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More Catholics leaning towards Democrats, poll reports
CNA ^ | June 25, 2008

Posted on 06/25/2008 1:38:23 PM PDT by NYer

Washington DC, Jun 25, 2008 / 01:23 am (CNA).- A new survey from Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA) indicates that Catholics may lean towards voting for the Democratic candidate for president in the 2008 election.

The CARA polling shows that only 21 percent of all Catholics are either strongly or weakly affiliated with the Republican Party in 2008, compared to 31 percent in 2004. Fewer Catholics identify themselves as Republicans than in any year since 2000.

Among all adult Catholics, 38 percent identify as a weak or strong Democrat, while 22 percent lean Democratic.

Republicans are found to be more numerous among the general electorate Catholic population, with 28 percent identifying themselves as Republicans and 17 percent saying they lean Republican. However, Catholics who attend Mass weekly are still more likely to be Democrats, with 37 percent self-identifying with the party and another 18 percent saying they lean Democrat.

“Overall, these shifting Catholic attitude trends, less support for the use of U.S. military force, more support for higher taxes for wealthy Americans, and increasing acceptance of immigration, may favor the Democrats and Obama,” said Mark Gray, the director of CARA Catholic polls.

Gray said that Democrats still must mobilize well to take advantage of their edge among Catholic voters. “In the past two presidential elections the Republicans have been noted to be more effective at mobilizing voters using religion and religious organizations—often using the issue of abortion,” Gray said.

The CARA poll results suggest a shift in Catholics’ views on several major issues. In 2002, before the Iraq war, 63 percent of adult Catholics agreed “somewhat” or “strongly” with the statement that “The U.S. should be willing to use military force to overthrow governments that support terrorism against the U.S., even if it mean losing lives of U.S. service members.” In 2006, only 43 percent agreed.

Catholic support for a tax on the wealthiest Americans has increased from 52 percent in 2002 to 65 percent in 2006. Catholics are also less likely to agree that the number of immigrants permitted entry into the U.S. should be decreased, with agreement down from 65 percent in 2002 to 54 percent in 2006.

According to the study, pro-abortion sentiment has slightly increased among adult Catholics. In 2002, 55 percent somewhat or strongly agreed with the statement “A woman should have the right to choose to abort an unwanted pregnancy.” In 2006, the percentage in agreement increased to 58 percent.


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To: paguch

Not the Rog and his followers.


51 posted on 06/25/2008 4:16:03 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: AliVeritas

What specifically?


52 posted on 06/25/2008 4:18:29 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: NYer

1) Define Catholic (practicing v. cultural)

2) Define Catholic (registered voter v. likely voter v. are they even registered at all)


53 posted on 06/25/2008 4:20:17 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Jaded
Exactly. And so many of them are clueless. Kept in the little enclaves fed more b/s by liberals who want to keep the lemmings in check.
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And,...The COMMMUNISTS ( I refuse to call them “liberals” any more) are doing the same to Catholic children in our government schools!

Please read posts #32, #39, and #50.

The research evidence is plain! If parents want believing Catholic children, get them OUT of the godless government schools!

Do this and our nation will have Catholics who vote against abortion supporting Democommunists.

54 posted on 06/25/2008 4:21:01 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: Resolute Conservative; Antoninus
I was at a ladies house yesterday, 73 year old widow, devoted Baptist, just a fine woman who had all sorts of Hussein literature around her house. I don’t get it.

God gave man "free will". No matter what the preachers, priests, bishops, Cardinals or the Pope has to say, people will vote according to their will. This woman fits right into the same category of my mother who supports the Democratic Party for what it did to help her family, back in the 1930's. That is what they remember. They don't look at the party today. In fact, my mother did not believe me when I told her that the Republican Party was pro-life, which must be our primary voting issue.

The 73 year old woman and my mother are victims of the mainstream media. They spend their idle hours watching GMA and all those other programs that feed the audience their views. These folks are not free thinkers.

55 posted on 06/25/2008 4:22:43 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NoLibZone

People assume it’s the Latinos, did you not see what I was replying to?


56 posted on 06/25/2008 4:23:27 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: darkangel82

As one mentioned above, they’re only Christian in name only. Especially considering the democrat support of the wholesale slaughter of babies, that should be a prime indicator that the people who vote democrat and claim to be Christian and/or Catholic are only pretending.

I cannot imagine seriously believing in Jesus, His Kingdom, then turning to Him and saying that you believe in killing His children out of convenience.


