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Southern Baptist Pastor Leaves Everything for the Eucharist
Coming Home Network ^ | Jun 8th, 2007 | Andy

Posted on 05/01/2008 5:07:35 PM PDT by annalex

Southern Baptist Pastor Leaves Everything for the Eucharist

I grew up in a strong Christian home.  My parents were, and still are, two of the most devout Christians I have ever known.  They instilled in me not only the importance of knowing about Christ, but knowing Him personally.  When I was 10 years old, I pledged my life to Jesus and was baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.  My teen years were filled with opportunities for spiritual growth thanks to the encouragement and example of my parents and youth leaders.  When I was seventeen I dedicated myself to full-time Christian service.  At that time, I assumed my future ministry would be that of a pastor.  Therefore, I felt I needed a four-year degree in Christian studies and graduate studies in ministry.  My family was not in a position to send me to a four-year private school, much less an expensive one, but my trust was in God.  If He wanted me to be there, I believed, He would provide the means for me to get there.  In what I can only describe as a miracle, I was awarded a four year presidential scholarship and found a job as a resident assistant, which payed for all of my expenses.

In college, I experienced a profound conversion of sorts.  Having the opportunity to study under some of the brightest minds in the Evangelical world, I discovered a deep love for learning, especially Scripture, History, and Theology.  I became so enamored in fact that I quickly gained a reputation for being a know-it-all.   Unfortunately, I had earned that reputation with a head full of pride and a heart lacking in charity when it came to dialogue.  I should explain at this point that I was discovering that because of the charism of knowledge, study came very easy to me.  Things just seemed to be absorbed as if my mind were a dry sponge.  There is nothing wrong with that, except for the fact that I was not tempering my newfound knowledge with humility and personal piety.  This flaw would prove to be a major factor in my conversion.

I was so wrapped up in ministry preparation, language studies, and reading that I wasn't even looking for a woman.  That's probably a good thing, because while I was distracted, God was preparing my wife over in the ladies' dorms.  We met the summer of my freshman year while we worked at a youth camp.  It was as close to "love at first site" as I can imagine.  We took things slow and filled our non-work time with long walks, talks and Bible studies.  I knew very quickly that this was the woman God had chosen to be my wife.  We would be married less than two years later and begin our lives together. 

Life wasn't super easy for us as we were new to married life, new to bills, and new to pretty much everything else.  However, God helped us through our first years with few, if any, major problems.  We also learned the importance of health insurance after my face was broken during a pickup mud football game.  One thing we had been convinced of as a couple was that God was to be in charge of blessing our lives with children.  As such, we did not use contraception, choosing instead to practice the billings ovulation method.  Oddly enough, we were not the only ones at our Baptist school who felt that way.  As I neared my graduation, God blessed us with the news that we were expecting our first child.  Now I would be a father as well as a husband.  Apparently, there were more lessons for me to learn outside of the classroom.  In spite of a tough course load, three part-time jobs, and school related ministry opportunities; I still managed to graduate on time with a BA in Christian Studies and minors in both Greek and History. 

Seminary life was exciting.  We were gaining the reputation of being a magnet for top scholarship and theological soundness, which was something many Baptist affiliated schools could not claim.  Once again, my desire for knowledge had me taking difficult courses and loving every minute.  My professors were challenging my heart as well as my mind, and I'm forever grateful.  In fact, their example, along with that of my college professors, led me to pursue a future in theological education.  I believed that it was in the classroom and lecture hall that I would be most useful to God as a minister.  While I was gaining all this knowledge and continually fueled by a desire to become a great teacher, I was also letting my growth in holiness decline.  Daily prayer and Bible study became to me opportunities for lesson planning and sermon writing.  I was looking at the Bible for its academic properties and neglecting much of my spiritual encounter with God in the Scriptures.  Busier than ever, with a new baby, a new job, and with school, I was beginning to substitute activity for piety.  But I didn't notice my mistake.

What I did notice was that my denominational "constituents", for the most part, were historically and theologically myopic.  I vowed to myself that a major portion of my ministry would be to take Baptists back to the practices and beliefs of the Baptist founders, which, I believed at the time, to be synonymous with the beliefs and practices of the early Christians.  In order to prove this, and to prove the historicity and rightness of Baptist theology and polity, I decided to study the earliest Christian writing I could find in addition to the Bible, namely the Church Fathers. 

