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To: Petronski
“What hath VII wrought?”

Why blame Vatican II? This is what the Catholic Bishops wrought.

When will the Bishops control the Catholic leadership of the Democrat party? They are also THE leadership of the Democrat party.
Why are the two most heavily “Catholic” states the most sinful and disobedient to the Vatican? I am talking about California and Massachusetts.

Why did the Bishops confuse the issue of voting and abortion?

Who started the corrupt unions?

Who supports illegal Immigration?

Who allows gays in drag to take Communion?

Has the church supported ACORN?

I am not anti-Catholic, I am Catholic. I follow the Vatican, do the Bishop's?

19 posted on 06/25/2008 1:58:40 PM PDT by paguch
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To: paguch
Catholics CANNOT vote for Obama. Instructions from the Bishops of the United States below:

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23 posted on 06/25/2008 2:02:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: paguch
Why blame Vatican II?

Lukewarm Liturgy and a rejection of Mysticism have emptied out a lot of seats in the pews, which is where the Catechesis would take place.

Yes, though, I agree with you regarding the USCCB.

27 posted on 06/25/2008 2:10:14 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: paguch

Not the Rog and his followers.


51 posted on 06/25/2008 4:16:03 PM PDT by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: paguch
Why blame Vatican II? This is what the Catholic Bishops wrought.

Well, sadly, at least some Bishops and priests cite Vat II when openly acting in opposition to 'Rome', which, in my diocese, is viewed by some as a nice Diocese with it's own Bishop (the Holy Father) but not unlike and certainly not having any authority over other Diocese' like the Diocese of Erie (mine) or any other. I hear it all the time. There was tangible fear when Pope Benedict was chosen that he would clamp down on abuses done, rightly or wrongly, in the name of Vat II. So like it or not, many dissident clergy cling to Vat II as the new spring and seek to enact it in 'their' own image. It seems the two go hand in hand, leftie clergy and Vat II. I otherwise agree, that some Bishops have overstepped their authority and responsibilities. And now some cling to Vat II as a license to forge ahead. I can't go 2 weeks here without hearing Vat II cited in a sermon or homily or by Parish ministers (I am active in parish ministry) as a positive thing, an aim to fully bring it about. And those who disagree, well, they're looked at like they've just landed from another planet, and are reminded of obedience to the Bishop.

62 posted on 06/25/2008 5:21:07 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Communism/socialism has failed millions, a lesson lost on too many.)
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