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To: griffin

I don’t understand the point you are trying to make, especially as you seem to connect some scripture quotes to your apparent dislike of the Catholic Church.

108 posted on 05/02/2008 4:42:20 PM PDT by annalex (
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To: annalex
Your statement:
“In Protestant thinking (I don’t know what the Anglican thinking is), salvation is what happens at the time a believer makes a decision for Christ.”

My statement:
Not according to a Soveriegn Lord. Nobody’s right hand can save themselves (Job). Some ‘free will’ protestant do think that [their salvation occurs when THEY make a decision]. Their way of thinking tries to rob the Lord of His glory [and allows themselves to take credit for a miraculous event! Only He can redeem depraved individuals and make them pure as snow and therefore] “having mercy upon whom I will have mercy” [and instead places the final activating event within the power of the created being].

Branching out a bit into your other thoughts regarding the purseverance of the saints and how our salvation IS NOT able to be lost, but is imperishable:
In 1 Peter, Peter describes life after the spiritual rebirth....

“In this you rejoice, though now for a little while, if necessary, you have been grieved by various trials, so that the tested genuineness of your faith”

It is not the re-birth that takes a life time. That happens in an instant. It is the testing of that faith that lasts a lifetime. We reborn ELECT are not insulted from the ramifications of sin, Inherited or otherwise. However, perseverance of the saints is always in effect. “Nothing can pluck My sheep from My hand”. AND that salvation, once sealed is forever....

1 Peter 1:23 states, “For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.”

Romans 10:17 states, “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.”

Therefore, faith is a gift of God arriving through the WORD of Christ. Not Catechism. Not tradition. Not some druid-looking priest that slips a wafer into your mouth. By the WORD, through the Power of Christ, according to Him. Period.

154 posted on 05/05/2008 10:23:09 AM PDT by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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To: annalex; Wonder Warthog
I do have to hand it to the rcc though.

Through good humanism (satan LOVES humanism) you do feed and materially help many in third world countries and here at home. Unfortunately, you have veered WAY off the Christian path with imposed rules-of-men and misrepresentation of scriptural truths, all pushed onto these same people whom you materially help.

It appears Catholics do a great job keep people very comfortable on the way to hell.

155 posted on 05/05/2008 10:35:04 AM PDT by griffin (Love Jesus, No Fear!)
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