57 posted on 06/25/2008 4:23:47 PM PDT by kenth (Just think, .000001783% of the population is screwing it all up for the rest of us.)
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To: NYer
It is very challenging to persuade them to vote outside ‘their’ party.
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What is difficult to understand?

Who could “follow” someone who supports shoving scissors into the brains of infants ( seconds before their first breath), scrambling their brains, crushing the skull, and sucking the gelatinous mass into a surgical suction jar?

A person like this would lead them straight to hell! Literally!

As hard as I try...I just don't “get it”. ( sigh!)

58 posted on 06/25/2008 4:26:11 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: kenth
that the people who vote democrat and claim to be Christian and/or Catholic are only pretending.

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They are LYING!

They are LYING to themselves, or consciously and with full knowledge LYING to others.

( One thing that **really** gets me are
“Christian” teachers who willing support, push forward, and assist the godless Democratic Party and its agenda in our government schools! They are lying to themselves,...or...they are really evil and lying to the kids! )

59 posted on 06/25/2008 4:31:42 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: wintertime; sandyeggo
If you want your kid to be Catholic, **homeschool** them!!!!

You are right! However, that is not always possible - it wasn't possible for me as I had to work to support my family. Furthermore, some states are now catching on to this and legislatively banning homeschooling. I believe CA is the first one to do this. I have pinged a CA freeper for more information.

60 posted on 06/25/2008 4:34:45 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: BlessedBeGod

Define Jew, Muslim, Evangelical, Anglican, Episcopal, Lutheran .... et al. What’s your point?


61 posted on 06/25/2008 4:46:51 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: paguch
Why blame Vatican II? This is what the Catholic Bishops wrought.

Well, sadly, at least some Bishops and priests cite Vat II when openly acting in opposition to 'Rome', which, in my diocese, is viewed by some as a nice Diocese with it's own Bishop (the Holy Father) but not unlike and certainly not having any authority over other Diocese' like the Diocese of Erie (mine) or any other. I hear it all the time. There was tangible fear when Pope Benedict was chosen that he would clamp down on abuses done, rightly or wrongly, in the name of Vat II. So like it or not, many dissident clergy cling to Vat II as the new spring and seek to enact it in 'their' own image. It seems the two go hand in hand, leftie clergy and Vat II. I otherwise agree, that some Bishops have overstepped their authority and responsibilities. And now some cling to Vat II as a license to forge ahead. I can't go 2 weeks here without hearing Vat II cited in a sermon or homily or by Parish ministers (I am active in parish ministry) as a positive thing, an aim to fully bring it about. And those who disagree, well, they're looked at like they've just landed from another planet, and are reminded of obedience to the Bishop.

62 posted on 06/25/2008 5:21:07 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, a lesson lost on too many.)
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To: SeanOGuano

I’m with you pal!


63 posted on 06/25/2008 6:23:50 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: NYer
Witchita, Kansas, Catholics are providing tuition free Catholic education for their youth.

So...Even if a parent can't homeschool, in Witchita these parents have a **good** chance that their kids will grow up to **be** real Catholics. Other diocese should being doing exactly the same for its kids. Geeze! ALL bishops should recognize that their first and **most** important mission field is their **own** kids!

The Nehemiah Institute’s worldview testing shows that students in Christian schools reject moral relativism at a rate 500% higher than Christian children attending public schools.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:kY4WNVux_NIJ:www.exodusmandate.org/20070503-resolution/2007-letter-to-committee-members.doc+Barna+Shortt+Christian+high+school+88%25+faith+homeschool&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us

But...Maybe the gospel is **not** the most important goal of some Catholic bishops.

It is possible that some bishops have been so thoroughly marinated in Liberation Theology that they have more of a testimony of Marxism than they do Catholicism. Hey! And, where better for kids ( the next generation of CINO voters) to learn Marxism than in the godless government schools?

64 posted on 06/25/2008 6:39:02 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: fortunecookie
It seems the two go hand in hand, leftie clergy and Vat II.
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“lefty clergy”

Translation: MARXIST clergy that have been thoroughly marinated in the Liberation Theology stew.

There were plenty of walking the halls of my Catholic University! Honestly! They have a greater testimony of Marx than they did of Christ.

65 posted on 06/25/2008 6:43:00 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: wintertime
The inner cities are the areas that need the most reform, yet they have the highest rate of out of wedlock children.

Many of these women are are public assistance, or are underemployed, and can't afford the cost of home schooling.

What do you suggest that they do?

