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Evangelicals: Change of Heart toward Catholics
The Black Cordelias ^ | July 28, 2008 | The Black Cordelias

Posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex

Evangelicals: Change of Heart toward Catholics

Evangelicals have been going through a major change of heart in their view of Catholicism over the past 15 years or so. In the 80’s when I was in college I lived in the Biblebelt and had plenty of experience with Evangelicals–much of it bad experience. The 80’s was the height of the “Are you saved?” question. In Virginia, the question often popped up in the first 10 minutes of getting to know someone. As I look back, Isurmise that this was coached from the pulpit or Sunday school as it was so well coordinated and almost universally applied. It was a good tactic for putting Catholics on the defensive even before it was known that they were Catholic—”ummmm, uhhh, well no, I’m not sure, I’m Catholic.” Then a conversation about works righteousness or saint statues would ensue. Yeah, nice to meet you, too.
Thankfully, those days are pretty much over. We now have formerly rabid anti-Catholics apologizing and even praising the pope. Catholics and Evangelicals have both learned that we have much in common and need each other to face the secular culture with a solid front. But, where did this detente come from? I think there is a real history to be told here and a book should be written. Let me give my perceptions of 7 major developments since 1993, which I regard as the the watershed year for the renewal of the Catholic Church in the United States.

1. The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1993. When this document came out, it was uncertain that even Catholics would read it. We should have known that something was up when the French version hit the top of the bestsellers charts in France and stayed there for months. The English version did the same in the US. Catholics were reading the Catechism, forming study groups and challenging errant professors in the classroom.

2. World Youth Day, Denver 1993. Catholic youth and youth ministers woke up. Suddenly, Catholic youth ministers realized that the youth loved the pope. And they loved him all the more because he did not talk down to them or water down the faith. He challenged them. Gone now were the pizza and a video parish youth nights. Furthermore, youth and young adults took up the challenge to evangelize. One of those youth heard the message and started a website, New Advent. Catholic youth were now becoming zealous for the Catholic faith in its fullness and were not going to be swayed by an awkward conversation that began with “Are you saved?”

3. Scott Hahn. While the Catechism is great for expounding the Catholic faith, it is not a work of apologetics itself. It is not written to expose the flaws of Evangelical theology. It is not written to defend the Church against the attacks of Evangelicals per se. It just would not let them get away with misrepresenting the Catholic faith. But Scott Hahn hit the scene at about the same time with Rome Sweet Home: Our Journey to Catholicism (Ignatius Press: San Francisco, 1993). I first heard his testimony on cassette tape in 1996. It blew my mind. Suddenly, Catholic apologetics, which is as old as the Catholic Church itself, got a leg up and there was an explosion of books, magazines and websites that effectively undercut the arguments of the 5 Solas. For the first time, there was a cadre of Catholics well enough informed to defend their faith.

4. The Internet. The Net started exploding from 1993 to 1996. I had my first account in ‘94. Compuserve was horribly basic, but by ‘96 I had AOL and the religion debates raged instantly. Catholics who had just been given the most powerful weapon in the arsenal in the war against misinterpretation of their teaching were learning to type on a forum while balancing their catechisms on their laps. Of course, online versions came out, as well. But, no Evangelical bent on getting Catholics out of the arms of the Whore of Babylon could expect to do so without himself have a copy of the Catechism, knowing it inside out and pouring over it for the errors and horrors he would surely find. Evangelical apologists were confronted with a coherent and beautiful presentation of the Catholic faith that they were ill equipped to argue against. They learned that Catholics, too, loved Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. The Catechism had arrived providentially just before the internet and had turned the tables in just a few short years. With the apologetic movement hitting at the same time, Evangelicals were also confronted with Catholics who could argue from the Bible defending their faith and demonstrating the weaknesses of Evangelical interpretations of scripture.

5. Early Church Fathers. One fruit of the Apologetics movement has been a flowering anew of Catholic interest in Patristics. This is happening at every level from armchair apologists to doctoral studies. It is suddenly all about Patristics, whereas in the 70’s-90’s the academic focus had been on Karl Rahner and Liberation Theology.

