers in Muslim dominated lands
99 posted on 04/28/2008 10:19:21 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: jjm2111

Wow, this thread is really drawing some interesting people...


100 posted on 04/28/2008 10:20:34 AM PDT by TraditionalistMommy
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