I had first met the Fathers in college as translation work in advanced Greek classes.  Translation of extrabiblical Greek texts honed our skills and eliminated our "crutch" of cheating on translations for which we had memorized the English scripture verses.  I first met Saint Polycarp and was so intrigued by him that I wanted to read more.  In seminary, I would read the writings of St. Polycarp, St. Clement, St. Ignatius, St. Irenaeus, and St. Justin Martyr.  My studies of the Fathers would reveal to me a sacramental Faith, a tangible Faith, a structured Faith, a faith that I was having trouble reconciling to my present denominational affiliation.  But my patristic studies would have to wait because shortly after the birth of our 2nd child, I had found a pastoral ministry opportunity to be an associate pastor of youth and education near my hometown. 

Church ministry was great because it helped force me back into the devotional practices I had been only weakly observing.  Aided by the forceful words of men like John Piper, Charles Spurgeon, and CS Lewis, I was challenged to adopt the principle of "incarnational" living.  I wanted the truth to be so ingrained in me that it permeated every portion of my life.  This proved to be my final undoing, but at the time, it was spurring me to make changes in my life.  Still, I held some things back from God, including my role as a father.  I was so busy studying and doing ministry work that I wasn't making time for the kids or my wife, so busy that I didn't even notice my neglect. 

In my studies, I continued to read the pre-Nicene Fathers of the Church.  The spiritual might I saw in these men showed me that I was lacking something in my life, but I couldn't place it.  What I was realizing, however, was that their Church and mine looked totally different.  They had an authority structure, bishops, priests, and deacons.  They had a liturgy that was rich in beauty and meaning.  They had sacraments, most especially the Eucharist.  It was the Eucharist that intrigued me most.  The more I read, the more I became convinced that Christ was not speaking figuratively in John 6 at Capernaum or in the Upper Room.  I was convinced of the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist, something we as Baptists did not have, but that I wanted.

What I saw in my future was a life as a Catholic, but that couldn't happen yet. I still had way too much ministry to accomplish.  I decided to shelve the "Catholic thing" so I could concentrate on finishing my work there.  I figured that after five or six years I could step down quietly and pursue my Catholic studies then.  I had no desire to cause a scandal.  In fact, to make sure no "papist" teaching came out in my ministry; I made a point to provide my senior pastor with copies of all my lessons and sermons before I taught them.  It was important enough for me to finish my ministry agenda before pursuing anything else.  In fact, I told no one about my desire to know more about the Catholic Church.  I studied on my own time, alone, to see if the ancient Church and the modern Catholic Church were one and the same. 

My search was very lonely.  There was no one I could talk to because if word got out that I was even considering the claims of the Church, I could easily have lost my job, putting my family in jeopardy.  I wasn't willing to risk that, even though I was becoming more and more convinced of the Catholic Faith.  After a while, I found myself going to Eucharistic Adoration at the Catholic Hospital during my hospital visitation rounds.  I set up appointments to talk with priests "under cover of darkness" because I had questions.  But I still had no one to share with.  I was alone and, quite frankly, terrified of what the future might hold.  

I stumbled upon the Coming Home Network almost by accident and was encouraged to find that there were other ministers like me who were asking questions.  I found two friends with whom I felt comfortable sharing my struggles.  One was a Baptist pastor, like myself.  The other was a recent convert from an Evangelical Free background.  They became my prayer partners and my sounding boards.  When I finally got the nerve to call CHN, I was encouraged by Jim Anderson, who not only talked with me, but also provided books and study materials to aid me in my search.  I thank God for the Coming Home Network.  I didn't feel quite so alone anymore.

