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Head of Vatican's Highest Court: "Obligation to Deny Communion to Pro-Abortion" Politicians
LifeSiteNews ^ | 8/18/08 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 08/19/2008 4:06:22 PM PDT by wagglebee

ROME, August 19, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The head of the highest court in the Vatican has given an interview with a Roman magazine in which he notes that when dealing with pro-abortion Catholic politicians, "the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny It (Communion) to him."

Last month, Pope Benedict XVI appointed Archbishop Raymond Burke, formerly the Archbishop of St. Louis, as the Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, which is the highest judicial authority of the Catholic Church besides the Pope himself.  In an interview published in the current edition of the Italian magazine Radici Cristiane, Archbishop Burke addresses the issue which has caused great controversy among the hierarchy in the West.

In the interview, parts of which were translated by Catholic News Agency, the Archbishop noted first that pro-abortion Catholic politicians should be publicly corrected and told not to receive: and, if they persist, they should be denied.   He spoke of dealing with "public officials" who contravene Divine and Eternal law such as "if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives." 

"A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life," the archbishop said.  "If a person who has been admonished persists in public mortal sin and attempts to receive Communion, the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny it to him. Why? Above all, for the salvation of that person, preventing him from committing a sacrilege," he added.

The Archbishop explained that the Church does this "not with the intention of interfering in public life but rather in the spiritual state of the politician or public official who, if Catholic, should follow the divine law in the public sphere as well," reported Catholic News Agency.

"We must avoid giving people the impression that one can be in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist," the archbishop continued.  "Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious - if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion."

"If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think? He or she could come to believe that it up to a certain point it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother's womb," he warned.

See related LifeSiteNews.com coverage:

Abortion-Politician-Communion Scandal Shows Real Lack of Pastoral Concern
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/may/08052102.html

Can Catholics Who Vote for Obama Still Receive Communion
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/jun/08061208.html


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; communion; moralabsolutes; prolife
The Archbishop explained that the Church does this "not with the intention of interfering in public life but rather in the spiritual state of the politician or public official who, if Catholic, should follow the divine law in the public sphere as well," reported Catholic News Agency.

Very well said!

1 posted on 08/19/2008 4:06:22 PM PDT by wagglebee
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Good!


2 posted on 08/19/2008 4:07:43 PM PDT by livius
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3 posted on 08/19/2008 4:09:01 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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4 posted on 08/19/2008 4:09:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

paging Doug Kmiec. promoting such politicians makes one as culpable, IMO.


5 posted on 08/19/2008 4:11:21 PM PDT by xsmommy
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To: wagglebee
The head of the highest court in the Vatican has given an interview with a Roman magazine in which he notes that when dealing with pro-abortion Catholic politicians, "the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny It (Communion) to him."

And we all know how that's turned out for pro-abortion Catholic politicians...

6 posted on 08/19/2008 4:12:08 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (What can I say? It's a gift. And I didn't get a receipt, so I can't exchange it.)
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To: wagglebee

You can’t do that - I’m suing the Church.

(/sarcasm)


7 posted on 08/19/2008 4:13:37 PM PDT by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Obama for President!)
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To: wagglebee
How about those who vote for the pro-aborts? I do admire the Catholic church for bringing attention to the issue even if it seems they are all talk and no action.

I'm not necessarily criticizing as my very own church is pretty much in the same boat.

8 posted on 08/19/2008 4:14:41 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: wagglebee

“Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious - if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion.”

Here’s a Bishop who understands how to teach! I hope this way of thinking spreads to the rest of the mitred crowd.

Freegards


9 posted on 08/19/2008 4:16:09 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Alex Murphy

I think a big difference here is that Cardinal Burke is an America and he is far more likely to pressure bishops to enforce it.


10 posted on 08/19/2008 4:17:58 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
"If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think? He or she could come to believe that it up to a certain point it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother's womb," he warned.

Is that a light bulb I see going on????

11 posted on 08/19/2008 4:36:51 PM PDT by workerbee (Vote for Obama? No thanks, I already have a messiah.)
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To: wagglebee
I think a big difference here is that Cardinal Burke is an America and he is far more likely to pressure bishops to enforce it.

The question is how does this sort of thing get enforced!?! If you know of a priest who does this, should a layman contact his superiors, or contact the Vatican directly? If it is a bishop who commits the offense, who do you report it to? How is the Vatican to act, if they don't know of the sin?

12 posted on 08/19/2008 5:53:04 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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To: wagglebee

The article from CNA quoted by LifeSite:


Rome, Aug 19, 2008 / 10:00 am (CNA).- The prefect of the Apostolic Signature, Archbishop Raymond Burke, said this week that Catholics, especially politicians who publically defend abortion, should not receive Communion, and that ministers of Communion should be responsibly charitable in denying it to them if they ask for it, “until they have reformed their lives.”

In an interview with the magazine, Radici Christiane, Archbishop Burke pointed out that there is often a lack of reverence at Mass when receiving Communion. “Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ unworthily is a sacrilege,” he warned. “If it is done deliberately in mortal sin it is a sacrilege.”

