Posted on 04/28/2008 6:33:10 AM PDT by NYer
Thus the majority of American Catholics are wrong. There was once a time when most of Europe was Arian; that didn't make them right.
I'm going to echo what ArrogantBustard, sitetest, and others are saying. Healthy doses of traditional piety and orthodoxy produce vocations to the priesthood and religious life, while modernist nonsense does not.
The Church spoke. The issue is closed. Those who follow what the Church teaches seem to be growing and flourishing, while those who do not are graying and dying out.
I'm going to ask you an honest question, and I would appreciate an honest answer: How do you explain the trends we point out, which are completely contrary to the position you support?
The dichotomy between your posts and your screen-name is the catalyst.
BTW, I hope you think I’m interesting. Also, I used to think more like you, but it was my fiancee, (and moving to a more “orthodox” parish) that convinced me otherwise.
Women priests is like socialized medicine. Something that seems like a good idea at the surface, but in the long run will be disastrous.
The problem is, no one can make a convincing case that it’s not right, and most who try only wind up revealing deep-seated misogyny.
The majority of Catholics in this country favor ordaining women priests. Those who disagree (including the one in this thread who believes women should be kept silent and covered in churches), are shrinking in numbers.
The majority of catholics also do not believe in the True Presence or any need for the Sacrament of Confession. Are they right?
It didn’t used to, but now it grates on me when a bareheaded huss... err... woman gets up on the lector stand and reads. I think that’s what that passage means, they shouldn’t read, and they shouldn’t be altar boys, and they shouldn’t nag their men. And they SHOULD cover their heads. A woman’s hair is her crowning glory, and it’s distracting to a man to see it. I rather enjoy it, but it IS distracting and it leads me to great sin.
I should have used a /sarc tag but I thought you'd see my point. Stop using the "shortage" bogeyman when you're real beef is some kind of perceived oppression.
Find a feminized clergy and you find a paucity of men altogether, a doctrine that changes with the social and political winds, and an embrace of things which are the opposite of Christian teachings through the ages -- all with which I suspect you'd be completely comfortable, and why true "traditionalists" will tell you: the Episcopal/Methodist/Universalist/Church Of's are just down the street...
The discussion is ended.
The majority of Catholics in this country favor ordaining women priests.
Too bad for them. They're wrong.
Firstly, I haven’t seen any of you provide statistics to support your claims. All the available numbers suggest, time and again, that church attendance is dropping, there are fewer priests every year, and Catholic schools are in crisis and closing in great numbers.
I don’t dispute there’s an enthusiastic bunch of fundamentalist Catholics in the world, but they are a tiny minority (who may indeed be the last ones standing eventually), and their existence has not stopped or slowed large-scale attrition.
Being a nun is just as good as being a priest. IMO, there should be one difference, that of consecrating the elements, that and the apostolic blessing. Nuns can and should run things administratively. I know, we don’t like that much when these same feminazis get in there running things, but I think it’s biblically sound — after all didn’t the Apostles say that they couldn’t be bothered with waiting at table? Course, that’s what deacons were created for, but at any rate, I think priests should be freed of administrivia whenever possible to allow them to preach and administer the sacraments and possibly even have time to go home and relax a little once in a while.
LOL, the discussion has clearly not ended.
The correct term is "orthodox," not "fundamentalist." I also find it interesting that you seem to think that they will be the "last ones standing eventually." You're correct, because heterodoxy ultimately doesn't produce good fruit.
The problem is, no one can make a convincing case that it’s not right, and most who try only wind up revealing deep-seated misogyny.LOL! And I suppose Jesus is a misogynist for taking on the flesh of a man and telling us to pray like this -- "Our Father ..."
Do you realize that, to the Religion of Democracy, our belief is blasphemous? How can the majority be wrong? According to Democracy, Majority Vote is the only determiner of Truth. That's why the founders of this great Republic founded a Republic, not a Democracy ... they knew the danger of unfetterd Public Opinion.
My church is also just down the street, and the majority of those in the parish, as in the rest of the country, side with me. :)
Perhaps initially, but those who tend to believe in women's ordination don't typically reproduce, so ultimately, orthodoxy is going to triumph.
I remember when every lady had at least one veil. Don’t recall them wearing them that much, except maybe my Grandmother. But you would see it... not so much any more.
I saw a couple of dominican nuns at the post office the other day. At least I *think* they were dominicans... cream habit with black wimple. They were so cute. I hope we get back to where it isn’t such a surprise to see nuns in habit. I don’t begrudge them wearing street clothes, but like priests, when on the job I think they should wear the habit.
Hmm... if we have reached the point of hysterical, sarcastic red herring arguments, it’s probably time for me to sign off and get some work done.
Nice chatting with you all, though. There aren’t so many of you around anymore, so it’s a rare treat. ;)
Homosexual priests have screwed EVERYTHING up. We need to get back to the Rod Steiger kind of priest. Fr. John Corapi is the perfect example of the kind of priest we need a lot more of.
I disagree. Those not in favor of women’s ordination tend to be too old to reproduce.
I have three kids, and the majority of Catholics in my age group are in favor of women’s ordination. I can think of four in my parish who are pregant right now. :)
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