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More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports
CNA ^ | June 25, 2008

Posted on 06/25/2008 1:38:23 PM PDT by NYer

Washington DC, Jun 25, 2008 / 01:23 am (CNA).- A new survey from Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) indicates that Catholics may lean towards voting for the Democratic candidate for president in the 2008 election.

The CARA polling shows that only 21 percent of all Catholics are either strongly or weakly affiliated with the Republican Party in 2008, compared to 31 percent in 2004. Fewer Catholics identify themselves as Republicans than in any year since 2000.

Among all adult Catholics, 38 percent identify as a weak or strong Democrat, while 22 percent lean Democratic.

Republicans are found to be more numerous among the general electorate Catholic population, with 28 percent identifying themselves as Republicans and 17 percent saying they lean Republican. However, Catholics who attend Mass weekly are still more likely to be Democrats, with 37 percent self-identifying with the party and another 18 percent saying they lean Democrat.

“Overall, these shifting Catholic attitude trends, less support for the use of U.S. military force, more support for higher taxes for wealthy Americans, and increasing acceptance of immigration, may favor the Democrats and Obama,” said Mark Gray, the director of CARA Catholic polls.

Gray said that Democrats still must mobilize well to take advantage of their edge among Catholic voters. “In the past two presidential elections the Republicans have been noted to be more effective at mobilizing voters using religion and religious organizations—often using the issue of abortion,” Gray said.

The CARA poll results suggest a shift in Catholics’ views on several major issues. In 2002, before the Iraq war, 63 percent of adult Catholics agreed “somewhat” or “strongly” with the statement that “The U.S. should be willing to use military force to overthrow governments that support terrorism against the U.S., even if it mean losing lives of U.S. service members.” In 2006, only 43 percent agreed.

Catholic support for a tax on the wealthiest Americans has increased from 52 percent in 2002 to 65 percent in 2006. Catholics are also less likely to agree that the number of immigrants permitted entry into the U.S. should be decreased, with agreement down from 65 percent in 2002 to 54 percent in 2006.

According to the study, pro-abortion sentiment has slightly increased among adult Catholics. In 2002, 55 percent somewhat or strongly agreed with the statement “A woman should have the right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy.” In 2006, the percentage in agreement increased to 58 percent.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Politics
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1 posted on 06/25/2008 1:38:23 PM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/25/2008 1:39:40 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

What a massive catastrophic failure of catechesis.

What hath VII wrought?


3 posted on 06/25/2008 1:40:07 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: NYer

“Overall, these shifting Catholic attitude trends, less support for the use of U.S. military force, more support for higher taxes for wealthy Americans, and increasing acceptance of immigration, may favor the Democrats and Obama,” said Mark Gray, the director of CARA Catholic polls.”

The fruits of Jorge’s Open Border Policies with Mexico.


4 posted on 06/25/2008 1:41:24 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Petronski

The Kennedy’s are all “good Catholics” so it is not surprising. When I was a kid we would chant “Rat, rat, Democrat” And we were Catholic. But times have changed.


6 posted on 06/25/2008 1:43:45 PM PDT by unkus
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To: NYer

What are the stats for us Catholics that take our faith seriously? CINOs are generally Democrats.


7 posted on 06/25/2008 1:48:02 PM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: sandyeggo

I don’t pretend to be a good Catholic but why would anyone of *any* Christian faith vote for a Democrat?


8 posted on 06/25/2008 1:48:42 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: NYer
Not surprising. The religion of LIFE supporting an agent of DEATH, even partial-birth abortion.

Totally disgusting that one who supports free-for-all sex and abortion on demand even during labor, should be supported by such a large group of Catholics in America is truly a sad slide into apostacy.

9 posted on 06/25/2008 1:48:47 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: Petronski

Seems the Catholic Church isn’t doing such a good job against the gates of hell after all...


10 posted on 06/25/2008 1:49:42 PM PDT by Tao Yin (Hey, this thread isn't ecumenical)
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To: NYer

This is absurd BS.


11 posted on 06/25/2008 1:50:43 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: NYer

More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports?

Not this Catholic.


12 posted on 06/25/2008 1:51:35 PM PDT by SeanOGuano
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To: Tao Yin

Which side are you rooting for?


13 posted on 06/25/2008 1:52:10 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: NYer
However, Catholics who attend Mass weekly are still more likely to be Democrats, with 37 percent self-identifying with the party and another 18 percent saying they lean Democrat.

That ANY church-going Catholic could support the party of abortion on demand and homosexual marriage is an absolute disgrace.

I can understand Catholics not being enamored with the GOP. But for so many to be actively identifying themselves as Democrats is a scandal.