6. Evangelical Third World Experience. Evangelicals have had a field day in Latin America among the poor who are not part of the internet conversation and are distant from the study of apologetics. But, Evangelicals have learned from their experiences abroad an essential aspect of the Gospel they were missing: the Works of Mercy. Once haughty with their criticism of “works righteousness,” they have learned one cannot attend to the spiritual needs of the poor without attending to their bodily needs. Catholic have always understood this. Now, the Evangelicals are coming around. I haven’t heard an Evangelical Televangelist speak on works righteousness in many years.

7. Secularism. With the collapse of the Mainline churches as the backbone of American religion over the past thirty years (since about 1975), Catholics and Evangelicals are the only ones left standing in this country to present the Gospel. Secularism is on the rise and is ruthless. Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age. And, with the pope, we have a pretty effective means for communicating the faith and representing it to the world. There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.

With such an array of Providential developments, Evangelicals as well as Catholics have come to appreciate the depth and the breadth of the Catholic faith. It is far more difficult for them to honestly dismiss Catholicism as the work of Satan as once they did without qualm. There have been apologies and there have been calls for a new partnership. Let us hope these developments will bring about a new moment of understanding for the Glory of the Lord.


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1 posted on 07/29/2008 4:39:52 PM PDT by annalex
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To: andysandmikesmom; Antoninus; ArrogantBustard; celticfreedom; CTK YKC; dan1123; DaveMSmith; ...
If you want to be on the Catholic Theology for non-Catholics list but are not on it already, or if you are on it but do not want to be, let me know either publicly or privately.

This is just a good news post. Praise be to God!

Previously posted:

On Salvation Outside the Catholic Church
The Great Heresies
SALVATION PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE
JUSTIFICATION IN CATHOLIC TEACHING
Hermits and Solitaries [Ecumenical]
THE PRIESTHOOD DEBATE
RIGHTEOUSNESS AND MERIT
A Well-Rounded Pope [Ecumenical]
A Monastery to Last 1,000 Years [Ecumenical]
Explaining Purgatory from a New Testament Perspective [Ecumenical]
In the Crosshairs of the Canon [How We Got The Bible] [Ecumenical]
'An Ordinance Forever' - The Biblical Origins of the Mass [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Church Authority In Scripture [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Tradition: Life in the Spirit [Ecumenical]
Christian Atheism
Vatican plea to uncover Virgin Mary and show her breast-feeding baby Jesus
Why do Catholics have to confess their sins to a priest instead of praying straight to God? [Ecu]
Our Times: The Age of Martyrs
The Eucharist - the Lord's Sacrifice, Banquet and Presence
Beginning Catholic: Catholic Morality: Life in Christ [Ecumenical]
Chosen In Him: The Catholic Teaching on Predestination [Ecumenical]
The Sacraments [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: A Strong Start in the Faith: The Catholic RCIA Stages [Ecumenical]
Beginning Catholic: The RCIA Inquiry Stage In the Catholic Church [Ecumenical]
Catholic Art

2 posted on 07/29/2008 4:41:51 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

“The Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1993”

That’s a great book. I’m an atheist myself but I flip through my mom’s copy pretty regularly.


3 posted on 07/29/2008 4:45:46 PM PDT by Jason Kauppinen
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To: annalex
Apologetics, be it based in Protestant or Catholic faiths has long been a missing link not taught by main line Christian churches. In my opinion, there is a HUGE demand for not only what to believe but WHY we believe. The seeker of the fruits of the spirit needs to be equipped to know the reason behind their faith so that the secular world arguments fail to shake their views.

I also believe that this is why there has been a resurgence in smaller churches and small worship groups.

4 posted on 07/29/2008 4:48:00 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: annalex

Bookmark for later reading.


5 posted on 07/29/2008 4:49:14 PM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: Jason Kauppinen

Eh, why a nice man like you be, of all things, an atheist?


6 posted on 07/29/2008 4:51:07 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

Great article. Bookmark.


7 posted on 07/29/2008 4:57:48 PM PDT by Pinkbell (”This guy is a jerk, an arrogant jerk. A Jerk Messiah.” - Rush talking about Obama)
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To: annalex

OK


8 posted on 07/29/2008 5:00:52 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: annalex

Beautiful, just beautiful. Thank you so much for posting this. My best friend is an evangelical; I love her dearly. Her love of Christ really made a huge impression on me and helped me to love our Lord on a more personal level. I will always be grateful to her for that.

