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VATICAN: AUTOMATIC EXCOMMUNICATION FOR WOMEN PRIESTS
AGI ^ | May 29, 2008

Posted on 05/29/2008 10:39:02 AM PDT by NYer

(AGI) - Vatican City, May 29 - A woman being consecrated as priest besides being invalid, automatically leads to the excommunication of the consecrating bishop and the consecrated woman. A decree issued by the Congregation for Religious Doctrine published today by the 'Osservatore Romano' establishes this. "The Congregation for Religious Doctrine, to protect the nature and validity of the sacrament of the holy order, in virtue of the special faculty to be consecrated by the supreme authority decrees that both the one trying to consecrate a woman in the holy order, and the woman who has tried to receive the holy order, will be excommunicated 'latae sententiae', reserved to the Apostolic See". Such decree is true for all rites in communion with Rome. The text continues that "if he who has tried to consecrate a woman in the holy order or if the woman who has tried to receive the holy order is a faithful subject of the Code of the Rules of the Oriental Churches, he or she will be punished by excommunication, pardon can only be given by the Apostolic See". The decree, specifies the former Holy See, "will come into immediate force from the moment of publication in the 'Osservatore Romano'".
 


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: catholic; excommunication; vatican; womenpriests

1 posted on 05/29/2008 10:39:03 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Lest anyone still harbor any doubts, ping!


2 posted on 05/29/2008 10:39:48 AM PDT by NYer (John 6:51-58)
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To: NYer

But priests who give the sacrament to supporters of abortion do not get excommunicated.

Why I am NOT a Catholic!


3 posted on 05/29/2008 10:47:20 AM PDT by stockpirate (McCain has betrayed his conservative roots, conservatives and America.)
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To: NYer

Part of the reason St Stanislaus here is in trouble is that they put two “womynpriests” on their board.


4 posted on 05/29/2008 10:48:23 AM PDT by steve8714 (If they leave you alone are you free or at peace?)
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To: NYer
Can I get a Woot Woot!?!
5 posted on 05/29/2008 10:48:42 AM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: NYer

From what I’ve read, most of these consecrations have been performed in secret. Does the excommunication occur when it happens or when it is discovered?


6 posted on 05/29/2008 10:48:48 AM PDT by SmithL (Reject Obama's Half-Vast Wright-Wing Conspiracy)
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To: stockpirate
"But priests who give the sacrament to supporters of abortion do not get excommunicated."

KNOWN abortion supporters maybe...but the logistical impossibility of determining who exactly IS a supporter and who is NOT a supporter kinda' makes this concept hard to implement, however laudable the ends...

7 posted on 05/29/2008 10:52:47 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Proud member of the largest 'Hate Group' in the USA...The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy")
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To: NYer

IMHO, this would have been the appropriate time to also include the lispers, feyers, and other metrosexual feminine wanabees trapped in a man’s body.


8 posted on 05/29/2008 10:53:21 AM PDT by UncleSam
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To: NYer

An example of effective church discipline. Glad to see it.


9 posted on 05/29/2008 11:03:27 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: SmithL

Yes.


10 posted on 05/29/2008 11:05:59 AM PDT by starlifter
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To: steve8714

Part of the reason St Stanislaus here is in trouble is that they put two “womynpriests” on their board.

News today in Springfield is that Fr. Bozack has been excommunicated.


11 posted on 05/29/2008 11:14:40 AM PDT by Ravens70
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To: stockpirate

I understand your concerns, and there are Bishops who are beginning to tell politicians, who support Abortion rights, to not present themselves for Holy Communion. If someone comes up for Communion and is a Catholic, I don’t think Priests ask a person in the Communion line whether they are in state of Grace and thus full communion with God and the Church. It is up to an individual to discern their conscious and not present themself for Communion. Some Bishops are beginning to publicy state that if a Politician publicly states, “I am a Catholic and I personally, blah, blah, but I support x y, or z”, which contradicts Church teaching, then that person should not go to Communion. Cardinal Egan recently asked Rudy Guliani to not go to Communion and the Governor of Kansas was told the same thing by her Local Bishop. Abp Burke of St. Louis, Chaput of Denver have done the same thing.

So, the tide is slowly turning.


12 posted on 05/29/2008 11:19:17 AM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: NYer

DUH!!!


13 posted on 05/29/2008 11:41:00 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: stockpirate

Oh PLEASE! You aren’t a Catholic because you are probably a doubter or LAZY and WEAK...not because a Priest gives Holy Communion to a person who MIGHT have gone to CONFESSION about their pro-abortion views!!


14 posted on 05/29/2008 11:43:02 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: CTrent1564

***So, the tide is slowly turning.***

With the sterling work done by JPII and the .999 gold work being done by BXVI, I think that the tide has already turned.

A very strong indicator of this is the increasingly close relationship with the East. With God’s help, the schism will end in my lifetime; I pray for this and for His Church, and for us all.


15 posted on 05/29/2008 11:43:50 AM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: sr4402

“An example of effective church discipline. Glad to see it.”