Judica me Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta: ab homine iniquo et doloso erue me.
14 posted on 06/25/2008 1:52:29 PM PDT by Antoninus (Every second spent bashing McCain is time that could be spent helping Conservatives downticket.)
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To: zerosix
Not surprising. The religion of LIFE supporting an agent of DEATH, even partial-birth abortion.

Agenda driven polls are not accurate, not news, and not worth discussing.

16 posted on 06/25/2008 1:56:17 PM PDT by oldbrowser (It's not an energy crisis, it's a worthless politicians crisis.)
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To: NYer

I’m not surprised that 99% of Catholics In Name Only are Democrats.


17 posted on 06/25/2008 1:56:21 PM PDT by Argus (Obama: All turban and no goats.)
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To: sandyeggo

It’s sickening, I know. My Catholic family members always voted Democrat and still do, but that was back when there were pro-life Dems.


18 posted on 06/25/2008 1:56:50 PM PDT by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Petronski
“What hath VII wrought?”

Why blame Vatican II? This is what the Catholic Bishops wrought.

When will the Bishops control the Catholic leadership of the Democrat party? They are also THE leadership of the Democrat party.
Why are the two most heavily “Catholic” states the most sinful and disobedient to the Vatican? I am talking about California and Massachusetts.

Why did the Bishops confuse the issue of voting and abortion?

Who started the corrupt unions?

Who supports illegal Immigration?

Who allows gays in drag to take Communion?

Has the church supported ACORN?

I am not anti-Catholic, I am Catholic. I follow the Vatican, do the Bishop's?

19 posted on 06/25/2008 1:58:40 PM PDT by paguch
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To: NYer; antonius
Catholics need to support the Right to Life for all as put forth in the Constitution of the United States.

Therefore --- any Catholic who might vote dimocrat is a Catholic in Name Only (CINO).

For their information -- Obama supports partial birth abortion. No Catholic can, in right conscience, vote for Obama.

I am borrowing a graphic from Antonius. Thanks.


20 posted on 06/25/2008 1:59:55 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer; All

HERE IS THE BOTTOM LINE,
LIVED IT,BEEN THERE,THE IMMIGRANTS FROM EUROPE AND THE ISLE’S WHERE MOSTLY CATHOLIC AND PUT INTO LABOR BY THE EARLY PROTTIES!
KNOW YOUR HISTORY!
THE UNION’S TOOK THE LABOR OR SOCIAL MOVEMENT AND MOST RC’S FOLLOW THE MOVEMENT,INSTEAD OF THE CHURCH.

CHECK MY PROFILE!

SOLI DEO GLORIA!


21 posted on 06/25/2008 2:01:54 PM PDT by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: NYer; All

You’ve gotta see this before it disappears...

http://www.drudgereport.com/


22 posted on 06/25/2008 2:02:19 PM PDT by AliVeritas (If you don't love this country, tear up your passport, leave and live under a dictator.)
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To: paguch
Catholics CANNOT vote for Obama. Instructions from the Bishops of the United States below:

The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)

Obama's Abortion Bombshell: Unrestricted Abortion....

NARAL Catholics Line Up for Obama

Editorial: Disagreeing with Doug Kmiec One More Time

State-Funded Embryo Research "Makes Taxpayers Complicit in Killing", say Bishops

McCain Meets Privately with Fr. Pavone - Says Constitutional Right to Life Applies to Unborn

Faithful Citizenship: “Catholic Vote” is very sought after

Has Obama dissolved his Catholic advisory council?

Commentary: Faithful Citizenship and the Formed Conscience

Catholic League: Where's Obama's 'Catholic Advisory Council'? [Not to be found!]

Right-wing Christians beginning to lean left (Misleading headline)

Catholics Debate Obama Vote

US Bishops Urge Voters to Give Priority to Life [Ecumenical]

Corralling the Catholic vote: Political necessity or pipe dream?

DOUG KMIEC: Catholic Reasons for Hope in the General Election

EDITORIAL: Why This Catholic Dreads the Campaign

The Catholic-Obama Problem (Pope Benedict XVI instructs Catholics about pro-abortion candidates)

Thoughts On ‘Roman Catholics For Obama’

How Obama's Catholics Will Dodge the Infanticide Question

Catholic Pro-Life Leader Feuds With Barack Obama's "Catholic" Backers

McCain and the Pope: McCain cannot win in November without the Catholic vote (Reagan re-visited?)

Catholics Cannot Vote for Pols Who Support Abortion, Except for Morally Grave Reasons: KY Bishops

23 posted on 06/25/2008 2:02:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

Gee, the pollsters didn’t ask me or any of my Catholic Republican friends.


25 posted on 06/25/2008 2:04:53 PM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: darkangel82
Catholics who vote for dimocrats who support abortion are basically excommunicating themselves. Perhaps you should tell your in-laws/relatives!