It saddens me beyond relief to see the hateful bickering that goes on between Catholics and Protestants on this site. I hope one day we will all be united. United, we can be a powerful force against evil in this world which so desperately needs the light of our Divine Savior.


9 posted on 07/29/2008 5:03:27 PM PDT by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: annalex

Now if the author of this piece would refrain from taking gratuitous slaps at evangelicals maybe we could get some real work done.


10 posted on 07/29/2008 5:07:08 PM PDT by xjcsa (Has anyone seen my cornballer?)
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To: annalex
One of the greatest books ever written in this regard is Newman's "Apologia Pro Vita Sua."

Newman begins by restating his opponents best case against Catholicism ... and his opponent is almost identical theologically to today's evangelicals.

After decimating Catholic belief from the evangelical point of view, he then rebuilds it step-by-step in an intellectual tour de force which takes accounts of all aspects of humanity ... not just the hyper-rational intellectual aspect.

I recommend it to everyone.

11 posted on 07/29/2008 5:09:36 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: annalex
For later.

The last edition of First Things talked of the Death of Protestant America. The author said it was basically between the Catholics and the Evangelicals.

My fear is that there are not enough orthodox Catholics and to many Rick Warren style Evangelicals to turn this country back from the abyss.

12 posted on 07/29/2008 5:12:12 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: annalex

I skimmed it my Brother and I love the way it’s going. Looking forward to the discussion.


13 posted on 07/29/2008 5:12:25 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: annalex; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Excellent post!


14 posted on 07/29/2008 5:21:38 PM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: annalex

This is the best thing I’ve read in months. Bravo. Bravo. Bravissimo!


15 posted on 07/29/2008 5:21:58 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: annalex

Thanks for the ping, and for all the valuable links...


16 posted on 07/29/2008 5:23:40 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Thanks for the recommendation!


17 posted on 07/29/2008 5:25:19 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: annalex

Actually, I believe the reason why Catholics and Evangelicals no longer are at odds with each other is simply because they’ve traded in their theology for a socialized gospel message. It is far more important to join forces on abortion or feeding the poor than it is to correctly teach the right understanding of the gospel. There isn’t much difference in the Church/church today than the American Red Cross.


18 posted on 07/29/2008 5:31:20 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
One of the greatest books ever written in this regard is Newman's "Apologia Pro Vita Sua."

I couldn't agree more, "The Faith of our Fathers" by James Cardinal Gibbons is also excellent and somewhat "easier" reading than Newman's "Apologia."

19 posted on 07/29/2008 5:33:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: HarleyD
to correctly teach the right understanding of the gospel

What, do you think, has changed in the Catholic understanding of the gospel between the Upper Room and the 1993 Catechism?

20 posted on 07/29/2008 5:44:31 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: redgolum
My fear is that there are not enough orthodox Catholics and to many Rick Warren style Evangelicals to turn this country back from the abyss.

So's mine.

21 posted on 07/29/2008 5:45:48 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: HarleyD
There isn’t much difference in the Church/church today than the American Red Cross.

Speak for your own "Church/church" there, chester.

The Catholic Church--as founded by Christ circa AD 32--has made no errors on the Gospel message...just as He promised.

22 posted on 07/29/2008 5:51:54 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

Felt a little pin prick?


23 posted on 07/29/2008 5:54:27 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Why do you ask? Were you trying to prick me?


24 posted on 07/29/2008 5:57:27 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: Petronski

No , just don’t be so defensive. There’s no reason , is there ?


25 posted on 07/29/2008 6:04:39 PM PDT by silentreignofheroes (Old Dogs and Children,and Watermelon Wine.)
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To: Petronski

I’m not presuming to speak for Harley D here, but, if I read his comment correctly he was referring more to the bane of the “social gospel” than anything else. redgolum made a similar comment and annalex agreed, that the fear is there aren’t enough Orthodox Catholics and too many “purpose driven” evangelicals out there that the Gospel message is being missed.

Your defenses are often snappy, well thought out, and often funny. I think you jumped the gun this time, though.