Here is the break down by race of the illegitimacy crisis we have in this country.

Also you need to keep in mind the USA is the only country in the world that offers public education to ALL its citizens.

Now you can either sit around and whine, or you can get elected to a school board and start making changes. How about getting a degree in education and starting your own charter school, or see if you can work your way up to an administrative position and make changes from the inside?

http://www.catholicculture.org/library/view.cfm?recnum=1446

Childbearing out-of-wedlock and absence of fathers varies greatly between racial/ethnic groups.

The highest rate was non-Hispanic Blacks, among whom 69.4 percent of births were out-of-wedlock. American Indians have the second highest rate at 58.7 percent, followed by Hispanics at 40.92 percent. Among non-Hispanic whites, 21.54 percent of births are out of wedlock, and Asians/Pacific islanders have the 1owest rate with 15.64 percent of births being out-of-wedlock.

http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/indicators/75UnmarriedBirths.cfm

Large racial/ethnic differences exist in the percentage of births to unmarried women, with non-Hispanic white women and Asian or Pacific Islander women being much less likely to have a nonmarital birth.

In 2005, 69.5 percent of all births to non-Hispanic black women, 63.3 percent of births of American Indian or Alaskan native woman, and 47.9 percent of births to Hispanic women occurred outside of marriage, compared with 25.4 percent for non-Hispanic white women and 16.2 percent for Asian or Pacific Islander women (preliminary estimates).

67 posted on 06/25/2008 8:06:19 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime
Witchita, Kansas, Catholics are providing tuition free Catholic education for their youth.

And where I live the Bishop closed down the only Catholic School for about 100 miles.

Are you going to say the Bishop isn't Catholic?

The area I live in is economically depressed, most families have both parents working just to make ends meet. By Count there are 2 Catholic Churches 14 miles apart in two towns and get read for this 47 Non-Catholic Christian churches.

One of the "Christian" schools refuses to accept Catholics because everyone knows that Catholics are not really Christian.

What should these parents do? Would you have them their Faith to attend this school?

68 posted on 06/25/2008 8:16:31 PM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

Georgetown is a snakepit of leftist vermin.

Nothing they say is to be trusted.


69 posted on 06/25/2008 8:42:41 PM PDT by dsc
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To: NYer

I believe Christians not just Catholics,have a hardening of their hearts. The unborn doesn’t mean much to them but the environment does. All you hear is global warming,global warming, in school,TV,movies,the celebrity clowns. The cultural today is rotten and we now have the worship of the planet as the new religion. How can people not weep for 50 million dead children? As a Catholic I mourn for the lost souls who don’t care for the unborn children who have died and their lack of mercy they show by the continue support of the evil of abortion.How can anyone ask for mercy from God when they have hardened their hearts to those that are the most vulnerable,the unborn? We all will someday come before a just God,I pray hearts will change so that they can show mercy the same way they will ask for mercy!


70 posted on 06/25/2008 10:34:55 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: verga

I am a former homeschooling mom.

I **know** how little it takes in terms of money to educate a child.

If the Catholic children in you diocese are not getting a free Catholic education it is because the bishop lacks imagination on how to get it done. ( or prefers to see kids going to godless government school.)

My suggestion? He should get a bunch of homeschooling moms and dads together and they should do some brainstorming. They have the buildings at least, I know how much curriculum costs and how many kids can use it from year to year. All that is lacking is money to pay the teachers.

Gee!! Do you think some might consider it a calling and teach for gas money or even for free?


71 posted on 06/25/2008 10:39:17 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: red irish

The cultural today is rotten and we now have the worship of the planet as the new religion. How can people not weep for 50 million dead children?
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It is easy to explain. Too many are graduates of godless government schools!

Please read posts #32, #39, and #50.


72 posted on 06/25/2008 10:42:16 PM PDT by wintertime (Quick find the RAID!)
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To: wintertime
I **know** how little it takes in terms of money to educate a child.

I know I have read quite a few or your rants

If the Catholic children in you diocese are not getting a free Catholic education it is because the bishop lacks imagination on how to get it done. ( or prefers to see kids going to godless government school.)

His name is Bishop DeLorenzo of the the Richmond Diocese, give him a call, tell him exactly what you think, and get back to us.

My suggestion? He should get a bunch of homeschooling moms and dads together and they should do some brainstorming. They have the buildings at least, I know how much curriculum costs and how many kids can use it from year to year. All that is lacking is money to pay the teachers.