To illustrate his point, he referred to “public officials who, with knowledge and consent, uphold actions that are against the Divine and Eternal moral law. For example, if they support abortion, which entails the taking of innocent and defenseless human lives. A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life,” the archbishop said.

“If a person who has been admonished persists in public mortal sin and attempts to receive Communion, the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny it to him. Why? Above all, for the salvation of that person, preventing him from committing a sacrilege,” he added.

“We must avoid giving people the impression that one can be in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist,” the archbishop continued. “Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious - if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion.”

“If we have a public figure who is openly and deliberately upholding abortion rights and receiving the Eucharist, what will the average person think? He or she could come to believe that it up to a certain point it is okay to do away with an innocent life in the mother’s womb,” he warned.

Archbishop Burke also noted that when a bishop or a Church leader prevents an abortion supporter from receiving Communion, “it is not with the intention of interfering in public life but rather in the spiritual state of the politician or public official who, if Catholic, should follow the divine law in the public sphere as well.”

“Therefore, it is simply ridiculous and wrong to try to silence a pastor, accusing him of interfering in politics so that he cannot do good to the soul of a member of his flock,” he stated.

It is “simply wrong” to think that the faith must be reduced to the private sphere and eliminated from public life, Archbishop Burke said, encouraging Catholics “to bear witness to our faith not only in private in our homes but also in our public lives with others in order to bear strong witness to Christ.”


http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=13562


13 posted on 08/19/2008 6:05:52 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
There are a number of news stories posted on this forum when a pro-abortion politician is seen receiving communion. There is no reason to think the channels of information that lead those stories here don't also flow to Rome. Burke will likely be able to put discreet pressure on the American bishops directly or indirectly responsible for allowing such. With lower-profile politicians, you will (hopefully) have the discipline trickling down, so that local priests and bishops have the courage to deny the Body and Blood.
14 posted on 08/19/2008 6:09:54 PM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: thefrankbaum
With lower-profile politicians, you will (hopefully) have the discipline trickling down, so that local priests and bishops have the courage to deny the Body and Blood.

What I want is a way to assist in helping this discipline trickling down. Perhaps groups of Catholic laymen living near pro-abortion Catholic politicians could monitor these politicians at Mass, to see if they are given communion, then report the scandal to the bishop and/or the Vatican. After all, it is the duty of each individual Catholic to help stop such a public scandal.

15 posted on 08/19/2008 6:43:14 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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And we all know how that's turned out for pro-abortion Catholic politicians...

Of course, you have heard many of us bemoan Archbishop Wuerl of DC. The best thing to say about him is that he is not Cardinal McCarrick.

Archbishop Burke is intimately familiar with the

rchbishop of St. Louis. As it stands, he was in the minority (unfortunately) among the bishops of the US.

This is not to say that the majority of bishops were pro-abortion, but they do not act with as much fortitude as is needed to really make the point with CINO politicians

What makes this really critical is that as the Prefect of the Apostolic Signature he has important duties that give him, after a fashion, the authority to deal with bishops who are not doing their jobs. His job is defined in the Apostolic Constitution, Pastor Bonus, Articles 121-125:

Art. 121 — The Apostolic Signatura functions as the supreme tribunal and also ensures that justice in the Church is correctly administered.

Art. 122 — This Tribunal adjudicates:

1. complaints of nullity and petitions for total reinstatement against sentences of the Roman Rota;

2. in cases concerning the status of persons, recourses when the Roman Rota has denied a new examination of the case;

3. exceptions of suspicion and other proceedings against judges of the Roman Rota arising from the exercise of their functions;

4. conflicts of competence between tribunals which are not subject to the same appellate tribunal.

Art. 123 — § 1. The Signatura adjudicates recourses lodged within the peremptory limit of thirty canonical days against singular administrative acts whether issued by the dicasteries of the Roman Curia or approved by them, whenever it is contended that the impugned act violated some law either in the decision-making process or in the procedure used.

§ 2. In these cases, in addition to the judgement regarding illegality of the act, it can also adjudicate, at the request of the plaintiff, the reparation of damages incurred through the unlawful act.

§ 3. The Signatura also adjudicates other administrative controversies referred to it by the Roman Pontiff or by dicasteries of the Roman Curia, as well as conflicts of competence between these dicasteries.

Art. 124 — The Signatura also has the responsibility:

1. to exercise vigilance over the correct administration of justice, and, if need be, to censure advocates and procurators;

2. to deal with petitions presented to the Apostolic See for obtaining the commission of a case to the Roman Rota or some other favour relative to the administration of justice;

3. to extend the competence of lower tribunals;

4. to grant its approval to tribunals for appeals reserved to the Holy See, and to promote and approve the erection of interdiocesan tribunals.

Art. 125 — The Apostolic Signatura is governed by its own law.

Please pay particular attention to Art. 124 § 2. Burke, who has made his feelings well known, has the competence to refer petitions for trial by the Rota. Now I'm not a canon lawyer, but it seems that if there is a bishop somewhere who is not doing his job of enforcing ecclesial law, a group of faithful might be able to get a sharp canon lawyer to put together a petition to the Apostolic See asking them to review the bishop's conduct. And Burke is the one to approve the peitition and refer the case or to disapprove the case.