26 posted on 07/29/2008 6:13:30 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: raynearhood

I’ll tell you quite frankly and bluntly, regardless what other Catholics might have said (or been understood to have said) that the gulf between the Catholic Church and the Red Cross is measured not so much in distance—for it is too far—but rather more in time, for light only travels at ~186,282 miles per second...


27 posted on 07/29/2008 6:19:18 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: silentreignofheroes

Don’t be so defensive?

It was you who implied I had been pricked.

I hadn’t noticed, and still cannot tell, what you mean.


28 posted on 07/29/2008 6:21:01 PM PDT by Petronski (Scripture & Tradition must be accepted & honored w/equal sentiments of devotion & reverence. CCC 82)
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To: annalex

What a wonderful, encouraging article!

Thank you for posting it!


29 posted on 07/29/2008 6:35:00 PM PDT by sneakers (Liberty is the answer to the human condition.)
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To: wagglebee; who_would_fardels_bear
Couldn't agree more. (Plus the anti-Catholic undercurrent in all Charles Kingsley's otherwise splendid adventure books always distressed me, so I was glad to see him get his comeuppance.)

As a renegade Episcopalian turned Catholic, Newman spoke to me where I lived.

Also, since I was a history major, his statement "To be deep in history is to cease to be a Protestant" really hit home with me. I read 16th-17th English history, which had landed me right in the middle of the Counter-Reformation. It only took me 30 years to get the message . . . one of God's stubborn wayward sheep.

Another good book for Episcopalians/Anglicans thinking about taking the plunge into the Tiber is This is The Faith by Canon Francis Ripley.

He was the head of the Catholic Missionary Society in London, so he naturally gauged his argument and reasoning towards Anglicans!

30 posted on 07/29/2008 6:36:07 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chase, TTGS Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: raynearhood
I’m not presuming to speak for Harley D here, but, if I read his comment correctly he was referring more to the bane of the “social gospel” than anything else. redgolum made a similar comment and annalex agreed, that the fear is there aren’t enough Orthodox Catholics and too many “purpose driven” evangelicals out there that the Gospel message is being missed.

There is a faithful remnant.

Listen to one of our services.

31 posted on 07/29/2008 6:36:16 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: annalex; Petronski; NYer
7. Secularism. With the collapse of the Mainline churches as the backbone of American religion over the past thirty years (since about 1975), Catholics and Evangelicals are the only ones left standing in this country to present the Gospel. Secularism is on the rise and is ruthless. Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age. And, with the pope, we have a pretty effective means for communicating the faith and representing it to the world. There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.

A moment of wretched honesty on my part. I watched World Youth Day from a distance - mostly from the threads posted by NYer - and I felt a bit of the terrible sting of envy. There is no doubt that there were tons of young Catholics being taught and/or exposed to traditional Catholicism in an exciting way. I wish I could see Reformation theology being presented in a similar way.

Promise Keepers was supposed to do that for Christian fathers and husbands, but ended up highjacked by the "purpose driven" evangelicals. There used to be great traveling Youth Convention called CYI (Christ in Youth). As a young Bible College student, I worked with this group, organizing, making flyers, putting together packets. It was a great success for a couple years in the late 90's... also highjacked.

The problem, in my opinion, isn't that "evangelicals" can't do anything, it's what "evangelicals" have become. It would be wonderful to see a return to sound theology by evangelicals from the social theology they presently follow. I know of no Reformed Christian that accepts the "purpose driven" drivel. I think that Catholics and Reformed Christians would have a tougher time reconciling, as our theology tends to be diametrically opposed.

Of course, I still think that we should have sane debate over our differences, as opposed to some of the stuff that goes on here, on other forums, and in the "marketplace." Call me crazy, but I like sane debate.
32 posted on 07/29/2008 6:43:20 PM PDT by raynearhood ("As for you, when wide awake you are asleep, and asleep when you write..." - Jerome)
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To: Bosco
A Review of and Response to "Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium

Here's a quote that summarizes ECT:

The simple fact is that any honest Protestant or Roman Catholic can see that this document, for all its assiduous claims otherwise, compromises both the Roman Catholic and Protestant positions. Both sides have to admit that one can not firmly believe that the message he preaches from his pulpit is true and believe that the message preached by the other is equally true. The contradictions are too large to be hidden by the language of a document such as this.

