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To: chuckles

>>If Catholics started to insist that you BE Catholic, the church would self destruct. <<

So this is the reason why in orthodox and traditional diocese the faith is growing?

Sorry, the time of Kumbaya Catholic is over. People are flocking to traditional churches, including my own that does not allow Altar Girls and includes kneeling for communion with intinction and six FULL masses on Sunday.

We are sitting in the middle of Catholic liberal heaven. My old church lists 1300 families and the church was never full for two masses. Sitting on their education committee I heard them cry over losing families (2/3 did not contribute, 3/4 did not attend past the time kiddies made 1st communion). When I sugggested they look to the parish that was growing (the one I am in now) they said that there is “something in the water” over there and ignored me.

In the meantime, our parish has tripled in size in the last five years and is still growing. We have built a new main and classrooms. When Catholics insist that we BE Catholic, we grow by leaps and bounds.

Times are changing. We will see what happens with Pelosi and her faux pas. The Bishops are sounding out. Maybe this time, we WILL see action.


5 posted on 08/26/2008 11:36:25 AM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: netmilsmom
What you site is not the norm. I'm glad for you, but the church is splitting among the traditionals and the socials. The "Father Phleager(sp?)" types are winning, IMHO. They are Jesuits that believe Jesus was the first communist. It has more to do with tax redistribution than salvation.

As long as nothing is done with the Kerry's and Kennedy's, and the Pelosi's of the church, it will continue to be a status symbol rather than a way of life.

As a larger picture, (this is just my opinion of course,) I see the church in America having the same problems as the other denominations with liberal breaks showing. There will always be adherents that follow, but the break offs are growing. The average Catholic doesn't seem to have a big problem with abortion, homosexual marriage, fornication, women priests, etc. They may say one thing but vote another and practice even another. When you bring up the fact that their daughter shouldn't be in her boyfriends apartment, they have a ho hum, everybody does it, attitude. IMHO, that attitude comes from the church not being credible with the Kennedy's and Pelosi's of the world. If some official did more than issue a statement and start to deny Sacraments, maybe some would start to get nervous that time are changing. I would love to see a confrontation with a big name like Pelosi or Kennedy, but have been waiting for years and nothing has happened yet. Just try to imagine a dust up in Boston over Kennedy and him with brain cancer. They would have to choose the church or Kennedy to follow. It would be interesting to see the choice. I also wonder how much horse power Kennedy would exercise over the church?

As far as I'm concerned, this confrontation has been on for years and the church keeps blinking. They could have done it with Kerry last go round but let him slide. Will there be any more than a letter to Pelosi? We will see.

8 posted on 08/26/2008 12:25:34 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: netmilsmom

**People are flocking to traditional churches, including my own that does not allow Altar Girls and includes kneeling for communion with intinction and six FULL masses on Sunday.**

Where do you live? I want to move there...:)


14 posted on 08/26/2008 5:56:20 PM PDT by chase19
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