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The Tribulation has already begun New book will reveal the details
RenewAmerica ^ | June 25th, 2008 | Tom Kovach

Posted on 07/01/2008 7:00:33 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear

Many people have been taught — quite wrongly — that there will not be any Christians here on Earth when The Tribulation begins. Those misguided Christians are basing their hopes on a "get out of jail free card" called a "Pre-Tribulational Rapture." The idea that The Rapture — the sudden, bodily "snatching away" of Christians up into Heaven — will occur prior to The Tribulation is a prophetic equivalent of a "prosperity gospel" that gives people a false sense of hope and security. That false sense could easily usher in the great "falling away."

For several months, I've been doing research for a new book. The original working title was Are We Already in the End Times?, but I recently changed the title from a question to a statement. The new title is Tribulation: 2008. In the book, I identify four distinct periods of Biblical timing: the Latter Days, the End Times, the Tribulation, and the Great Tribulation. Many people seem to think that all four periods are the same, but are called by different names in different parts of the Bible. Not so. This past weekend, the signs were put in place to move us from the End Times into The Tribulation.

But, wait, there's more!

This past weekend also matched the period described in Revelation 8:5, when an angel takes fire from the altar of God and throws it to the Earth. More than 800 wildfires started in a single day in California this past weekend, as the result of an 'unprecedented' lightning storm of a type called "dry lightning." The triggering event in the Bible takes place immediately after the "silence in Heaven," and as the seven angels prepare to blow their seven trumpets that cause disasters on Earth during The Tribulation. (For a presentation on the "silence in Heaven," its duration on Earth, and the event that marks its beginning, readers will need to wait for the book, which should be completed soon.) The wildfires form a virtual ring around the infamous Bohemian Grove, where leaders from business and government gather to perform pagan rituals during the Dog Days of Summer. If the huge number of fires were to heat up the sub-surface rock formations, could that trigger an earthquake? (The next thing in the sequence of Revelation 8:5 is an earthquake.)


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To: pgkdan

More than 800 wildfires started in a single day in California this past weekend, as the result of an ‘unprecedented’ lightning storm of a type called “dry lightning.”

This is a joke right? Surely this fellow doesn’t think that dry lightning is unprecedented?
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I saw “dry lightning” 40 years ago in Sydney, Australia...

No rain..just huge forks of lightning..


51 posted on 07/01/2008 12:36:57 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Raineygoodyear

Tom Kovach gonna have to pay me for listening to him.


52 posted on 07/01/2008 2:22:07 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Raineygoodyear
Tom Kovach lives near Nashville, is a former USAF Blue Beret, and has written for several online publications. In 2006, he published his first book. He is also an inventor, a horse wrangler, a certified paralegal, and a network talk-radio host. He is available to speak to your group. To learn more, visit: www.TomKovach.us

Hey Raineygoodyear. Is your name Tom Kovach?

53 posted on 07/01/2008 2:24:23 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

No..What kind of man would have a name Raineygoodyear..


54 posted on 07/01/2008 3:54:04 PM PDT by Raineygoodyear (AKA Crimmy)
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To: Raineygoodyear
No..What kind of man would have a name Raineygoodyear..

I'm almost certain Tom Kovach would. :-)

55 posted on 07/01/2008 4:11:31 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Ready2go
Did you ever have a canker sore in your mouth? If so, then you know how painful that one little canker sore was. Now think of having canker sores all over your body, on your genitalia, in your mouth.

Think how painful and unbearable your life will be. Then follow that misery with eternity in hell. Don’t take that mark.

This is meant to compel belief in the Lord by fear? That will not last to eternity. Love will. Love the Lord and love the neighbor. Living a good life as the Lord taught us will.

56 posted on 07/01/2008 4:34:32 PM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: Ready2go

If God already knows what is going to happen to each of us, what does it matter? God can’t be wrong, so if He created you, knowing you would be a believer, then you are...and vice versa.


