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Messianic Judiasm Pastor using NASA on Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015
http://mygomediaarsenal.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/blood-moon-eclipses-2nd-coming-in-2015/ ^ | April 30th, 2008 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 06/13/2008 8:18:28 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear

And can studying NASA’s website provide evidence for such a scenario?

A minister who promotes the Old Testament roots of Christianity suggests a rare string of lunar and solar eclipses said to fall on God’s annual holy days seven years from now could herald what’s come to be known as the “Second Coming” of Jesus.

“God wants us to look at the biblical calendar,” says Mark Biltz, pastor of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash. “The reason we need to be watching is [because] He will signal His appearance. But we have to know what to be watching as well. So we need to be watching the biblical holidays.”

In a video interview on the Prophecy in the News website, Biltz said he’s been studying prophecies that focus on the sun and moon, even going back to the book of Genesis where it states the lights in the sky would be “be for signs, and for seasons.”

He states after 2015 there are no more Eclipses that fall on the Jewish Passover ever.

This would mean coming this fall would be the Final Tribulation marking Daniel's 70th week. (The last 7 years)


TOPICS: General Discusssion; Religion & Science; Theology
KEYWORDS: 2015; astrology; godsgravesglyphs; nasa; pastor; prophecy; rapturefever
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1 posted on 06/13/2008 8:18:28 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear
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To: Raineygoodyear

Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government ping.


2 posted on 06/13/2008 8:20:40 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: Raineygoodyear

Biltz says, “You have the religious year beginning with the total solar eclipse, two weeks later a total lunar eclipse on Passover, and then the civil year beginning with the solar eclipse followed two weeks later by another total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth all in 2015.”

“If you think that this is a coincidence, I want you to know that it’s time!” exclaimed Prophecy in the News host J.R. Church. “There are no more of these for the rest of the century.”


3 posted on 06/13/2008 8:20:47 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear
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To: Raineygoodyear

He’s off by 1,945 years.


4 posted on 06/13/2008 8:21:57 AM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: Raineygoodyear

That’s 7 years from now. That means the rapture will happen before the year is out. The second coming has to be at least 7 years after the rapture.


5 posted on 06/13/2008 8:23:03 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Raineygoodyear

I think there’s something in the Bible about no man knowing the day or hour. In other words, the only way this guy is right is if by blind luck.


6 posted on 06/13/2008 8:29:38 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: demshateGod

Assuming there will be a pre-trib rapture. This is not a universal belief among christians, myself included.


7 posted on 06/13/2008 8:34:03 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: Raineygoodyear

Rev 22:20 Amen.


8 posted on 06/13/2008 8:35:19 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: XeniaSt

Ping and any thoughts?


9 posted on 06/13/2008 8:36:40 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: demshateGod

That would be November 4th and the Olympics in Chicago is when?


10 posted on 06/13/2008 8:37:08 AM PDT by WakeUpAndVote (Huh?)
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To: messierhunter

Some interesting points, including an attempt to refute common views of “day or hour” quotes from Scripture.

I am not convinced, and I am not pre-trib so 7 years deal has no meaning for me.

But, who knows. It seems like we have been waiting for the second coming for forever. In God’s timing, barely a day has passed......it could still be 10,000 years from now.


11 posted on 06/13/2008 8:38:38 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Raineygoodyear

REPENT

The end is near!


12 posted on 06/13/2008 8:41:04 AM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: mountainlion
"If you're planting a tree and hear that the moshiach is come,
first finish the planting, then go to greet him."
13 posted on 06/13/2008 8:46:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Raineygoodyear

“This would mean coming this fall would be the Final Tribulation marking Daniel’s 70th week. (The last 7 years)”

This applies only if one buys into the false construct known as dispensationalism.


14 posted on 06/13/2008 8:46:28 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

Actually, it will apply if it’s true. What one believes about it is immaterial.

susie


15 posted on 06/13/2008 8:47:22 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: demshateGod

Christ will return only ONE time - for His church and to judge the world. The ‘secret rapture’ is a fabrication not found in Scripture.


16 posted on 06/13/2008 8:47:29 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: rwfromkansas
God’s timing, barely a day has passed......it could still be 10,000 years from now.

No, in God's time, two days have passed and we're into the third day...Or if you count from Genesis 1, we are just into the 7th day...The day of REST...

And how long is a day to God??? One day is 1000 years...A MILLENIUM...

17 posted on 06/13/2008 8:52:32 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: babble-on

Arthur: I am your king!

Woman: Well I didn’t vote for you!

Arthur: You don’t vote for kings.

Woman: Well how’d you become king then?

[Angelic music plays...]
Arthur: The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. THAT is why I am your king!

Dennis: (interrupting) Listen, strange women lyin’ in ponds distributin’ swords is no basis for a system of government! Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcicial aquatic ceremony!

Arthur: Be quiet!

Dennis: Oh but you can’t expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you!

Arthur: SHUT UP!


18 posted on 06/13/2008 8:53:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
This applies only if one buys into the false construct known as dispensationalism.

This applies whether you buy into it or not...