Things continued smoothly, just as I had planned, until we had to travel to California for a wedding.  The wedding was beautiful and San Francisco was amazing, but something was not right with me.  God was pressing His thumb upon my heart and I noticed it.  The whole time we were there, I found myself in constant debate with Him over the state of my spiritual life.   The night before we were scheduled to leave, God had His final say with me in what I can only describe as an emotional confrontation.  He revealed to my heart, in no uncertain terms, that I was shipwrecking my life.  He clearly showed me that my heart was not with my wife or with my children, but with myself and my activities.  I was a shallow and selfish man who blamed his ministry for not having enough time to read to or play with his own kids or spend time conversing with his wife.  I was living my dream as a teacher, but I was failing to practice the very truths I taught.  I was living a lie and I had no excuses. 

I wept all night before finally asking God, "What am I supposed to do now?" 

"You're going to have to resign."

"But I don't want to resign."

"If you don't step down on your own, I'll remove you myself."

"What am I supposed to do for a living?  How will I support my family?"

"Trust me."

That was all I remember before crying myself to sleep.  It was a deep cathartic cry because my hard heart was finally seeing the message God had been trying to get through my thick skull for almost eight years.  He was trying to help me get my life together, not just my personal life and my family, but my eternal life and the eternal lives of my wife and kids.  I had to obey.  Yet as scared as I was, I had a calm peace that kept reminding me to trust God.  I didn't say a word to anybody about this or my decision until I was in the car with my wife, driving from the Memphis airport to our home across the state.  We were able to have a seven hour discussion of all God had been showing me.  I asked for her forgiveness and for my kids’ forgiveness, and I made a commitment to earn their trust and win their hearts.

I still had to resign.  There were no flashing signs or helpful books to guide me into the unknown.  However, I did find strength from my friends at the Coming Home Network.  I also found a job.  God was reminding me again to trust Him.  The resignation itself wasn't that hard, because I had the confidence that I was being obedient.  I was determined to be the man God wanted me to be and not to occupy a leadership position until I demonstrated true leadership and not mere academic acumen.

To shorten this story a bit, after resigning and relocating for my new job, I was able to meet with a priest for instruction and formation as a Catholic.  I knew that the answer to my spiritual hunger was the Eucharist.  On Christmas Eve 2002, my wife and I were received into the Catholic Church.  Since then, I have been growing, sometimes by small steps, but sometimes by great leaps.  Most precious to me are the Sacraments of the Eucharist and Reconciliation.  God has heaped His grace on me and I can see a change in my heart.  He has brought balance into my life.  He has saved my marriage.  He has reconciled me to my children.  He has also, a little at a time, allowed me to resume ministry, this time as a lay catechist and evangelist.  I still have my struggles, as we all do, but now I have something I did not have before, hope.  I have hope for the future and strength for today through the Eucharist.  God continues to teach me to trust in Him and to depend on Him.  Through the Sacraments, I continue to grow in my faith, hope, and charity. 

Believe it or not, folks, that was the short version.  God probably has reserved a crown for you in Heaven just for persevering through my tale.  I'm happy to discuss my journey with you, and I'd love the opportunity to pray for you as you search.  I'll leave this post with a closing comment. 

People have asked me, "Was it worth it?" 


Last edited on Fri Jun 8th, 2007 10:32 am by Polycarp

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To: magdalen
Of course many Catholics have left the faith—they do nt understand the ongoing miracle of the Real Presence of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, present in the most Holy Eucharist. If they did, and if they truly love Our Lord, they could never ever leave!

You know, many times people leave the Catholic Church out of curiosuity, experiment a bit with Protestant theologies and come back to the Lord, strengthened.

41 posted on 05/02/2008 9:31:14 AM PDT by annalex (
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To: Tax-chick

Yes. Also the social cohesion fostered, especially, by Baptist churches is truly remarkable. We have much to learn from them.

It is, perhaps, an American trend, as English speaking Catholics grew out of relentless persecution by the British, and Mexicans still have the scars from their masonic revolution in the early 1900’s. In England, Mass had to be celebrated in secret for centuries: no wonder Catholics are not used to socialize in church.

42 posted on 05/02/2008 9:37:47 AM PDT by annalex (
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To: annalex
What I want to know, guy, is how you reconciled your longing for the Eucharist with also having to pray to Mary and saints.

How did you intellectually make the leap into ignoring the total lack of scriptural evidence, traditional evidence, or the use of simple reason and honest rationale to believe in things like the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary when it is clearly tradition that was made up whole cloth by the Church?