57 posted on 07/01/2008 5:54:22 PM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

Howdy there stuartcr;

Yes...God knew what I was going to do long before I did!

It’s all about that free will thingie He gave it to all of us...it was my own decision to accept Jesus as my Personal Lord & Savior.

The Holy Spirit will gently tug you to come to God, but He won’t force you.


58 posted on 07/01/2008 6:30:58 PM PDT by Ready2go (Isa 5:20 Destruction is certain for those who say that evil is good and good is evil;)
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To: Invincibly Ignorant

Well I’m a Susie not a Tom...:0)


59 posted on 07/01/2008 7:11:07 PM PDT by Raineygoodyear (AKA Crimmy)
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To: Raineygoodyear

I know of many post-tribbers, and am one myself. An old book written by a professor at Wheaton College (now University) called “The Tribulation People” will also be of interest. Thanks for writing the book. I simply read my Bible in the order it was written and quit trying to make it all fit into the pre-Trib formula. It’s really quite easy. When you do read the Bible, don’t skip the inserted phrases, like “this is the first resurrection”, which is always ignored!


60 posted on 07/01/2008 8:47:35 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: edpc

If the fires can heat up 15 miles of solid bedrock.


61 posted on 07/01/2008 8:55:30 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: I still care

Global warming started when the glaciers started to recede. Anyway, there is a great famine and drought, remember when those who died during the Trib are before the throne of God and He promises them in Rev 7:16
“Never again will they hunger;
never again will they thirst.
The sun will not beat upon them,
nor any scorching heat.”


62 posted on 07/01/2008 8:57:56 PM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: dfwgator

If the Cubs win the World Series, I’ll be ready to go!


63 posted on 07/01/2008 8:59:57 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The fire from heaven could easily be a rocky asteroid. Many of these even the larger ones explode in the upper atmosphere and can rain down “fire” over quite a large area.


64 posted on 07/01/2008 9:00:32 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: Ready2go

I’m curious about something. When I talk about God knowing what we will do, and us not being able to do anything other than what He knows we will do, I’m constantly reminded of freewill. I believe that, for whatever reason, God creates people knowing that they will commit murder and horrible crimes, yet He still creates them. I’m told that we all have choices, and just because God knows someone will commit murder, they still made a choice to do that. I don’t understand how that would work for the victims that God knows will be murdered, raped, etc. What choice do you think they make, which results in their getting murdered, raped, etc? Do you think that if God creates someone knowing they will do a specific thing at a specific time, that they could do otherwise?


65 posted on 07/02/2008 6:00:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

The answer to your question is found in actually studying the Scriptures, in a serious way. Regularly. Wisdom and understanding is a process ... just like any growing thing ... it gradually grows and matures in stages.

Some want to go straight to the bottom line. Then when they get it, they dispute about it. The way to learn in any field is by the taking in of information bit by bit and becoming rock solid founded in the foundations of the chosen study.

That is the way ... walk ye in it, any that want to any that choose to know.

God is not mocked ... He knows the heart.

Have a blessed day.


66 posted on 07/02/2008 9:00:46 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Ready2go

The word rapture (in Greek harpazo, in Latin rapere) means to be caught up or taken away suddenly. The rapture refers to the sudden removal of all of God’s people on the earth. In the twinkling of an eye, born again Christians will suddenly be transformed out of our human bodies and will rise up into the air to join Jesus Christ.
God warned us against ignoring the hope that end-times prophecy gives us in I Thessalonians 5:19 when he said “Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil.”
Christ warned his end-times followers 13 times in the New Testament to not be deceived, and to watch and be ready. He wanted us to be excited about His glorious appearing
The Bible tells us of others who have been taken up into heaven in very much the same way that we will be at the time of the rapture.


67 posted on 07/02/2008 9:28:28 AM PDT by Raineygoodyear (AKA Crimmy)
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To: geologist

I was actually wanting to get your answer, but thanks anyway.


