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To: netmilsmom
What you site is not the norm. I'm glad for you, but the church is splitting among the traditionals and the socials. The "Father Phleager(sp?)" types are winning, IMHO. They are Jesuits that believe Jesus was the first communist. It has more to do with tax redistribution than salvation.

As long as nothing is done with the Kerry's and Kennedy's, and the Pelosi's of the church, it will continue to be a status symbol rather than a way of life.

As a larger picture, (this is just my opinion of course,) I see the church in America having the same problems as the other denominations with liberal breaks showing. There will always be adherents that follow, but the break offs are growing. The average Catholic doesn't seem to have a big problem with abortion, homosexual marriage, fornication, women priests, etc. They may say one thing but vote another and practice even another. When you bring up the fact that their daughter shouldn't be in her boyfriends apartment, they have a ho hum, everybody does it, attitude. IMHO, that attitude comes from the church not being credible with the Kennedy's and Pelosi's of the world. If some official did more than issue a statement and start to deny Sacraments, maybe some would start to get nervous that time are changing. I would love to see a confrontation with a big name like Pelosi or Kennedy, but have been waiting for years and nothing has happened yet. Just try to imagine a dust up in Boston over Kennedy and him with brain cancer. They would have to choose the church or Kennedy to follow. It would be interesting to see the choice. I also wonder how much horse power Kennedy would exercise over the church?

As far as I'm concerned, this confrontation has been on for years and the church keeps blinking. They could have done it with Kerry last go round but let him slide. Will there be any more than a letter to Pelosi? We will see.

8 posted on 08/26/2008 12:25:34 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: chuckles

>>What you site is not the norm.<<

No, my FRiend, it is becoming the norm. The libs are going kicking and screaming but are whithering just the same. Even down there in Steubenville, where the Charismatic movement started, the conservatives are taking over. My Uncle was the Bishop there. While he himself is not conservative, to fill Franciscan University, they had to concede to some conservatism allowed. That is happening everywhere. Cruise on over to Catholic Answers and watch the libs explode. They are not happy.

Look at the Diocese where the mosts Priests are being ordained. It’s not the liberal diocese. Wonder why so many priests are coming from Lincoln Nebraska? Look at the diocese. And some of our finest Priests are being brought in from the Eastern Block countries (Our’s is Slovak, across the street is Polish) and from African countries where conservatism still reigns.

It is slow, but the other boost we have is breeding the liberals out. We are averaging four children, they are popping out one or two.


10 posted on 08/26/2008 12:39:41 PM PDT by netmilsmom (The Party of Darkness prefers to have the lights out. - Go Fierce 50!!!)
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To: chuckles
The "Father Phleager(sp?)" types are winning, IMHO. They are Jesuits that believe Jesus was the first communist.

Actually, over the long term, they're losing bigtime. They're aging, and they don't reproduce much or at all (due to their rejection of Catholic sexual morality), and they don't attract converts (why not just be Episcopalian?).

The religious orders and dioceses that are liberal are withering up and blowing away. The orthodox ones are growing so fast they can't build facilities fast enough.

11 posted on 08/26/2008 1:12:38 PM PDT by Campion
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