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Canadians Moving Towards Creation
Private | 8/8/08 | I. Juby

Posted on 08/08/2008 8:17:24 PM PDT by Liberty1970

Angus-Reid Poll shows majority of Canadians believe in Evolution, but....

Terry Beh recently brought this poll to my attention (Terry operates an excellent "Fossil news" e-newsletter than anyone can sign up for - just email him at TPBeh@aol.com)

http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/canadians_choose_evolution_over_creationism/

Two polls were conducted in July 2008 & June 2007. Here's the average results from across Canada for the July 2008 survey: "Human beings evolved from less advanced life forms over millions of years:" 58% "God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years:" 22% "Not sure:" 20%

Source: Angus Reid Strategies Methodology: Online interviews with 1,007 Canadian adults, conducted on Jul. 29 and Jul. 30, 2008. Margin of error is 3.1 per cent.

You'd think I'd be disappointed right now, but wait for it.....

The June 2007 poll was the same poll that was spurned by the opening of Canada's first permanent creation museum, the Big Valley Creation Science Museum, and this is simply a follow-up poll. (see the first poll here: http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/view/16178)

Another poll (actually taken before the Angus-Reid poll) was more specific, and took into account the theistic evolution position: http://www.decima.com/en/pdf/news_releases/070706E.pdf

This of course lined up better with other polls, with the majority of the population believing in a Creator God, if you include the theistic evolutionists.

The Toronto star had called asking for my opinion on this poll then, and I'll repeat it here: The numbers are about what I would expect. Why? Every poll taken shows that the majority (in both Canada and the US) believe in a creator God - so why does this poll show the majority believing evolution? It's because of the wording of the questions: The question relating to evolution would include theistic evolutionists - that is those who believe God used evolution. In fact, you'll notice when you read the June 2007 poll that they had a second question about dinosaurs and humans living together, and the majority believed they did! (42% agreed, 37% disagreed) This flies in the face of evolutionary belief, and reflects the beliefs of the theistic evolutionists.

Strangely, though this poll is a repeat of last year, they left off that second question pertaining to dinosaurs and humans living together for this poll - I wonder why? There is also a couple of very noteworthy changes in stats between the two polls: Alberta was the only province that had more people choose creation over evolution. What a coincidence! Alberta is home to the Big Valley Creation museum, Creation Truth Ministry's creation museum, and the Bow Island Creation museum, as well as home to the largest dinosaur museum in the world, the pro-evolution Royal Tyrell museum.

But that's not all - let's praise the Lord together because we now are seeing the effectiveness of Creation museums! There was a whopping turn-over in opinion in Alberta in the past year - the year following the opening of two permanent creation museums in Alberta! Last year 58% of Albertan pollsters believed evolution, whereas a mere 28% believed God created human beings in their present form in the last 10,000 years, while 14% weren't sure. Clearly the majority believed in evolution and rejected the young-earth creation model.

Now check out the major turnover in this year's poll of Albertans: 37% believed we evolved (down 21 points from 58%!), 40% believed in a young earth creation (up 12 points from 28%), and 23% said they didn't know (up 9 points from 14%)!

Congratulations to Harry Nibourg (owner of the Big Valley Museum), Vance Nelson (Owner of the Creation Truth Museum) and Larry Dye (owner of the Bow Island museum) - you've had a profound impact on the beliefs of Albertans - let's work on the rest of Canada now.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; History; Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: canuckluddism; creation; evolution; museum; polls
A few days ago a pro-evolution poll came out that divided young-earth creationists from everyone else to try to paint Canadians as anti-creationist. Now with additional evidence in hand it looks like we have a more balanced picture. Whether the creation museums are having a major impact or not, the evidence continues to show evolutionists are having difficulty holding their ground in the face of mounting scientific evidence.

It's really just a matter of time before someone in the conventional establishment admits the obvious regarding population genetics and evolutionary biology studies (I'm thinking Mendel's Accountant and similar software, as well as studies of beneficial mutations and whether they are phylogenetically degenerative or innovative), and announces that students that persist in believing evolutionism will be denied degrees for their obvious incompetence. ;-)

1 posted on 08/08/2008 8:17:24 PM PDT by Liberty1970
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To: Coyoteman

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3 posted on 08/08/2008 8:32:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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Thanks for you response, just wanted conformation.