19 posted on 06/13/2008 8:53:58 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: 444Flyer
September 29, 2008 at sunset
is the feast of Trumpets.

20 posted on 06/13/2008 8:54:47 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

And what’s the significance of that?


21 posted on 06/13/2008 8:57:40 AM PDT by pgkdan (Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: JamesP81
I think there’s something in the Bible about no man knowing the day or hour.

You think??? You don't study the scripture???

But you are right...But why do you guys ignore the verses that say we (Christians) will KNOW the TIMES, and the SEASONS??? If you're a Christian, and you love God's word, you will know the times and the seasons when HE shall show up...

22 posted on 06/13/2008 8:57:49 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg
Christ will return only ONE time - for His church and to judge the world. The ‘secret rapture’ is a fabrication not found in Scripture.

You mean YOU haven't found it in scripture...Millions of other folks HAVE found it...Hey, maybe God blinded your mind to it...

23 posted on 06/13/2008 9:00:16 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: rwfromkansas
But, who knows. It seems like we have been waiting for the second coming for forever. In God’s timing, barely a day has passed......it could still be 10,000 years from now.

This is true, and I would not give too much weight to this guy's claims, interesting as they are. But to the last point I have to offer some slight disagreement; I believe the tribulation will affect every human, and in order for that to be so, every human must still call earth their long-term home.

Temporary visits to other worlds for exploration are one thing; the astronaut still comes home at the end of the mission, but I believe the second coming must happen before humans can be born, live, and die on another world without ever coming to earth. For that reason, I think it will happen sooner rather than later. That doesn't even necessarily mean our lifetime or even our children's lifetime, but I wouldn't be surprised for it to mean our grandchildren or great-granchildren's lifetime at least. And because this would be an upper-limit, it could always happen sooner than that. Just another reason to cherish every moment and make the best of it to be able to bring more to Christ.
24 posted on 06/13/2008 9:03:20 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: XeniaSt

What makes you say that? My daughter will only be able 28 days old at that point, so I guess it sucks to be my family...


25 posted on 06/13/2008 9:05:12 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: messierhunter

*be about 28 days old.


26 posted on 06/13/2008 9:05:37 AM PDT by messierhunter
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To: topcat54

This is right up our alley...


27 posted on 06/13/2008 9:06:50 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?" -- Galatians 4:16)
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To: rwfromkansas
But, who knows. It seems like we have been waiting for the second coming for forever. In God’s timing, barely a day has passed......it could still be 10,000 years from now.

God will bring this world to an end at the moment He has chosen. Until then, the point of watching for His coming is so that a person will not be caught unawares if Christ comes during that person's life time.
28 posted on 06/13/2008 9:07:49 AM PDT by JamesP81 (George Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a suggestion)
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To: pgkdan
It is also called Rosh Hashanah.

YHvH's New Years day.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

29 posted on 06/13/2008 9:08:03 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

Rosh Hashanah...1Cor 15:51-53, 1 Thes 4:15-17, I pray.


30 posted on 06/13/2008 9:17:41 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: 444Flyer
The Jew looks for a sign and the Greek looks for wisdom.

This year is a sabbatical year; seven years from now will be another sabbatical year.

Is there anything special in the year 2014 or 2015 ?

Scripturally that is; let's ignore the Aztec calendar for now.

NAU Revelation 6:12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there
was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth
made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood;

Joel 2:
28 "It will come about after this That I will pour out My Spirit on all mankind; And your sons and daughters will prophesy, Your old men will dream dreams, Your young men will see visions.

29 "Even on the male and female servants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

30 "I will display wonders in the sky and on the earth, Blood, fire and columns of smoke.

31 "The sun will be turned into darkness And the moon into blood Before the great and awesome day of the LORD comes.

32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the LORD Will be delivered; For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem There will be those who escape, As the LORD has said, Even among the survivors whom the LORD calls.
The sun darkens and the moon becomes like blood.

Solar and Lunar Eclipses perhaps ?

Lunar Eclipses

The four lunar eclipses will occur on:

Passover, April 15, 2014
and
The Feast of Tabernacles, October 8, 2014

Passover, April 4, 2015 and
and
The Feast of Tabernacles, September 28, 2015
This sequence of four signs ( eclipses) on YHvH's feasts does not occur often,
the last time was 1967-1968 (six day war and the capture of Jerusalem)
and 1949-1950 ( the year after the State of Israel was formed)
and 1493 the year after the Jews were expelled from Spain.

During 2014 - 2015 there will also be Solar Eclipses on YHvH's feast days:

Adar 29/Nisan 1, March 20, 2015
Tishri 1, The Feast of Trumpets, September 13, 2015

What is coming up this year and next?

Av 1 - August 1, 2008 - partial eclipse
Av 1 - July 22, 2009 - partial eclipse
Av 1 - July 11, 2010 - partial eclipse
In the Jewish calendar, they are all on the first of Av, the day when Jews
lament the destruction of their temples. As the story goes, Moses caught
the people worshiping the Golden Calf on Tammuz 17. Therefore, the three weeks
from Tammuz 17 to Av 9 are called “the dark time” and “between the straits.”
It is the most sorrowful time of the year for Jews. From Av 1-9, no bathing
is allowed; no comforts; no clean clothes; the Jew takes his shoes off; sits
on an overturned chair and reads the book of Lamentations.