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here

1: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2271  (618 bytes )  preview document matches
1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2271.htm
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2272.htm
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2322.htm
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4: CCC Search Result - Paragraph # 2274  (554 bytes )  preview document matches
gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
URL: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2274.htm

26 posted on 06/25/2008 2:05:00 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: paguch
Why blame Vatican II?

Lukewarm Liturgy and a rejection of Mysticism have emptied out a lot of seats in the pews, which is where the Catechesis would take place.

Yes, though, I agree with you regarding the USCCB.

27 posted on 06/25/2008 2:10:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Salvation

Born, raised and educated as a Roman Catholic. It’ll be a cold day in hell when any bishop can determine my vote.

No, I do not support Lightnin’. But it has nothing to do with what any bishop, or Pope for that matter says.


28 posted on 06/25/2008 2:11:07 PM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: NYer

How anyone who purports to be Christian can vote democrat is beyond me especially Catholics ( maybe CINO’s I guess ).

I was at a ladies house yesterday, 73 year old widow, devoted Baptist, just a fine woman who had all sorts of Hussein literature around her house. I don’t get it.


29 posted on 06/25/2008 2:12:39 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: NYer

Makes sense.

What religion are Latinos?

As their influence grows so shall the Churches.


30 posted on 06/25/2008 2:35:49 PM PDT by NoLibZone (When Shall We Have The Courage Our Founders Had? It's Time For The 2nd American Revolution.)
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To: Resolute Conservative

That scene evokes shivers. May the Lord convert her heart and mind.


31 posted on 06/25/2008 2:35:53 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Petronski
What a massive catastrophic failure of catechesis.
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Wichita, Kansas, has **free** tuition for its Catholic youth. How do they pay for it? Answer: All Catholic parishioners are asked to tithe.

So??...I wonder?

Of the tithing paying Catholics in Wichita, and their kids graduating from their Catholic schools, I wonder how many support Democrats who promote abortion, push partial birth abortion, call for sex education in government schools , distribute birth control to minors, condone sex out of marriage, oppose school vouchers and tax credits, and legislate for homosexual marriage????

( Just wondering?)

Personally, I believe most of these polls reflex the opinions of Catholics who graduated from government schools and are now merely CINOs.

The statistics for evangelical youth (from strong and active Christian families) who graduate from government school, remaining faithful in their faith is ABYSMAL. Some studies show more than 88% leave their faith. Why would be any different for Catholic kids?

Also...Worse, studies show that youth graduating from government schools, who **claim** to be Christian hold beliefs that disqualify them from being Christian. Why would Catholic Christian youth have a better outcome?

If you want your kid to be Catholic, **homeschool** them!!!!
This is your **best** bet for keeping them active in the faith.... or... ( second best) get them into a Catholic school that teaches Catholicism and **not** Marxist Liberation Theology!

32 posted on 06/25/2008 2:41:40 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: NYer

Those Catholics who would pull the lever for a candidate of the party of death, abortion and socialism aren’t very good Catholics.


33 posted on 06/25/2008 2:42:04 PM PDT by CWWren (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress....but I repeat myself.)
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To: Roccus
But it has nothing to do with what any bishop, or Pope for that matter says.

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I sincerely hope that it would have plenty to do with the candidates position on:

Abortion
Partial Birth Abortion
Marriage between a man and woman
Homosexual “rights”
Birth control distribution by the government ( especially in the schools)
Sex education in the government schools
Pushing homosexuality in the schools.
Vouchers and tax credits for private schools ( Catholic schools)
All First Amendment provisions.

The wrong stand on any of these issues should be a deal killer for any believing and practicing Christian ( Catholic or Protestant)!

34 posted on 06/25/2008 2:46:50 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: darkangel82

Because their unions tell them to.


35 posted on 06/25/2008 2:48:20 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: wintertime

Among other things.


36 posted on 06/25/2008 2:52:38 PM PDT by Roccus (Someday it'll all make sense.....maybe.)
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To: NoLibZone

Mexico is a socialist country and has been in practice, if not name for over 100 years. That has a much bigger impact on it than being Catholic.


37 posted on 06/25/2008 2:56:10 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Jaded

I thought this thread was about the US.


38 posted on 06/25/2008 2:58:53 PM PDT by NoLibZone (When Shall We Have The Courage Our Founders Had? It's Time For The 2nd American Revolution.)
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To: darkangel82
I don’t pretend to be a good Catholic but why would anyone of *any* Christian faith vote for a Democrat?

Why? Because they attended atheistic government schools that teach **all** subjects from a godless point of worldview!

Please read post #32. **That** is why Christians who should know better vote Democratic! By the time they graduate from government school, they are no longer Catholic. They are really Secular Humanists and don't even know it!

