Posted on 05/02/2008 2:09:51 PM PDT by Augustinian monk
AMEN.
LOLOL. It's not the Protestants who fall to their knees before the stock of a tree.
Or pray to dead people.
Or seek after talismen like relics as if they contained some intrinsic magick.
Protestants do not kneel before "another Christ."
There is no "holy water" that is bartered by Protestants; there is only the "living water of Christ."
So, what do you make of Matthew 16:18-19 then? What did Jesus mean when he gave the “keys to the kingdom of heaven” to Peter and the Church?
If Jesus really intended for us to gather in a myriad of squabbling disorganized churches, then why did he elect one man, Peter, the leader?
The Bible refers to the Church of Jesus Christ as the pillar of truth. Nowhere does it refer to itself as the sole repository of anything.
The role of the Church is described. It is the entity that Jesus left, not something that men formed 70 years ago.
Our friend is extablishing quite a reputation which will be hard to shake.
***In my ever so humble opinion, we are the Christians.
LOL. Yes, it is “your opinion.”
Meanwhile, according to the word of God, not so much.***
According to the Bible, history and the Church that Jesus formed, it is entirely accurate. According to religions made from the splinters of splinters of splinters of splinters from the true Church, not so much.
***He founded the one true church, consisting of His sheep. We gather in local churches and call them we may.
AMEN.***
Splitters and quitters don’t get to make the rules, however much the men who founded them would like to do so. The only difference that I can see between the founders of your cult and Joseph Smith is that JS had a much greater imagination.
Thank you.
I knew you were twisting my words, but I did not know how.
My statement in 185 (”You cited four passages from Scripture. None of them say ‘filled with grace.’”) is undeniable. Neither is the phrase “filled with grace” used in those passages nor is the word “Kecharitomene” used in the original Greek.
Recall that your post with the four bible passages was a challenge in #132 to “Please quote even one other line where any biblical figure Mary were called “Full of Grace”, let alone by an angel.”
You did not, and I pointed that out.
If you want to skate past that by changing the challenge to “the meaning of all those verses,” well, I suppose in doing so admit the poverty of your original response to the challenge.
The church is made up of all Bible-believing Christians who kneel to none but Christ.
It is to weep.
I invite you to read 203.
So, what's new? It's getting to be the standard. If they've lost the discussion, twist into something else.
That gift denies the many and minifold errors of Rome whose fruit is available for all to see.
Rome encourages its members to...
1) "fall down to the stock of a tree"
2) view its priestcraft as "another Christ"
3) believe Mary is a "co-Redeemer" and a "dispensatrix of all grace"
4) "worship the Eucharist"
5) embrace the "vain janglings" of the concocted fictions of purgatory and limbo and baptismal regeneration
6) consider decaying relics as talismen of holiness
7) pray to dead people
8) acknowledge other mediators between God and man other than the one mediator, Christ Jesus
9) consider the pope as "infallible" in matters of religion when no man is infallible but Christ...
The list of errors seems endless.
Meanwhile, we Bible-believing Christians are content to receive the word of God and the power of God, as we have for 2,000 years...
"Be not afraid; only believe." -- Mark 5:36
1) Are you filled with grace?
2) Are Christians filled with grace?
***The church is made up of all Bible-believing Christians who kneel to none but Christ.***
Christ? Who or what is Christ to the Reformers? I read the WCF and I find a Christ almost as unrecongizable as the Christ that Joseph Smith peddled. Almost, not quite.
The Church is made up of all those who belong to the entity that Jesus founded and the Holy Spirit commissioned, not anyone who comes up with cherry picked phrases and unrelated Bible quotes.
Catholics are Bible-believing Christians.
Are Christians filled with grace by God?
Caught in a flagrant distortion of my words, you push on, hoping it goes unnoticed.
Despite my grammatical shortcomings in 229, my point is still obvious to all who read this. Your distortion is being noticed.
That's not a personal opinion. That's empirical fact.
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