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Knife Crime in UK (fatherless boys take it to the streets)[Ecumenical]
Standing on my Head ^ | July 18, 2008 | Fr. Dwight Longenecker

Posted on 07/18/2008 10:04:02 AM PDT by NYer

Knife crime is at epidemic proportions in Britain's inner cities, with an attack of some kind taking place every four minutes. In London alone 21 young people have been stabbed to death this year.

A church group has come up with a new solution. It's reported here. The suggestion is that church leaders should move into crime ridden inner city areas to work with the youths and become role models since most of the boys who stab each other don't have Dads.

Whoops! problem is, since women's ordination the Anglican Church has been turned into a matriarchy remember? Nearly half of Anglican clergy are now female. Besides, the whole church for the most part, has turned its back on patriarchy in favor of feminism.

One thing the report does have right: the anarchy and youth violence in our inner cities is linked to the breakdown of the family. What nobody is daring to say is that the breakdown of the family is linked with contraception, abortion, divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality and feminsim. You can't have it both ways: first you emasculate the men, kick out the fathers, get rid of patriarchy, feminize the faith, then you wring you hands saying, "Oh dear! the young men are so nasty and violent! They should have positive role models! I wonder if those fathers we got rid of are in the attic, and can be dusted off?"

Historically, the Anglo Catholics were the ones who went into Britain's inner city slums, but those who have not already pulled out are about to. The Catholics didn't need to go into the inner city slums. They were already there.

The report also admires Catholics, recognizing the example of the Catholic priests who have moved into the slums in South American cities and got their hands dirty with the roughest and poorest of humanity. Could the positive role models of these courageous priests have anything to do with the fact that the Catholic Church reserves the priesthood to men?


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anglican; bang; catholic; episcopal; uk

1 posted on 07/18/2008 10:04:02 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
What nobody is daring to say is that the breakdown of the family is linked with contraception, abortion, divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality and feminsim.

Bingo!

2 posted on 07/18/2008 10:04:53 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer
Well, of course not. That would be judgmental. We all know that crime is caused by guns knives knitting needles tire irons baseball bats rocks fingernails teeth President Bush.
3 posted on 07/18/2008 10:07:49 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: Tax-chick

Lol ... and that will still be true once his presidency ends.


4 posted on 07/18/2008 10:11:35 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

Even after he’s dead, probably. They’re still blaming President Reagan for AIDS.


5 posted on 07/18/2008 10:13:09 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: NYer

What they’re failing to tell here, is that it’s not boys named Simon that are doing this. It’s boys named Okwai and Mohammoud who are doing this.


6 posted on 07/18/2008 10:13:30 AM PDT by Transformers
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To: NYer
What nobody is daring to say is that the breakdown of the family is linked with contraception, abortion, divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality and feminsim.

Exactly! Watching Britain fall is a precursor to watching America and Australia fall. There is a God that curses us for disobedience. Deut 11:26-28, Deut 28:all He will also bless for obedience.

Have these three nations not been tremendously blessed in the past? And are we not being cursed now? LOOK AROUND!! Floods, droughts, fires, earthquakes, hurricanes, riots, terrorism, murderous children, fatherlessness... What a punishment we have brought on our nation by our disobedience to our Father.

7 posted on 07/18/2008 10:26:46 AM PDT by Chili Girl
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To: Tax-chick

LOL! You forgot pens!


8 posted on 07/18/2008 10:27:55 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Transformers

You would be wrong about that.


9 posted on 07/18/2008 10:40:04 AM PDT by Varda
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To: trisham

You’re right. I was distracted because Bill and Anoreth were taking all the doorknobs off downstairs and talking about C-4. I need to screen their library books more carefully, I think.


10 posted on 07/18/2008 10:42:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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I found this in a Brit paper. Just like here, illegitimacy is a precursor to crime.

“Births outside marriage increased year by year since the early 1970s. Over the past 10 years the proportion has risen from 12% to 41% across England and Wales as a whole.

It passed 50% in north-east England in 2000 and last year stood at 53.5%. The north-west was not far behind on 48%, but in London - where a higher proportion of young mothers were from the Muslim community - only 34.5% of children were born outside marriage.”

11 posted on 07/18/2008 10:51:59 AM PDT by Varda
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To: Tax-chick

LOL! You’ve got your hands full.


12 posted on 07/18/2008 10:52:00 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: NYer

21 in a city that size? Doesn’t seem like that much. At least not by our standards.