68 posted on 07/02/2008 9:40:36 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: sport

So do I. My belief is that there will be a pre-wrath rapture of the church but not a pre-trib. Hopefully, we’ll be prepared for either but since many don’t believe in either, there will be many folks who will be terrorized when things begin to happen.


69 posted on 07/02/2008 6:42:38 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

He hasn’t said anything about the day and hour, has he? When the time comes and people are familiar with the signs, we will know. God warns HIS people about these events and those filled with the Holy Spirit will know.


70 posted on 07/02/2008 6:43:59 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: ozark hilljilly

That’s pretty much how I believe. I’m a pre-wrath believer myself. And I do believe as time approaches and we know the signs, that we WILL know.


71 posted on 07/02/2008 6:46:05 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: aimhigh
“A bunch of wildfires in California, and this guy says it’s the Tribulation period? The guy doesn’t get out much.”

It's summer, it's California, and there are fires. Next thing we know, it's August and a hurricane will be heading to Florida.

I hate to think of winter, December, and Minnesota.

72 posted on 07/02/2008 6:49:48 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("We have to drain the swamp" George Bush, September 2001)
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To: red irish

You’ve got that right!


73 posted on 07/02/2008 6:50:12 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Ready2go

Excellent. Liquid silver can also be used to purify water. Doesn’t take much.


74 posted on 07/02/2008 6:58:33 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: DaveMSmith

It worked for me. I became a believer shortly after learning about the end times prophecy. That was almost 40 years ago.


75 posted on 07/02/2008 7:01:12 PM PDT by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
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To: Marysecretary
I was watching a TV preacher some time ago and he was saying the Lord will avenge us and 'smote' the bad nations with His rod of iron! Just looking at Strong's, 'rule' in Rev 12:5 is 4165 - "to tend as a shepherd of (figuratively, superviser):--feed (cattle), rule." -- looking further, a rod of iron is teach from the natural truths of the Word. Either that preacher was ignorant or just plain deceitful.

Moreover, where 'world' is incorrectly translated in the KJV, the NKJV properly translates it to 'age' (Mt 13:40, 13:49, 24:3, 28:20, etc). Age means the end of the Lord's Kingdom on Earth and the start of a new -- His Church.

There are Divine laws the Lord operates by. It's Divine Providence, the government of the Lord's Kingdom. If something sounds to fantastic to defy the laws of nature, it probably is. The Lord is not arbitrary, angry, vengeful or inconsistent.

In January, one of our ministers gave a sermon titled Rapture. Have a look, if you're interested.

76 posted on 07/03/2008 3:56:06 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (If you know these things, you are blessed if you act upon them. John 13:17)
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To: stuartcr

“Do you think that if God creates someone knowing they will do a specific thing at a specific time, that they could do otherwise?”
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Yes, I believe we can do otherwise ...

We are finite, God is infinite ... we know a small iota of the mind and power of God. We can not presume to confine God to our limited reasoning.

Have a blessed day.


77 posted on 07/03/2008 8:48:03 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

Why then couldn’t it be possible for God to manifest Himself in each of us differently, and have everyone’s faith be correct?


78 posted on 07/03/2008 8:53:07 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

GOD CAN NOT GO AGAINST HIS OWN NATURE. WHICH IS WHAT HE WOULD BE DOING IF He manifested himself differently in each of us. We each have different gifts. We each look different, think different, we are not robots; and we have God revealed to us all around in the wonders of life, the universe and miracles that we take for granted,(the miracle of a seed, or cell,birth, etc.),the telling of which could take up all the books in the world and then some.

God has revealed Himself to us in His Word. He is not the author of lies. That is the devil’s work. we can choose to flail against the truth if we so choose.


79 posted on 07/03/2008 10:13:36 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

Sorry, I thought you said that we can’t presume to confine God to our limited reasoning, that we are finite, that God is infinite, and that we know a small iota of the mind and power of God.

So how do you know God hasn’t said something different to someone else, and just didn’t think He had to tell you?


