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To: mountainbunny
Prayer for those who are dead (for non-LDS, anyway) is not to convert.

Either way, isn't it about trying to get that person's soul into heaven?

Does praying for people in Purgatory insult the memories of Jews who died in the Holocaust?

I don't think so. It reflects on those doing the praying rather than on those who have passed on. I would imagine some Jews might be upset by it, but that doesn't impact their memory of their loved one.

And what indulgences have to do with anything is beyond me

Are you saying the Catholic Church never sold indulgences to people so that punishment for sins of those who have passed on could be remitted (in full or in part)? Come on - we both know that occurred.

How would sale of indulgences be different from praying for someone or getting baptized for someone who has passed on thinking that act can somehow change the 'destiny' of that individual?

Like I said, it reflects on the person undertaking the action, not on the person who has passed on.

169 posted on 05/05/2008 6:58:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall cause you to vote against the Democrats.)
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To: MEGoody
Either way, isn't it about trying to get that person's soul into heaven?

No. It's telling the world that the Jews who died as a result of being Jews wasn't really good enough for God and need fixing in the afterlife.

It is also a direct breech of the agreement the LDS Church made with Jewish groups.

See: Vatican trying to avoid baptism by proxy - from today's Salt Lake Tribune
The practice of LDS baptism for the dead has come under fire from Jewish groups that say the names of Jewish Holocaust victims are still showing up in the church's vast genealogical database for unwelcome baptisms, even after the church agreed in 1995 not to proxy baptize Jewish Holocaust victims.

Make no mistake about it. Jews have asked specifically and repeatedly that the LDS Church stop this practice and have received numerous assurances that it would stop... but then it doesn't.

Which is precisely the reason that Israel, exactly like the Vatican, has gone out of its way to bgin keeping the records from the LDS Church because the LDS Chruch cannot keep it's word.

See: Mormons meet with Jews over baptizing Holocaust victims
SALT LAKE CITY, Utah (AP) -- Mormon and Jewish leaders met Tuesday in New York City to discuss the Mormon church's apparent breach of its agreement not to posthumously baptize Holocaust victims and other deceased Jews.

So, if the LDS Church has agreed to stop the practice, why haven't they?

In what way is breeching their agreement with Jews a moral thing to do?

177 posted on 05/05/2008 8:13:28 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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