13 posted on 07/18/2008 11:05:02 AM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: NYer
to work with the youths and become role models since most of the boys who stab each other don't have Dads.

Don't they have BIG BROTHERS in the UK? If they don't they should get the organization.

One thing the report does have right: the anarchy and youth violence in our inner cities is linked to the breakdown of the family. What nobody is daring to say is that the breakdown of the family is linked with contraception, abortion, divorce, promiscuity, homosexuality and feminsim. You can't have it both ways: first you emasculate the men, kick out the fathers, get rid of patriarchy, feminize the faith, then you wring you hands saying, "Oh dear! the young men are so nasty and violent! They should have positive role models! I wonder if those fathers we got rid of are in the attic, and can be dusted off?"

British dads - you need to be there for your kids. Moms, you need to make sure you want to be married BEFORE having kids!! Come on, raising kids is hard - but they'll thank you later!

14 posted on 07/18/2008 11:26:54 AM PDT by MaineConservative (Charlie Summers -- an Iraqi Vet and businessman for Maine's CD-1)
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To: trisham

I’m not quite sure how this happened to me.


15 posted on 07/18/2008 11:52:44 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: Varda

It says ...

“church leaders should move into crime ridden inner city areas”

... Remember, England is only 90% English. It has a large, fast-growing immigrant (third world population.)

They’ve tried those same save the children programs here in the US and they’re not all that effective. US cities are infested with crime. The Mayor of Chicago wants to call in National Guard to deal with their crime problem. The solution? Deport, deport, deport.


16 posted on 07/18/2008 11:59:38 AM PDT by Transformers
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To: Tax-chick
I’m not quite sure how this happened to me.

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Having children? I know it has something to do with a stork or a cabbage patch. That's what my parents told me, at any rate.

17 posted on 07/18/2008 12:12:42 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

No, I figured out having children after the third or fourth time. What I don’t get is how I ended up with children who dismantle the house while contemplating explosives. I also don’t know why I can’t get through the door from the kitchen to the garage, and I’m not sure I want to know!


18 posted on 07/18/2008 12:18:25 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: Transformers

see post #11

I looked into this a couple weeks ago because I was curious about crime in Britain. Someone on another thread suggested as you have that the crime is not the work of indigenous youth. My impression when I vacationed there a couple years ago was that it was the indigenous English youth perpetuating many of these types of crimes. This article and the one I quote from (one of the Brit papers) suggest that my impression was probably correct. At the least, the offenders who are ID’ed as fatherless are not likely to be named Mohammed.


19 posted on 07/18/2008 12:22:50 PM PDT by Varda
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To: Tax-chick
No, I figured out having children after the third or fourth time. What I don’t get is how I ended up with children who dismantle the house while contemplating explosives. I also don’t know why I can’t get through the door from the kitchen to the garage, and I’m not sure I want to know!

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Well, that's a relief. :)

I'm guessing it's due to a combination of good genes and natural curiosity.

20 posted on 07/18/2008 12:24:18 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I would have stifled them more, but I was afraid of being arrested.

Must go, Vlad just discovered my library bag full of new story books for him :-).


21 posted on 07/18/2008 12:27:59 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Tax-chick's House of Herpets. We're basking - how about you?)
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To: Tax-chick

:)


22 posted on 07/18/2008 4:39:36 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Transformers

“US cities are infested with crime. The Mayor of Chicago wants to call in National Guard to deal with their crime problem. The solution? Deport, deport, deport.”

Just to get the facts right here, yes, U.S. cities are infested with crime, including Chicago. Chicago indeed has a large Latino population, many of whom are illegal, as well as a bunch of illegals from other countries also. However, it was not the Mayor that wants to call in the National Guard to deal with crime in Chicago, it was the Governor, Rod Blagojevich, that said he wanted to send in the National Guard. And there’s more to it than meets the eye. Richard Daley, the Mayor of Chicago, didn’t even know the Governor was going to announce this. And there’s politics (of course) behind it.

Gov. Blago is PO’d that Mayor Daley doesn’t support his construction works program for the state,and Blago’s desire to open a new Casino in the state to pay for it. So, in order to knife Mayor Daley in the back with the stiletto, Gov Blago gives the Mayor’s city a black eye and embarrasses him by announcing he wants to send the Nat’l Guard in because the crime problem is so bad. The Gov did this fully knowing that the City of Chicago (through Mayor Daley) has been wooing the Olympics Committee to have the 2016 (I believe) summer Olympics held in Chicago. Just what the Mayor needs is our bigmouth Gov. Blago badmouthing crime in the City while the city is attempting to win the Olympics. What better way to put the kabosh on it than portray Chicago as a totally crime ridden city that needs state intervention to stem it.