Messianic Pastor Mark Biltz discovered these signs occurring on YHvH's Feast days.

For a deeper understanding of potential Prophetic events,
possibly pointing to Daniel's seventieth week.

Read Solar and Lunar Eclipses in 2014/15 by J. R. Church
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

31 posted on 06/13/2008 9:21:04 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: messierhunter
See 31 above
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

32 posted on 06/13/2008 9:22:34 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Raineygoodyear

An interesting idea.

The way it’s looking now . . . will be a LOT less people by then.


33 posted on 06/13/2008 9:24:15 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: XeniaSt

Thanks Xenia.

Shalom b’Shem Yah’shua


34 posted on 06/13/2008 9:32:14 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Marriage=One man+One woman! Vote to amend the California State Constitution this November.)
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To: JamesP81
I think there’s something in the Bible about no man knowing the day or hour. In other words, the only way this guy is right is if by blind luck.

For anyone who has read and understands the Holy Word of Elohim
the phrase "not know the day nor hour"

means only one day, that is the YHvH commanded Feast day of Trumpets.

It only occurs when three stars and the new cresent moon
is viewed over Jerusalem by the members of the Sanhedrin.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
35 posted on 06/13/2008 9:32:21 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: 444Flyer
Thanks Xenia.

Shalom b’Shem Yah’shua

Amen and amain !
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
36 posted on 06/13/2008 9:34:24 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

“....is a fabrication not found in Scripture.”

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The whole context can only mean the rapture. Then he comes at the end of the tribulation and sets down upon the Mt of Olives.


37 posted on 06/13/2008 9:38:23 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: messierhunter

“This is not a universal belief among christians, myself included.”

None the less, there will be a pre-trib rapture according to Thessalonians and other scriptures. Good people can disagree on this but the people who aren’t pre-trib are wrong.


38 posted on 06/13/2008 9:42:40 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Iscool

Sorry - I’ve read boo-coo articles and a couple books on dispy theory and it doesn’t hold water.

IF you find a secret rapture in Scripture show it to “blind” me. IF you find a reference to Christ returning twice more, show it me.


39 posted on 06/13/2008 9:44:29 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: demshateGod

The rapture of the church is sure ‘nough in Scripture - note that the verse you cited does not tell WHEN it takes place. Christ only returns one more time - not twice.


40 posted on 06/13/2008 9:45:22 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: JamesP81

“I think there’s something in the Bible about no man knowing the day or hour.”

That’s true but if he’s right, which I doubt, the rapture could be between now and up to exactly 7 years before the return. So the day and hour is still not known. But is that passage talking about the second coming or when Jesus comes in the clouds?


41 posted on 06/13/2008 9:46:29 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: WakeUpAndVote

Olympics in Chicago? Is that a figure of speech I’m not aware of?


42 posted on 06/13/2008 9:46:43 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: Iscool

Dream away. The “gap theory” in Daniel’s prophecy ain’t in Scripture - it’s a dispy fabrication.


43 posted on 06/13/2008 9:47:29 AM PDT by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: Iscool

the scripture saying a thousand years is like a day does not say it is LITERALLY a day to God.....it is LIKE it.

I do not get those who try to say that is some sort of God calendar.


44 posted on 06/13/2008 9:49:24 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: JamesP81

You are right...even JESUS doesn’t know ‘when’. FWIW...luck is a derivative of lucifer.


45 posted on 06/13/2008 9:49:55 AM PDT by mommadooo3 (Old concept in justice. If the law won't take care of it, it's just us.)
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To: Iscool

“This applies whether you buy into it or not...”

Amen! Preach it!


46 posted on 06/13/2008 9:50:14 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: demshateGod

Then Christians for most of history were wrong.......pre-tribbers are a recent incarnation except for a few historical pre-tribs in the middle ages and later.


47 posted on 06/13/2008 9:51:22 AM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: Iscool

“you will know the times and the seasons when HE shall show up...”

That’s because the Bible is very clear on when He shows up. Exactly 7 years after the Anti-Christ signs the peace treaty with Israel. Christians who are alive now will be caught up when Christ returns in the air. Those people who get saved after the peace treaty will know exactly when Christ will return.


48 posted on 06/13/2008 9:52:54 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: messierhunter

She would be raptured too. Hey, my wife and I are having a baby in November, Lord willing. Congratulations!


49 posted on 06/13/2008 9:56:01 AM PDT by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: demshateGod

If GOD’s true church will meet him in the Clouds however that manifests itself then wouldn’t it make more sense that he is talking about believers when he says
*You do not know when your Lord shall Come* But look up! as your redemption draws nigh..

Maybe that means the rapture will definetly be at night maybe when we are sleeping

When he returns to earth to rein will be later when he wipes out the Antichrist.


50 posted on 06/13/2008 9:58:08 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear
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