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To: xzins
Who gets caught up to the throne and who goes into the wilderness?

You can specualte as day is long, the fact remains, the woman is identified as the physiological mother of Christ.

Christ ascends to heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. Mary goes to fight Satan with her children (the Church) while out of his reach herself, equipped with wings, till Satan is "cast unto the Earth". The river of slander (your handiwork) does not reach her. So where is she?

47 posted on 05/13/2008 11:20:24 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan
As you have pointed out, it is Christ who ascends in the story of Rev 12. The woman DOES NOT ascend to heaven at any point in the story.

The woman who gave birth is taken to the wilderness where she is protected for "a time, times, and half a time." As many know, this is "time" language from the prophet Daniel.

Therefore, if this is the mother of Jesus, then she also has other children, for it identifies a group known as "the rest of her children."

13 When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. 14 The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. 15 Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. 16 But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring--those who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

The bottom line is that Jesus Ascends. The woman does not. The woman is also the origin of those children who "obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus."

She is called a "sign." It would be wise at this point to see the bible by its word choice giving allowance to think symbolically.

50 posted on 05/13/2008 11:40:50 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain -- Those denying the War was Necessary Do NOT Support the Troops!)
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To: annalex
You can specualte as day is long, the fact remains, the woman is identified as the physiological mother of Christ.

Fortunately, everyone can see this conversation...

Those that study the scriptures know that the woman is Israel...Israel is known as the 'woman' in many places in the O.T...A little bible study would clear up tons of bad Catholic Theology...

Mary goes to fight Satan with her children (the Church) while out of his reach herself, equipped with wings, till Satan is "cast unto the Earth".

Mary's got wings now, eh??? Did she turn into an angel??? What are her weapons??? What does she fight Satan with to whip him???

And Mary fights with her children up there in the sky somewhere, eh??? So if you make it out of purgatory, you get to go battle with Satan??? When does he lose the battle and drop down to earth???

Your Catholic Theology reads like an Edgar Rice Burroughs book...And just as good a fiction that he put out...

65 posted on 05/13/2008 4:39:11 PM PDT by Iscool
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