Psalm 53:1


5 posted on 08/08/2008 8:49:47 PM PDT by doc1019 (I was taught to respect my elders, but it's getting harder to find one.)
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To: Liberty1970
Please post again when Canada 'noves' toward free speech and free publication of opinion.

Any nation that turns over these two notions to 'human rights' tribunals is a fraud when it comes to liberty, and inalienable rights generally.

6 posted on 08/08/2008 9:31:01 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: AndyTheBear
... unless you think that the people making the museum really don't believe the doctrines they are presenting, your comment above seems beneath you

Belief in the face of overwhelming scientific evidence is not something I admire.

I see this more as a case of self-imposed ignorance on the part of many of those involved. A few may even be in it for the money.

One of the items that bothers me the most is the dinosaurs and humans coexisting falsehood. There is simply no excuse for such a belief in this day and age. If someone's religious belief depends on such "facts" then they are living in a constant state of denial and self-imposed ignorance. In either case it is sad.

8 posted on 08/08/2008 9:54:35 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Liberty1970

“In fact, you’ll notice when you read the June 2007 poll that they had a second question about dinosaurs and humans living together, and the majority believed they did!”

If creationists require belief such as above, then they will never have a chance with an informed public. This is about as reasonable as believing that the heavens revolve around the earth, as the Christians once demanded.


11 posted on 08/08/2008 11:37:04 PM PDT by vanishing liberty
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To: Coyoteman
Sorry, I have no respect for that type of falsehood in the guise of science.

Yo, Coyoteman! My concern is that evolution has been consigned to the same level of doctrine that creationism inhabits, a thought very much in line with creationist claims.

Just the other night I saw a segment of a show entitled, I believe, "Evolution", or close to that, and it was very disturbing to me to hear the constant attributions to Evolution of powers and intentions that could just as easily have been made to the Creator.

Mother of Rome, delight of Gods and men,
Dear Venus that beneath the gliding stars
Makest to teem the many-voyaged main
And fruitful lands- for all of living things
Through thee alone are evermore conceived,
Through thee are risen to visit the great sun-
Before thee, Goddess, and thy coming on,
Flee stormy wind and massy cloud away,
For thee the daedal Earth bears scented flowers,
For thee waters of the unvexed deep
Smile, and the hollows of the serene sky
Glow with diffused radiance for thee!

- Lucretius

12 posted on 08/09/2008 12:03:37 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: Liberty1970
God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years:"

LOL! And fossils are what? Devil's deception?

When Galileo Galilei showed the Vatican officials through his small telescope the moon pocketed by craters the cardinals said it was an "illusion" created by Satan to deceive us into believing heavenly bodies were not perfect spheres, that things "in heaven" are not perfect! LOL!

Yeah, everybody knows that the planets must be perfect because they are in "heavens." Talk about dark ages!

As they say: ignorance is bliss, and the more reptillian the brain size is, the more such bliss increases.

17 posted on 08/09/2008 8:23:52 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: valkyry1; Coyoteman; wendy1946

Drop all the Nazi related references and get back to the issues.


18 posted on 08/09/2008 9:46:55 AM PDT by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Drop Nazi related references.

No problem, I did not introduce them.


19 posted on 08/09/2008 10:05:33 AM PDT by valkyry1
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To: Coyoteman

That’s curious, we went to the Georgia Aquarium this past spring and the guides explained that some of the creatures, like the alligator gar, are indeed dinosaurs.


20 posted on 08/09/2008 11:23:46 AM PDT by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing-----Edmund Burke)
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To: Liberty1970

Creation museums - promoting falsehoods and Lying for the Lord. They do their best to essentially tell people not to think, but simply believe. It’s the best way to keep the ignorant and the desperate filling the plate.


21 posted on 08/14/2008 6:15:37 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Religion Moderator

No Nazi references. he was just showing that creation museums use classical proaganda techniques since all they have are lies and deceptions to make their points.


22 posted on 08/14/2008 6:19:44 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what an Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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