You must have missed the part where I said we live in an economically depressed area and that most families have both parents working JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET

Gee!! Do you think some might consider it a calling and teach for gas money or even for free?

I have always considered teaching a calling, are you going to pay my rent, utilities, food, car payment, etc....?

I noticed that you ignored the part about the Single parents in the urban areas, hmmm why is that?

It is very easy to spout off when you ignore the facts, try dealing with them.

73 posted on 06/26/2008 4:29:18 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime
It is easy to explain. Too many are graduates of godless government schools!

You want to know what is really funny. I have 16 nieces and nephews. Two went through Catholic schools, the rest all went to public. Four of them are old enough to vote. Two of the four are Democrats and pro abortion. The other two are Republican and Independent and are anti abortion.

Care to take a guess as to which is which. That is right the ones that went to public school are pro-life, and get ready for this, the ones that went to Catholic school No longer attend Mass on a regular basis, and one is divorced after living with the guy for 2 years and four years of marriage.

74 posted on 06/26/2008 4:38:58 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: NYer

Once again these polls mean nothing without finding out if these “Catholics” actually believe in the teachings of the Church. Most likely these are those who sit in a pew Sunday after Sunday but are pro abortion, think gay marriage should be legal in all States and that Jesus is just one way to heaven. In other words not Catholic.


75 posted on 06/26/2008 4:40:40 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: Antoninus

They attend Mass because they believe that their conscience trumps Church teaching. They think that a long as they believe abortion is right they can receive communion. After all they thought about it and now are wiser, more compassionate, and more infallible than the Pope and the Magesterium. They get to be their own Pope. I bet they even put on the kewl hat when at home with family.

Why Christ Himself marvels at their intimacy with the Holy Spirit. Who has revealed that tearing babies limb from limb out of the womb can be a good thing. Mind you there is a spirit involved but it sure as HELL ain’t Holy.

These Catholics are the ones who would rather destroy the Church than leave for one that already teaches what they believe.


76 posted on 06/26/2008 4:47:22 AM PDT by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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To: verga
My husband and I just drove through Wichita last spring. ( We were visiting my daughter in Texas. Wichita does **not** look all that wonderfully prosperous. (Plenty of Mexican legal and illegal immigrants around too.)

Definition of an optimist: Can!, Can!, Can!, Can!

Definition of a pessimist: Can't!, Can't!, Can't!, Can't!

Definition of an obstrustructionist: Won't!, Won't!
, Won't!, Won't!

It seems to me that Wichita, Kansas, has been blessed by a very optimistic bishop.

By the way, my tag-line reads: “Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid”. Free Catholic tuition is a **GOOD** idea!

77 posted on 06/26/2008 4:59:34 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Okay so what did the Bishop say to you when you called him?

Is he going to reopen our school?

Are you going to live her and be one of the teachers?

Are you going to pay for the curriculum?

Don't offer platitudes, that is what liberals do?

Seriously. Let me/ us know exactly what the Bishop says after you contact him.

78 posted on 06/26/2008 5:40:23 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: red irish
We all will someday come before a just God,I pray hearts will change so that they can show mercy the same way they will ask for mercy!

Such sage words! You are so right. On the day of their judgement, when they are groveling before the Lord, they will beg for mercy. Now is the time for them to show it.

79 posted on 06/26/2008 5:51:12 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: verga
Definition of an optimist: Can!, Can!, Can!, Can!
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Wichita Catholics are optimists.

I will e-mail him an article.

80 posted on 06/26/2008 5:59:23 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
definition of a Pessimist:

Can't contact Bishop, Can't contact Bishop, Can't contact Bishop.

Definition of an Obstructionist:

Won't contact Bishop,Won't contact Bishop,Won't contact Bishop.

I asked you very politely to contact our Bishop and get this straightened out, instead you threw out an anecdote that did not address the issue and a bunch of platitudes.

I asked if you would come down here and teach, you ignored.

I asked how these people should afford this when they can't make ends meet, you ignored the question.

I don't think you have any answers, I think you just enjoy the sound of your own typing.

Let me know exactly what the Bishop says after to speak directly to him either in person or over the phone.

I am really starting to think that you are a liberal. You offer all these grandiose schemes but have nothing concrete to offer.

81 posted on 06/26/2008 6:48:14 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
I will e-mail him an article.

E-mailing a bishop **is** contacting him.

By the way, I am **not** Catholic! The purpose of these boards is for the spread of new ideas. Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.