Now, if my reading of Pastor Bonus is correct, it seems that the US bishops may pay him considerable heed. At worst, there might be exactly one case referred to the Rota for adjudication. And then the remainder of them would likely quickly figure it out.

(For those complaining about Burke's departure from the US, you should keep the above in mind!!)

16 posted on 08/19/2008 6:43:24 PM PDT by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
The question is how does this sort of thing get enforced!?!

As Stalin said, "How many divisions does the Pope have?". It will not be enforced. There is too much money involved.

17 posted on 08/19/2008 6:52:59 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: TexasRedeye
As Stalin said, "How many divisions does the Pope have?"

When it comes to the internal control of the Church, the Pope has all the divisions. As far as your comment about money is concerned, it is beneath contempt.

18 posted on 08/19/2008 7:19:46 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (DEATH TO PUTIN!)
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To: wagglebee

**”We must avoid giving people the impression that one can be in a state of mortal sin and receive the Eucharist,” the archbishop continued. “Secondly, there could be another form of scandal, consisting of leading people to think that the public act that this person is doing, which until now everyone believed was a serious sin, is really not that serious - if the Church allows him or her to receive Communion.”**

Sometimes, I don’t think the politicians realize that we are watching!


19 posted on 08/19/2008 9:19:46 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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20 posted on 08/20/2008 3:48:55 AM PDT by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: wagglebee
Last month, Pope Benedict XVI appointed Archbishop Raymond Burke, formerly the Archbishop of St. Louis, as the Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura, which is the highest judicial authority of the Catholic Church besides the Pope himself.

Wooohoo! I love Pope Benedict!

I hope the American bishops are paying attention. Bishop Burke has been a (almost) lone American voice with respect to denying communion to pro-abortion politicians.

21 posted on 08/20/2008 5:58:52 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I think, once Archbishop Burke begins to knock around some of the American Bishops, the rest will smarten up. For those priests who continue to provide the Eucharist to pro-Abortion politicians, a couple nagging phone calls to the local Bishop from laity would cause some action to begin immediately. I don't think any Bishop is going to want their feet held to the fire after one of their number has already been held responsible in some way.
22 posted on 08/20/2008 5:59:58 AM PDT by thefrankbaum (Ad maiorem Dei gloriam)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
When it comes to the internal control of the Church, the Pope has all the divisions. As far as your comment about money is concerned, it is beneath contempt.

I believe that is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read on this forum! If the Pope could "enforce" this edict, he would. He is powerless in this regard and it is shown and has been shown by the fact that the pseudo-Catholic politicians go against His proclamations every time they vote on any issue that would (in their donors eyes) weaken Roe v. Wade. Otherwise why is it that they have not been excommunicated, hmmmmmm?

23 posted on 08/20/2008 6:00:27 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
If you know of a priest who does this, should a layman contact his superiors, or contact the Vatican directly? If it is a bishop who commits the offense, who do you report it to?

Like Jesus instructed us, we are to work our way up the chain of command. If the priest errs, first go to the priest, then to the bishop, then to the papal nuncio, and finally, to the Vatican.

24 posted on 08/20/2008 6:01:51 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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The Democrats will no doubt respond by saying the church is messing in politics, and taking a look at the tax free status.


25 posted on 08/20/2008 6:05:26 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: TexasRedeye
It will not be enforced. There is too much money involved.

Do you really think that pro-abortion politicians are big donors to the Church? (If that's what you're implying). Secondly, unfounded accusations of this kind are uncharitable, to put it politely.

26 posted on 08/20/2008 6:05:53 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
Do you really think that pro-abortion politicians are big donors to the Church?

Yes and yes! How much money has the Kennedys and Kerrys given to the "church" in Massachusetts? How much money has the Kennedys, Kerrys, Boxers, Pelosis, Durbins, etc, etc, gotten from the abortion supporters? They would lose both their donor base and their seats in power without that money. They then "buy" their way into the "church" for publicity reasons.

NO! The Pope cannot, and his minions will not, enforce His pro-life edicts on American politicians! EVER!

Too much money involved as I said.

I guess I am just tired of the whining about this situation. After all these years, it is time for the "church" to enforce their beliefs on their politicians (which the Pope and the church leaders claim to have the right to do) and the people who support them with donations and their votes or simply shut up about it and "move on"!

27 posted on 08/20/2008 6:28:04 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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28 posted on 08/20/2008 6:42:14 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: wagglebee
"A person who commits sin in this way should be publicly admonished in such a way as to not receive Communion until he or she has reformed his life," the archbishop said. "If a person who has been admonished persists in public mortal sin and attempts to receive Communion, the minister of the Eucharist has the obligation to deny it to him. Why? Above all, for the salvation of that person, preventing him from committing a sacrilege," he added.

Why isn't there a similar statement about the eternal peril that a priest faces for knowingly administering the blessed sacrament to a politician who persists in this public mortal sin? Isn't the priest at least as culpable if he knowingly administers the sacrament in this situation?

29 posted on 08/20/2008 11:08:14 AM PDT by delacoert
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