Until the day comes that I can chuck my conscience and reason out the window, I cannot cross the Tiber. This has been the single biggest stumbling block to ever becoming Catholic. I can't accept things that aren't based in Scripture or some real, definable, documented tradition of the very early Church fathers who had the closest ties to the apostles. Things that were made up centuries later, by men...sorry, that just doesn't wash.

43 posted on 05/02/2008 10:00:00 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: annalex
I found myself going to Eucharistic Adoration at the Catholic Hospital during my hospital visitation rounds.

Dear Annalex,thanks for posting this wonderful article! Inviting our protestant brothers and sisters to attend Eucharistic Adoration is the key to conversion.

After all,Our blessed Lord is fully present right there on the alter in the monstrance.

I wish you a Blessed day!

44 posted on 05/02/2008 10:14:26 AM PDT by stfassisi ( ("Above all gifts that Christ gives his beloved is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi))
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To: Boagenes
the total lack of scriptural evidence, traditional evidence, or the use of simple reason and honest rationale to believe in things like the Immaculate Conception and Assumption of Mary

First, if Christ is there in the Eucharist and you know it, then the rest should not really matter. Your question is like Nathaniel being surprised that the Christ came from the unlikely place of Nazareth. If that's where Christ is, and you are a Christian, that's where you go.

Second, what lack of evidence? "Hail full of grace" implies the Immaculate Conception very strongly; Apocalypse 12 describes Mary in her body as a queen in heaven. These are all ancient beliefs of the Church. The Orthodox do not have a problem with them (they have a problem with papal infallibility and with Catholic way of refining dogmas, but not with these Marian beliefs themselves).

45 posted on 05/02/2008 10:40:50 AM PDT by annalex (
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To: stfassisi

Thnak you for the kind words, God bless.

46 posted on 05/02/2008 10:41:40 AM PDT by annalex (
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To: annalex
First, "full of grace" isn't the correct translation. It's "full of favor" or "who God has highly favored" or something along those lines.

Second, others in the Bible are also called "favored" or "highly favored" of God, too. It doesn't imply anything more than one on whom God has shown his favor. It doesn't mean they aren't sinners or any less sinful.

Only Catholics believe that the woman in Revelation 12 is Mary. There are counter (and better argued) arguments that the woman represents Israel (as Protestants have long agreed). There is nothing in Revleation 12 that argues the woman is supposed to be Mary, this is just how Catholics choose to interpret it.

47 posted on 05/02/2008 11:37:22 AM PDT by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: GAB-1955

I once asked if anyone could name a prominent Protestant who had once been a Catholic. Got doznes of responses and thousands of reads. No good responses. Since then, Glen Beck certainly has become prominent, but most people don’t count Mormons as Protestants.

48 posted on 05/02/2008 11:44:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: Boagenes

On Luke 1:28, you rely on obfuscatory Protestant translations, designed to propagate mariophobic falsehoods.

The original says “Kecharitomeneh”, a unique to Luke word formation from “charis”, “grace”. It is true that “charis” is sometimes translated “favor”, but never in theological context. The same Protestant translations that have “favored” in Luke 1:28 always translate “charis” as “grace” everywhere else. It is simply a dishonest attempt to trivialize the manner of the angel’s salutation, even though St. Luke makes a special effort to underscore its uniqueness in the following verse.

Further, “kecharitomeneh” is past tense, — something English translation cannot properly convey. This points to the fact that Mary is not filled with grace at the time of the Annunciation, but that she had been filled with it all along, hence Immaculate Conception.

St. Stephen is also described as “full of grace”, but the context is clear that he experiences a surge of grace and fortitude as he speaks, and the origional uses a different verbiage.

The woman in Apocalypse (Revelation of St. John) is described as mother of Christ (Apoc. 12:5, 10). The interpretation that she is somehow Israel is just plain silly.

49 posted on 05/02/2008 12:01:37 PM PDT by annalex (
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To: GAB-1955

“Yes, obviously. However, Catholicism and Protestantism aren’t enemies. We are all one Body under the Headship of Christ.”


Not exactly true. Only those Catholics and Protestants and others who have been authentically born again of the Spirit of God are part of the Body of Christ.