Well..., I happen to think that Catholics in Wichita are pretty darn SMART! By posting on these boards perhaps Catholics ( which I am not) will pick up on a good idea and start talking to their bishops.

Certainly it would be far more effective for Catholics to be contacting their bishops than it would be me ( who is **not** Catholic). However...I will send an e-mail and do all that I can to see that other Catholics know about the success of Catholic schools in Wichita.

As for me teaching in a Catholic school, that would be hypocritical. I could not in good faith teach some of their beliefs. It would be lying to the students. Although I respect them, I don't believe them.

As for teaching, I believe **you** are being very **judgmental** of me!

*I have **taught** 3 children from infancy through high school. Even when they were in college, I spent one year after work **teaching** my daughter biology major's biology. We read every word of a college level text aloud together, ( after my full day of work) and my husband reviewed with her **all** of her class lecture notes. I call that heavy duty **teaching**!

*My husband and I assist our children in some homeschooling expenses, and we have been very generous with our time as well. My oldest grand daughter can sew because I spent many, many hours at her side **teaching** her. All the grandchildren ( who are old enough) can sketch and paint because I **taught** them. ( We have 9 grandchildren and another due in 3 weeks.)

*My husband is **very** active in our church's scouting program, and for more than 25 years I have been active with the girls program, teen program, and scripture program for the youth. ( I call that **teaching**.)

*I have parents who are 95 years old right now to worry about, but when they pass on my husband and I fully plan to do several 1 to 2 year missions for our church.

*On our missions we will very likely be called to **teach** our professional skills to the young people here in the states or abroad, or we will be **teaching** English to people ( children and adults). We will also be **teaching** the gospel to people in desperate need of salvation.

* I have also worked in my profession ( taking time off to raise children) for 25 years! In these years I have improved the health and welfare of hundreds of children and youth! A large part of my time as a health professional is **teaching**!

How much can one person do in one lifetime? Tell me?

As for government schools, I absolutely will **not** teach in them. The concept was corrupt from the beginning. Also, I will not give CPR to a dead horse.

82 posted on 06/26/2008 7:59:56 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
Translation: MARXIST clergy that have been thoroughly marinated in the Liberation Theology stew.

Amen to that. In communist countries the marxists had to work a lot harder to infiltrate and subvert, here, in the free west, we welcomed it!

And seemingly free reign, as often, well meaning people are chastised to be ‘obedient’ and not critical of clergy when abuses and dissent are practiced.Marinated in liberation theology, lol, noting that for future use~!

Liberation Theology, an oxymoron at best, and folly for sooo many. I attended a Catholic university as well, and while there was a small portion of 'traditional' faithful with services offered, the rest, clergy and faculty and students alike, were leftie. I'm not surprised they're still in place, they've been working hard to entrench themselves with this for some time. And it's funny to me how now, even with a resurgence of 'old' practices in some areas, 'traditional' is so often noted as a sneer.

83 posted on 06/26/2008 10:33:32 AM PDT by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, a lesson lost on too many.)
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To: wintertime
Contacting him by e-mail is the same as spitting into the ocean.

YOU, need to contact him in person, just like we did down here, and tell us if you get a different response.

You don't have to be Catholic to teach Math, Science, Social Studies, etc.... in a Catholic school, so your answer is a cop out.

As far as me being judgmental of you, that is all that YOU have been of every educational professional, every public school, and every member of the Teachers union. Might want to get that log out of your own eye, before you think about the splinter in mine.

You need to get your story straight about the number of children you have home schooled, sometimes it three some times it four.

The Horse is no where near dead, No matter what you think, but if good people keep walking away then liberals like you will win.

84 posted on 06/26/2008 10:47:50 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
You need to get your story straight about the number of children you have home schooled, sometimes it three some times it four.
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You are playing the game “gotcha”.

The smart conservatives on this board can spot this manipulative, and distracting, debating technique in an instant! It's only purpose is to discredit the argument by personally smearing the debating opponent.

I have **absolutely** consistent . I have four children. Three were homeschooled.

( If you are curious about why the oldest was government schooled, please contact me by private mail.)

85 posted on 06/26/2008 11:18:45 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: verga
YOU, need to contact him in person,
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No, I don't.

An good **idea** is very powerful. As Catholics hear about the good idea of free tutiton in Wichita, Catholics themselves will petition their bishops all over America.

I can do plenty ( as a non-Catholic) by merely spreading the idea.

86 posted on 06/26/2008 11:22:10 AM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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