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Posted on 08/17/2008 12:54:10 PM PDT by carolgr
We Catholics find ourselves at a very interesting point in history. Once again, presidential elections are upon us and we represent the largest bloc of religious voters at an estimated 25% of America s registered voting population. Therefore, Senators Obama and McCain are out to get our votes.
On the one hand, signatories of Roman Catholics for Obama 08 claim, We are real, honest-to-goodness, practicing Catholics who embrace and call attention to Catholic Social Teaching
This is unbelievable given Sen. Barack Obamas (D-IL) record, especially his infamous crusade against the Illinois version of the Born-Alive Infants Protection Act, which was passed and signed into law before he made it to Congress.
Yet, like Obama, many of his nominally Catholic endorsers have violated the most fundamental human rights taught and defended by the Catholic Church because, as the Church defines it, they cooperated in abortions and human embryonic stem cell research. These evils are so grave that the Vatican s Cardinal Angelo Amato called them terrorism.
One of Obamas Catholics, Kansas governor Kathleen Sebelius (D), was personally and publicly informed by Kansas City s Archbishop Joseph Naumann that she disqualifies herself from Holy Communion and she should take the difficult political step, but necessary moral step, of repudiating her past actions in support of legalized abortion.
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It may be above my pay grade to state this, but real Catholics are not buying Obama’s line on life.
Now you are making me think about the city of En-cino.
Catholics on FR are better qualified than I am to respond to Obama’s appeal to Catholics.
Like everything else about Obama, even his Catholics are make-pretend.
Ping to you, so easily wooed.....
In which case then, there are only half as many Catholics out there than you guys claim...
Trouble is, if they've been baptized, you're stuck with 'em...
How can any Catholic vote for such a Pro-Abortion Baby Killer like Obama???
I agree. I’m amazed at the people I hear talking about supporting Obama. Arghhhhhhh.
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I must admit, that is one heck of good post, done with theological precision, and a good sense of humor
Kudos from this Catholic
Pax et bonum
The Knights of Columbus does more to promote pro life values than many of our Priests do at the pulpit.
The fact that the Catholic population does not understand/care to know the facts about different candidates or reflect on their Catholic values to determine who they vote for is tragic and inexcusable.
Everything Obama is for, or believes in, is IMHO contrary to the basic tenets of Christianity in general. And that's because he's a communist.
He may espouse 'Matthew' but he's got 'Marx' in his heart.
Again, lets not confuse practicing Catholics with CINO’s.
Obama has two chances of winning...slim & none and “Slim” just left the building. LOL
And some scientific researcher argues that embryonic/fetal stem cells won't work anyway. I'm sure there are others who argue the opposite.
What a conundrum. On that alone, I don't want to vote for McCain, could bring myself around if he had a true change of heart and mind. No one can talk me into or out of anything. I am the decider of how I vote, and I do highly regard Catholic moral teachings on this issue; indeed were it not for that, I might have swerved a different way myself. To my knowledge, the Catholic church is the only Christian religious body that speaks out on this issue with such clarity (at the magisterial level).
Chaput's letter was a little confusing when I read it.
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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,
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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A
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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),
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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent
You do fine. Not to worry!
**Any Catholics voting for Obama ought to get double purgatory. And for the sake of emphasis, I’ll g throw in my fellow evangelical protestants.**
For Catholics it is worse that Purgatory. It is a mortal sin, which if when a Catholic dies without having repented that vote/mortal sin — those Catholics will be bound for Hell.
See the quote from the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Catholics also excommunicate themselves from the Catholic Church by voting in support of abortion.
We can’t without the threat of grave sin. See my previous two posts.
Tell them the truth — even if you end up sounding like a Catholic.
They will be supporting murder and that is against the Commandment, “Thou shalt not kill.”
Oh, my you should have heard our deacon’s homily last night and today. He talked about this issue and supporting votes for candidates that support life at all stages.
He framed it around the prejudices against the Canaanite woman and how prejudices work there ways into our voting. (Going with the left.)
Did you hear McCain’s prompt reply to Rick Warren last night when he was asked when life for a human began?
His immediate reply was “Conception.”
When Obama was asked the same question he weaseled out of it by saying it was above his pay grade.
(Guess he doesn’t plan on going to heaven, huh?) That’s the pay grade for ministers and priests who support those who seek help with the abortion question! Something to think about.
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McCain campaign plans very aggressive outreach to Catholic voters
McCain Meets with Selected Catholic Leaders
I do tell them, believe me. Catholics have been stalwart in the fight to protect the unborn. I don’t mind sounding like them at all in this fight for life. Love, M
Sorry that I missed what happened last night; I'll try to find a synopsis of that. All I read so far is that the left is underwhelmed with Obama's performance (not that it will change any minds and hearts).
Sometimes it almost seems like God is not on our side; that is when it takes real faith to keep going and stay the course. Christians are taking a real hit of late, but nothing compared to the sufferings of some even to martyrdom under the yoke of other repressions in the world at large. I fear our turn is coming. It doesn't look possible sometimes, but I wonder . . .
Thanks, Mary. God will bless you abundantly.
Do a search for Saddleback
A lot of the those forum posts will come up and I know there were linked CNN, Cspan, YouTube references. I also think that Fox will re-run it.
Thank you, Salvation. Will do.
Thank you. He already has. Love, M
Ugh, I hate “social justice” Catholics. Why don’t they just become Episcopalian already????
All Catholics who vote for Democrats should be excommunicated!!