The research data on the success of the public schools in indoctrinating Christian youth with humanistic or neo-pagan worldviews is overwhelming. The Nehemiah Institute's worldview PEERS test shows that 83-percent of the children from committed Christian families in public schools adopt a secular humanist or Marxist socialist worldview. At the SBC's 2002 annual meeting, the Southern Baptist Council on Family Life reported, among other disturbing things, that 88-percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at age 18. Barna Research reports that only 9-percent of born-again teens believe in moral absolutes, and more than half believe that Jesus sinned while He was on earth. We believe the fact that 80-percent of Christian families send their children to public schools is a prime reason for this lost legacy.

http://www.exodusmandate.org/art_20050404-salt-and-light.htm

39 posted on 06/25/2008 2:59:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: NYer
This should not be so surprising. The migration of Catholics to the GOP was more due more to their anti-communist world views rather than abortion. China and Russia war threats are no longer Washington concerns. Choice is now included with the GOP’s open tent.

The Reagan Democrats who jumped to Perot are are hearing the job sucking sound and feeling the pressure of inflation. They are now more tuned into family economic issues, including jobs, health care and education costs. On social issues, helping the poor recruits more people at Church than abortion clinic protests.

The trains are passing each other in the night.

40 posted on 06/25/2008 3:04:20 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Jaded
Mexico is a socialist country
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It is communism that drives **all** socialists.

Communism **is** a religion. It is the invalid, irrational, and impossible belief that human and human society can be perfected on this earth.

Scratch a liberal and under his thin skin is a socialist. Dig a little deeper and you will soon find the Marxist nuclear fuel rod that drives everything he says and does!

Scratch a Mexican socialist and his thin “Catholic” skin quickly disintegrates. What **really** drives him is the religion of Marxism.

41 posted on 06/25/2008 3:05:52 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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According to the study, pro-abortion sentiment has slightly increased among adult Catholics Poser wanna be Catholics. In 2002, 55 percent somewhat or strongly agreed with the statement “A woman should have the right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy.” In 2006, the percentage in agreement increased to 58 percent.

Fixed it

42 posted on 06/25/2008 3:17:50 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

This begs the question: what is a Catholic? Is it an ethnicity? Or is it a religion? Because if it’s a religion....


43 posted on 06/25/2008 3:25:48 PM PDT by Stingray51
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To: wintertime
If you want your kid to be Catholic, **homeschool** give them a solid foundation and good Cathechesis !!!! This is your **best** bet for keeping them active in the faith.... or... ( second best) get them into a Catholic school that teaches Catholicism and **not** Marxist Liberation Theology!
44 posted on 06/25/2008 3:38:24 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: SeanOGuano
More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports? Not this Catholic.

Add another.

45 posted on 06/25/2008 3:51:50 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: Petronski
What hath VII wrought?

I'm sorry but you can't keep laying the blame on the Council. Society, at large, was going through a major shakeup at the time the council was convened. That certain bishops were influenced by the culture may be true but the council, as a whole, cannot be taken to task.

Recall that upon his election as pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI stated that his mission would be to implement Vatican Council II. That is what we are now seeing.

46 posted on 06/25/2008 4:01:02 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: Tao Yin; Petronski
Seems the Catholic Church isn’t doing such a good job against the gates of hell after all...

Nonsense! Did God not imbue mankind with a free will? How people vote has no effect on the Catholic Church or its Divine foundation.

47 posted on 06/25/2008 4:05:54 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: wintertime

Exactly. And so many of them are clueless. Kept in the little enclaves fed more b/s by liberals who want to keep the lemmings in check.


48 posted on 06/25/2008 4:11:20 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Antoninus
That ANY church-going Catholic could support the party of abortion on demand and homosexual marriage is an absolute disgrace.

I know many of these Catholic Democrats, including my mother. They are 'attached' to the party through recollection of the good they did for 'their families' in the past. These are not free thinkers but followers. It is very challenging to persuade them to vote outside 'their' party.

49 posted on 06/25/2008 4:11:53 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: verga
give them a solid foundation and good Cathechesis ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And the **most** effective religious education is likely to occur in **homeschooling**:

Research by Dr. Brian Ray, founder of NHERI, found that 94% of all homeschooled children retained their faith into adulthood.

The second best place is in a faith based private school:

The Nehemiah Institute’s worldview testing shows that students in Christian schools reject moral relativism at a rate 500% higher than Christian children attending public schools.

So?....It is likely that there are parents who will willfully deny the research and facts. If so, I can sell them a bucket of sand for them to bury their heads.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:kY4WNVux_NIJ:www.exodusmandate.org/20070503-resolution/2007-letter-to-committee-members.doc+Barna+Shortt+Christian+high+school+88%25+faith+homeschool&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

50 posted on 06/25/2008 4:13:22 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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