80 posted on 07/03/2008 10:18:52 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: stuartcr

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2040307/posts

may I refer you to the above devotional today ...?

We are becoming redundant ...

It is a ploy of the devil t creat confusion and twist truth.

If you have read the whole Bible with a seeking heart then we can discuss further.

No, I am not thinking or saying I have all the answers. I simply know that Jesus and the Scriptures are the answer. Ye,s I have looked and read the worlds religions (mostly) and the current new age stuff ... Course in Miracles etc.


81 posted on 07/03/2008 10:27:49 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: geologist

I understand.


82 posted on 07/03/2008 10:30:17 AM PDT by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: All

All of you have missed the real humor in what Kovach is claiming here. He is desperate to forge a link between the wildfires and his predicted earthquake for the Bohemian Grove. His later columns are filled with USGS maps of fault lines near his target zone. What he has completely failed to realize is that NONE OF THE MAJOR WILDFIRES were located anywhere within a hundred miles of there. Readers can confirm this for themselves by going to the latest maps of the burn zones at;

http://activefiremaps.fs.fed.us/activefiremaps.php?op=maps&rCode=cgb

I also happen to live near San Francisco. We had some pretty sunsets from all the smoke and a couple of times it even made me cough but it really it was no big deal. Happily at last report the fires are all pretty much under control. If the rest of the Tribulations turn out to be as much of a cream puff as this one then I think I’m going to be able to get through it. Two thousands years of build-up over nothing. Ah well.


83 posted on 07/15/2008 1:18:11 PM PDT by DaveC
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To: DaveC
The author of this article found this thread and commented on it:
California: still bakin', soon shakin'
Predicted earthquake pre-shocks have already begun


Tom Kovach
Tom Kovach
July 14, 2008


In a series of recent columns, this writer has made some comments that caused scoffing. In fact, an entire Free Republic forum page has been dedicated to "'cussing and discussing" one of my recent columns, "The Tribulation has already begun." That column drew a link from the California wildfires, through idol worship at the Bohemian Grove, to the likelihood of earthquakes soon — all in the same pro-homosexual region of Northern California. Well, the foreshocks of those earthquakes have already begun — and, right on schedule!

On the day before the annual Bohemian Grove gathering started last week, a small earthquake occurred near Green Valley, California. Interestingly, that earthquake occurred almost to the minute at the time in which my most recent column, "Hot rocks could roll!" was posted on the Internet. More important than that timing is the trend shown by the geographic locations of an entire series of "micro-earthquakes" in that same vicinity.

The rest is Here
84 posted on 07/15/2008 11:32:01 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Syncro

Actually that third column by Tom Kovach is the one that led me to this forum. It’s the one with all the pretty USGS maps that are totally unconnected to where the REAL fire zones were. It also makes a big deal out of a magintude 2.6 earthquake near the Bohemian Grove last week. Big Whoopy. I guarantee you that no human being can even detect magnitude 2.6 quakes without the aid of elaborate instrumentation. They happen pretty much every day around here and no one notices.

My prediction is that Kovach will latch onto any earthquake that happens anywhere in the world anytime this year and use it to declare victory. Do we have a bet?

Dave


85 posted on 07/17/2008 10:26:10 AM PDT by DaveC
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To: DaveC

Welcome to Free Republic Dave

Not gonna bet, the odds are in your favor

:>)

I have been to the Bohemian Grove and spent some time in the cabin where the Manhattan project was concieved


86 posted on 07/17/2008 12:08:16 PM PDT by Syncro (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Raineygoodyear
The tribulation has nothing to do with California.

It has to do with G-d's people: Israel.

It can not be divined by solstices, Mayan calendars.

It will occur on G-d's calendar and on G-d's Feast Days.

The trumpets will sound on the YHvH commanded Feast of Trumpets.

Sunset on September 29, 2008.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

87 posted on 07/17/2008 12:32:34 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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