So, once again, things in politics are seldom what they seem to be. Gov Blago sure knows how to make political allies. Perhaps that is why his own party (the Dems, who control both state houses) hate him, and why there have been calls to impeach him (he is a crook amongst his other virtues). Oh how I love living in a blue state.


23 posted on 07/19/2008 1:45:50 AM PDT by flaglady47 (Hey Obama, to quote your Preacher man, your "chickens have come home to roost")
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To: Varda

You can bet your last dollar that most of the people committing these crimes are third world immigrants. I know because I research this stuff several times a week. In the UK as in France, they RARELY ever make it clear who did the crime unless it’s a white English man. They use words like “youths” to describe their trouble-making immigrant populations. Again, they try purposely to make it sound like English boys themselves are doing this and not immigrants because much of the English population there is unhappy about the immigrant influx. Trust me on this.


24 posted on 07/19/2008 7:06:54 AM PDT by Transformers
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To: Varda
The north-west was not far behind on 48%, but in London - where a higher proportion of young mothers were from the Muslim community - only 34.5% of children were born outside marriage

quite a testament
25 posted on 07/22/2008 10:53:49 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Transformers
Remember, England is only 90% English. It has a large, fast-growing immigrant (third world population.)

So, what? The article said that in parts that have the largest proportion of Muslim immigrants, the number of illegitimate children is far lesser than elsewhere
26 posted on 07/22/2008 10:56:57 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Varda; Transformers
My impression when I vacationed there a couple years ago was that it was the indigenous English youth perpetuating many of these types of crimes

Yes and no. In most of England, the immigrants are either Indian, Chinese or Caribbean (all Christians or Hindus or Sikhs or Buddhists or Taoists) and these tend to be more focused on doing well in business and education. The Moos in London and other places are also similarly hard-working. Those in Birmingham tend to not be so peaceful

But you are right -- the local yobs who have a school system that dumbs down kids terribly (worse than the US school system) are the main cause of the trouble
27 posted on 07/22/2008 11:02:25 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Transformers; Varda
You can bet your last dollar that most of the people committing these crimes are third world immigrants. I know because I research this stuff several times a week.

I LIVE in the UK and I can tell you that's completely and utterly false. In France, in the ghettos, yes, but not in the UK as it doesn't have any real ghettoes except in Birmingham.

And, yes, most of the trouble in the UK (and I live in the heavily populated south-east) is due to white youths. These are kids whose schools are a joke, who have a lot of free time on their hands and not enough challenging work and they are the ones causing the problems. Not all white boys, note, just some, but they (yobs and mostly Chavs) are everywhere, causing trouble and general good-for-nothings.
28 posted on 07/22/2008 11:42:47 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Transformers; Varda

hmmm... just realised, a lot of Brit slang used in my last post —> chavs are blokes who wear like hip-hop stuff (burberry caps, extremely baggy jeans and the like) while yobs are general lay-a-bouts who’d get knackered if they did an honest hour’s work


29 posted on 07/23/2008 2:09:11 PM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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To: Cronos

I just saw night before last a stat that showed out of 224 stabbings, 144 were done by black youth. I’ve also seen lots of stories recently of gangs of ethnics chasing young English boys down the street and stabbing them to death.

On another note, it sure sounds like the government and Trevor Philips sure don’t like indigenous Brits. He’s made quotes how all cities in Europe should look like Birmingham and London. I watch England fairly closely looking for glimmers of hope that they’ll come to their senses and not to turn the UK into something unrecognizable.


30 posted on 07/23/2008 3:54:08 PM PDT by Transformers
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To: Transformers
Perhaps -- I'm telling you from personal experience about the number of yobs I see on the street. HAve you checked how many of those 144 stabbings are black on black crimes in Brixton?

What stories of Ethnics chasing young English boys? NAme one -- there have been inter-racial gang warfare in Birmingham as I said, but elsewhere it is white yobs

London is multi-ethnic, yes, but it is a good example where folks are more interested in making money than making trouble.
31 posted on 07/24/2008 5:27:14 AM PDT by Cronos ("Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant" - Omar Ahmed, CAIR)
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