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To: Uncle Chip
where was Mary appointed to "represent the human race"???

31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. 33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end. [... 48] from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed (Luke 1)

His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye. [...] This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee; and manifested his glory, and his disciples believed in him. (John 2)

thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed. (Luke 2:35)

Woman, behold thy son ... Behold thy mother (John 19)

the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Apoc. 12:17)

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she [some translations say, her seed] shall crush thy head (Gen 3:15)

These verses place Mary in relation to all the Christian Church: all generations of the elect call her blessed; on her urging the Church adopted Christ's first believers; faith of the disciples she continues to adopt is revealed through her maternal suffering; the entire Christian race is called her children, and her seed is predicted to triumph in the end.

if Mary made the choice for the human race, then the human race didn't have freedom of choice, did it?

Correct, human race as a whole had no freedom of choice as far as the Incarnation of Christ is concerned; the only human person consulted about it was Mary.

35 posted on 05/13/2008 10:16:37 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
on her urging the Church adopted Christ's first believers;

Nonsense...There was no adoption...They were Jews...

faith of the disciples she continues to adopt is revealed through her maternal suffering;

More nonsense...Mary has never adopted anyone...And never will...

the entire Christian race is called her children,

You're making that up as well...And, there is no Christian race...

38 posted on 05/13/2008 10:31:58 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: annalex
31 Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. 33 And of his kingdom there shall be no end. [... 48] from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed (Luke 1)

Right -- "call her blessed" not call her "Our Lady", "Our Lady of Perpetual Help", "Queen of Heaven" and all that other stuff.

His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.

Excellent advice. Do what he says not what she says --

Woman, behold thy son ... Behold thy mother (John 19)

And who did she go home with??? Just John or the entire Christian Church of that day???

the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Apoc. 12:17)

Hmmmm??? Have the testimony of Jesus Christ not the testimony of all those Marian visions and Immaculate deceptions.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she [some translations say, her seed] shall crush thy head (Gen 3:15)

"15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

"16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Sola Scriptura shall rule over Mariology despite its desire to the contrary.

46 posted on 05/13/2008 11:06:15 AM PDT by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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