“An example of effectively keeping the church male dominated and 1,500 years behind the times.” Not glad to see it. There, I fixed it.


16 posted on 05/29/2008 11:52:30 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: NYer

Excellent!


17 posted on 05/29/2008 11:53:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: theKid51
ping

The takes issue with the Can't ..............

18 posted on 05/29/2008 12:06:04 PM PDT by bmwcyle (If God wanted us to be Socialist, Karl Marx would have been born in America.)
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To: CTrent1564
I am a Jew. Do Catholics talk to G-d in prayer and receive guidance with an open mind and heart? Prayer can be a liberation, not a sentence.
19 posted on 05/29/2008 12:22:50 PM PDT by airforceF4
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To: NYer

This is a rhetorical question - but why does the MSM single out the Catholic Church for criticism when it seeks to maintain its catechism and beliefs, and tries to maintain order in the Church? Has one ever heard a news report of Gays wanting to be married in a Synoguage or Mosque? I am sure there also are women who are seeking to become Rabbis, no? Where are the reports on that? Has the MSM ever asked the Tibetans why their Lamas are never reincarnated as women? Isn’t that sexist? Where are the protesters?

The Catholic Church has the unique distinction of trying to defend the faith against persecution - not necessarily of outright Governmental type (although some is there), but rather the unprecedented persecution of society.


20 posted on 05/29/2008 12:33:53 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: HappyinAZ
“An example of effectively keeping the church male dominated and 1,500 years behind the times.” Not glad to see it. There, I fixed it.

You may not be glad to see it, for whatever reason, but in my opinion, the acceptance of women as leaders of the church is exactly what has led so many Protestant denominations to water down their theology in order to be more "inclusive". As a result, you get abominations like the Episcopelians who now ordain practicing homosexuals, perform gay marriages, and other such blasphemous nonsense.
21 posted on 05/29/2008 12:38:40 PM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: airforceF4

I am not sure there is a question, or a statement of opinion. I will assume it is a question and answer accordingly. Catholics pray at Liturgy/Sunday Mass to the Father, through the Son, with the Holy Spirit. The goal of Catholic Prayer is not for be to confirmed in my sins, but liberation from them, which is true and authentic freedom. The freedom to live by God’s grace to do what is good and Holy.

If you are stating that you, as a Jewish person, think the Catholic Church should ordain women, well hmmmm. I am going to petition the Vatican, dear Pope Benedict, there is a shortage of mothers in the U.S. due to abortion, so to increase the vocation to motherhood, I want the Catholic Church to infallibly declare that men (like me) can get pregnant and give birth to childrent. Failure on your part in doing so is mean, repressive, totalitarian, and patriarchial. So when the Pope says I, as a man, can be a mother, then perhaps we will talk about women priests!!!!


22 posted on 05/29/2008 12:49:16 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: MarkBsnr

Actually, I agree with you. The Tide has indeed turned.

Deo Gratia


23 posted on 05/29/2008 12:50:45 PM PDT by CTrent1564
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To: UncleSam
IMHO, this would have been the appropriate time to also include the lispers, feyers, and other metrosexual feminine wanabees trapped in a man’s body.

I have to respectfully (partly) disagree with you. While those who aren't fit to be spiritual fathers should never be ordained (which DOES need to be repeated, AGAIN), they can be validly ordained. Women can never be validly ordained, thus this is a situation that should be treated in and of itself.

24 posted on 05/29/2008 1:35:37 PM PDT by GCC Catholic (Sour grapes make terrible whine.)
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To: HappyinAZ
“An example of effectively keeping the church male dominated and 1,500 years behind the times.”

The Apostle Paul, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit said not to put a woman over a man because of the created order. See 1 Corinthians 11:3, and 1 Timothy 2:12-14. In order to get around these verses, many have attacked the inerrancy and authority of the Scriptures and as you say 'Keeping the Church male dominated' IE in the Dark ages.

The only problem, is that attacking the Scriptures attacks the Savior behind them and once He and the Scriptures are eliminated the Church looses it's saltiness and witness to the World about the Savior who Saves.

The current pattern for churches embracing women over men ministries are that they have been abandoning the Father, Son (the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ) and the Holy Spirit (our only comforter) in favor of "Mother, Womb and Child", often quickly abandoning the Worship of the Savior for a false pagan God such as Gaia.

Folks may not like the Scriptures, but they are the only rule of faith and law in the church if the church is to survive.

25 posted on 05/30/2008 7:18:06 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: fr_freak
I've never heard that the Catholic Church refuses to ordain women into the priesthood because it will lead to ordaining homosexuals, because gay marriages will take place within the church, "and other such blasphemous nonsense."

Please cite the sources of your claim.

26 posted on 05/31/2008 11:11:55 PM PDT by IIntense (o)
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To: IIntense

The Church doesn’t ordain women because Christ only called men to be his apostles, standing for Him at the consecration and in confession.

The consequences of dismissing this include such blasphemies as listed above, but these consequences are not the reason the Church acts as it does, no more than fear of venereal disease is why it teaches chastity.


27 posted on 05/31/2008 11:19:15 PM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: EnigmaticAnomaly
KNOWN abortion supporters maybe...