Denominational and traditional affiliations, Catholicism, Protestantism and etc. will get you nowhere with God.

“You must be born again.”

50 posted on 05/02/2008 12:09:12 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: annalex

“Incidentally, I hardly ever see hostility to the community of faith that Catholic converts left; invariably, “

If we had a better search function, I could show you quite a few right here.

51 posted on 05/02/2008 12:11:11 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Wonder Warthog; dartuser

“he only problem is that the “scriptura” can be interpreted many different ways (witness the many different understandings of same among different Protestant groups).”

But, but but...

Can’t the Church Fathers ALSO be interpreted many different ways???

Or did God supposedly give the Church Fathers the ability to write more clearly than the Apostles????


“”Sola Scriptura” is “sola stupid”.”

Great argument!

But tell it to St. Paul. He’ll disagree with you.

52 posted on 05/02/2008 12:16:45 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: annalex; Boagenes

“First, if Christ is there in the Eucharist and you know it”

Christ was sacrificed ONCE, not every Sunday. The Mass is no real sacrifice. Communion is a “rememberance” - not the real thing.


“Apocalypse 12 describes Mary in her body as a queen in heaven. “

Revelations 12 is not Mary. The Revelations 12 woman had pain in child birth - something Mary didn’t have according to the RCC.

53 posted on 05/02/2008 12:26:21 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: dangus; GAB-1955

“I once asked if anyone could name a prominent Protestant who had once been a Catholic.”

Dangus, what in the world does “prominence” have to do with anything???

“... or consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;”

54 posted on 05/02/2008 12:31:02 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: BaBaStooey
Every Catholic who questions the teachings of the Catholic Church and chooses to believe differently has left the Catholic Church for Protestantism.

In my experience, the three former Catholics I knew became agnostic or atheist in their beliefs.

55 posted on 05/02/2008 12:59:56 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: PetroniusMaximus; GAB-1955
“You must be born again.”

This "born again" is baptism. However, baptized Christians at times fall away from the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons.

56 posted on 05/02/2008 1:13:22 PM PDT by annalex (
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To: Boagenes
it is clearly tradition that was made up whole cloth by the Church?

Hey, to a Catholic, anything made up whole cloth by the Church is true and cannot be questioned. And plenty of apologists will twist the Bible into making it look like it was there all along.

57 posted on 05/02/2008 1:14:44 PM PDT by dan1123 (If you want to find a person's true religion, ask them what makes them a "good person".)
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To: annalex

“This “born again” is baptism.”

annalex, “born again” is not baptism.

Being “born again” is when a sinful person hears the Gospel and believes and the Holy Spirit enters their life and being and gives them a new spirit and a new heart.

From then on, that person want to love God and do what is pleasing to Him. And they only way they can keep doing that is by living is close fellowship with the Lord.

58 posted on 05/02/2008 1:22:53 PM PDT by PetroniusMaximus
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To: PetroniusMaximus
I could show you quite a few right here

Yes, I know. But here we have a forum designed for spirited exchange. I am not a convert from Protestantism, but I consider Protestantism to be a colossal theological error. Consequently, I express myself in a way that at times comes across as hostility. Of course, Protestants are not exactly shrinking violets themselves when it comes to their criticisms of Catholicism. What I am saying is that former Protestants who convert to Catholicism do not, typically, deny their former faith altogether, they just wish more converted with them. My wife, for example, often points out that Protestants believe what they do because their pastors teach them, and that their desire to find Christ outside of the Catholic Church is sincere and should count for something.

My case is easy since I converted from Orthodoxy, but likewise I have nothing but praise for the Orthodox Church and am very reluctant to criticize it, even when I think to myself that I could.

59 posted on 05/02/2008 1:24:51 PM PDT by annalex (
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To: PetroniusMaximus

***“”Sola Scriptura” is “sola stupid”.”

Great argument!

But tell it to St. Paul. He’ll disagree with you.***

It’s nice to see that not all Protestants claim to speak for God. St. Paul certainly is a step down. Can you show where St. Paul advances the notion of sola scriptura?

60 posted on 05/02/2008 1:25:52 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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