33 posted on 07/29/2008 6:44:05 PM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: annalex

I am a Christian whose vehicle is Catholicism. To put aside internal bickering would be a godsend.


34 posted on 07/29/2008 7:00:53 PM PDT by stevio (Crunchy Con - God, guns, guts, and organically grown crunchy nuts.)
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To: diamond6

It would be a real blessing if both Catholics and Protestants did stop fighting on this site and realized that we must stand together in a increasing secular and dark world.


35 posted on 07/29/2008 7:20:54 PM PDT by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^==^..^=)
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To: Bosco

I agree with the quote. There are too many differences. And chief among them is the teaching about Mary.


36 posted on 07/29/2008 8:04:56 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: annalex
Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age.

Uh, no. John MacArthur, R.C. Sproul, Ravi Zacharias, William Lane Craig, JP Moreland, Gary Habermas, Alvin Plantinga...to name just a few, are some of the best minds in America, perhaps in the world...and they are all Evangelicals.

37 posted on 07/29/2008 8:10:30 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: annalex

Stunning article!


38 posted on 07/29/2008 9:31:21 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: LiteKeeper

I heard of one or two of them, but the question is not that the Evangelicals are not smart but that their theology, by definition anti-clerical, is not a sufficient resource to combat secularism.


39 posted on 07/29/2008 9:42:23 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Anti-clericalism was supported by the founding fathers (including Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin) because they knew how the clerisy had corrupted earlier experiments in Republicanism and were partially responsible for the wars of religion that all but decimated Britain and the continent.

It was the politicized clergy and hostility to Republicanism by the Catholic Church that caused said Church to be hated by many American citizens for years. It was only through assimilation (and adaptation of American Republicanism) that Catholics became accepted.

Clerical-influenced governments and quasi-theocracies are as hostile toward our Republic as communism and Mohammadism. Some of us prefer Washington and Jefferson's America over Salazar's Portugal and Franco's Spain.

40 posted on 07/29/2008 9:47:38 PM PDT by Clemenza (No Comment)
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To: annalex

Some of us Protestants have also moved out of pietism and into the more rigorous neighborhoods of our own tradition. R. J. Rushdoony, the ArmEnian Calvinist, frequently cited, with respect, the work of Catholic scholars.


41 posted on 07/30/2008 12:59:36 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: LiteKeeper

I just can’t resist tossing Michael Horton into the pile....


42 posted on 07/30/2008 1:08:14 AM PDT by Gamecock (The question is not, Am I good enough to be a Christian? rather Am I good enough not to be?)
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To: raynearhood
I know of no Reformed Christian that accepts the "purpose driven" drivel. I think that Catholics and Reformed Christians would have a tougher time reconciling, as our theology tends to be diametrically opposed.

Reformed and Catholic Christians both take the life of the mind seriously. American pietism denigrates the intellect, and consequently often looks, and acts, pretty stupid. (Can anybody say "Hal Lindsey?" or "Key 73?")

Emotional experiences, and false conversions, are easily induced by trained stage hypnotists ("every head bowed, every eye closed...") One of the most influential of these stage acts, Billy Graham, had enough integrity to do the math. His own statistics demonstrated, decades ago, that this approach to "evangelism" had a 96% defect rate. Only 4% of those who "went forward" at Graham's "crusades" actual demonstrated the genuine fruits of conversion.

A real conversion transforms the mind, as well as the "heart."

43 posted on 07/30/2008 1:10:13 AM PDT by RJR_fan (Winners and lovers shape the future. Whiners and losers TRY TO PREDICT IT.)
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To: redgolum
My fear is that there are not enough orthodox Catholics and to many Rick Warren style Evangelicals to turn this country back from the abyss.

As if it is ONLY the liberal Protestants that are the worry. Orthodox Protestants OR orthodox Catholics would be better than the more liberal versions of either kind, IMHO.

I have my differences with my Catholic FRiends here (as some may have determined by now), but at the least we agree upon the Gospel and have the benefit of moral absolutes to start from. Our many differences aside, We all know right from wrong, honor our God, our fathers, and our forefathers ... Without those roots, it is all lost. Just as it is already gone in most of Christendom.