The stance of Catholic politicans, like all other politicians, on every issue, is public knowledge. The Catholic hierarchy is not blimd to their public opinions.

Therefore, if John Kerry or Rudy Giulani join with others in the congregation to receive Communion, and they are recognized, where does the pastor, the officiating priest, or an extraordinary minister receive the authority to "aid and abet" the commission of what the Church says is a serious sin?

28 posted on 05/31/2008 11:41:58 PM PDT by IIntense (o)
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To: Philo-Junius; fr_freak
I know the reasons the Church has for not ordaining women, and when that was officially decreed, I doubt they were worrying that it would lead to homosexuality, e.g. in the priesthood.

fr_freak is obviously misinformed and I'm mildly interested in knowing the source of that comment.

29 posted on 05/31/2008 11:52:45 PM PDT by IIntense (o)
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To: IIntense

I didn’t read fr_freak to be arguing that the Church offered those consequences as its reasons, just that they were logical effects of the cause.


30 posted on 06/01/2008 12:00:54 AM PDT by Philo-Junius (One precedent creates another. They soon accumulate and constitute law.)
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To: IIntense
I know the reasons the Church has for not ordaining women, and when that was officially decreed, I doubt they were worrying that it would lead to homosexuality, e.g. in the priesthood.

Interesting interpretation of my post that you have there. I never said that the Catholic Church does not allow women to be priests because they are afraid of homosexuality-related blasphemies. I said this, exactly: "the acceptance of women as leaders of the church is exactly what has led so many Protestant denominations to water down their theology in order to be more "inclusive"."

I cited the homosexual marriage thing as an example of this watering down. Is that clear enough?
31 posted on 06/01/2008 12:42:35 AM PDT by fr_freak (So foul a sky clears not without a storm.)
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To: sr4402

Bologna....customs change...think for your self and apply the ethics/intentions/values of Christ...


32 posted on 06/05/2008 8:14:31 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: HappyinAZ
customs change

It isn't a custom.

apply the ethics/intentions/values of Christ

How about we stick to his actual deeds and words, instead of jumping to self-validating conclusions about his "ethics," "intentions," and "values"?

Oh, and we're not 1500 behind the times. We're 2000 years behind the times, and proud of it.

33 posted on 06/05/2008 8:34:30 AM PDT by Campion
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To: HappyinAZ
Its an APOSTOLIC Church.
You have the freedom to leave if you are a member. I invite you to stay and read the reasons behind this “tradition” as you call it.
Some people just don't seem to get it. While trends and traditions change the church stays the same as it was taught over 2000 years ago.
You don't compromise with Christ.
34 posted on 06/05/2008 8:41:20 AM PDT by Havok (MOLON LABE!!!!)
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To: Havok

silly response...slavery was a “tradition”....this is 2008 and old guys made these Catholic “traditions” 2000 years ago. They designed the mass, the dress, the rules. NOT Christ. Time to do the right thing. Let Priests marry and let women have equal roles as “ministers” to the the people.

Christ would want you to be honest/open/truthful and fair....not a “blind” follower of old traditions.


35 posted on 06/05/2008 9:47:06 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: HappyinAZ
Bologna....

Sorry to see you saying Bologna... to the Holy Scriptures. The Lord Jesus Christ takes each one of these seriously as none of His Words will ever pass away.

In our church, we hold that the Holy Scriptures are Inerrant, Authoritative and Plenary (complete). We hold that "The Scriptures are the only rule of faith and practice in the church".

Those who want to become members are asked to affirm this and it eliminates bickering, posturing and other problems. You have no idea how nice it is to be in a church where believers can gather together, have unity and a solid basis for common ground.

Our women rejoice in their unique roles - which are now despised in the world.

So I urge you to rethink your opposition to the Holy Scriptures. Peter said to Christ "Where else will we get the Words of Eternal life. Peter was right.

36 posted on 06/05/2008 11:35:26 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: HappyinAZ
Who are you to speak for Him?
How do you know what He would say. Apostolic means He chose men. I'm sorry, I argue with FACT.

Also,

Slavery wasn't a tradition is was economics.

37 posted on 06/05/2008 1:33:23 PM PDT by Havok (MOLON LABE!!!!)
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To: Havok

So let me understand this...only Priests can speak for Christ? You aren’t arguing “facts”...just a bunch of man made traditions that can be changed as easily as they were established. THINK for yourself!


38 posted on 06/06/2008 9:43:03 AM PDT by HappyinAZ
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To: HappyinAZ
I do think for myself. No one forces me to be Catholic.
What you are trying to do is change something that, if you are not a Catholic, does not affect you.
Men are imperfect (IE Priests etc..) BUT Christ was not and He chose men as Apostles. We follow the example left for us. If you don't like it then you can leave. The Church is not oppressing women, and no man is FORCED into being a priest and taking a vow of celibacy. If you are Catholic then perhaps you might want to reconsider it.
39 posted on 06/06/2008 3:27:55 PM PDT by Havok (MOLON LABE!!!!)
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