As to the main point of the article, I disagree. I am all for working together where it is possible, but I do not see a "coming together", nor do I think it desirable, until the coming of our Lord to set it all straight.

44 posted on 07/30/2008 1:54:54 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: annalex
Catholic Church itself, got a leg up and there was an explosion of books, magazines and websites that effectively undercut the arguments of the 5 Solas.

I haven't seen yet anything coming from the Catholic church that was or is effective...

With the apologetic movement hitting at the same time, Evangelicals were also confronted with Catholics who could argue from the Bible defending their faith and demonstrating the weaknesses of Evangelical interpretations of scripture.

Like crowning Mary with the title if Mediatrix and dispenser of Grace??? You couldn't defend nonsense like that even if Perry Mason was your Catholic attorney...

Evangelicals are now learning that only Catholicism has the intellectual resources to combat the present secular age.

Jesus said He wrote the Scripture to confound you intellectual giants...

There is nothing an Evangelical can do that will match the power of one World Youth Day.

That's true...A non Catholic wouldn't provide non Christian rock groups to lure the young, and then call it a spiritual happening...

It looks like this article was written for propaganda for CATHOLICS...

45 posted on 07/30/2008 5:23:47 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: diamond6
I hope one day we will all be united. United, we can be a powerful force against evil in this world which so desperately needs the light of our Divine Savior.

We will be united...When you become a Protestant...

46 posted on 07/30/2008 5:26:28 AM PDT by Iscool (If Obama becomes the President, it will be an Obama-nation)
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To: raynearhood; annalex; Petronski
Promise Keepers was supposed to do that for Christian fathers and husbands, but ended up highjacked by the "purpose driven" evangelicals. There used to be great traveling Youth Convention called CYI (Christ in Youth). As a young Bible College student, I worked with this group, organizing, making flyers, putting together packets. It was a great success for a couple years in the late 90's... also highjacked.

The problem, in my opinion, isn't that "evangelicals" can't do anything, it's what "evangelicals" have become.

The problem, dear friend, is the lack of a central authority figure. This is true for ALL non-Catholic denominations, the Muslims and even the Jews. Jesus said: "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." He left St. Peter in charge to ensure His Church would continue until His return. He entrusted the guidance of His Church to the Holy Spirit and assured us all that "not even the gates of hell would prevail" (Matthew 16:18). The Church cannot commit error. Individual clergy may commit sins, even popes commit sins because in the Church there are both "weeds and wheat" (Matthew 13:30).

When Pope Benedict XVI speaks, the world listens. He is the humblest servant of all, the servant of the servants of God. That humility is beautifully exemplified in the address he delivered on the day of his election.


Apostolic Blessing "Urbi et Orbi" (April 19, 2005)

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

After the great Pope John Paul II, the Cardinals have elected me, a simple and humble labourer in the vineyard of the Lord.

The fact that the Lord knows how to work and to act even with inadequate instruments comforts me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers.

Let us move forward in the joy of the Risen Lord, confident of his unfailing help. The Lord will help us and Mary, his Most Holy Mother, will be on our side. Thank you.



47 posted on 07/30/2008 6:07:39 AM PDT by NYer ("Ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ." - St. Jerome)
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To: LiteKeeper
The Marian dogmas are high on the list, but I submit that the most basic issue is that of the doctrine of justification.

I am reading an excellent study of the doctrine in this book - "The God Who Justifies"

48 posted on 07/30/2008 6:50:58 AM PDT by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: Iscool
Youth Explosion DP

What does precious Andy Petite show these kids? How to lie publicly and get away with it. How do throw your ill father under the bus. How to lie in a deposition to congress. Oh and this is his father-in-law's church that is sponsoring this gala. The father-in-law has been the pastor of this church since the early 1970's. There is quite a power vacuum.

A number of the non-Catholic locals have been unhappy about this particular event for the last few years.

49 posted on 07/30/2008 6:55:31 AM PDT by Jaded (Does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Iscool

No, but thanks for asking.


50 posted on 07/30/2008 6:56:17 AM PDT by Jaded (Does it really need a sarcasm tag?)
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