Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

With the Help of Catholics…Obama’s Victory
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | November 5, 2008 | Deal Hudson

Posted on 11/05/2008 10:42:55 AM PST by Alex Murphy

November 5, 2008 (insidecatholic.com) - When the U.S. bishops hold their annual meeting in Baltimore next week, one item on the agenda will be approval of the new Order for the Blessing of the Child in the Womb.

The blessing, according to the USCCB, "was prepared to support parents awaiting the birth of their child, to encourage in the parish prayers for and recognition of the gift of the child in the womb, and to foster respect for human life within society." If approved by the bishops, the Blessing of the Child in the Womb will be incorporated into the Book of Blessings.

It couldn't come at a better time.

The election of Barack Obama sets the stage for a series of potential executive and congressional acts that could remove all the limits set on abortion since the Roe v. Wade decision. The most pernicious of these is the "Freedom of Choice Act," which Obama has promised will be the first bill he signs into law as president.

It is estimated that FOCA alone would result in 125,000 more abortions a year in the United States. That figure does not take into account other measures, such as Obama's pledge not to renew the Mexico City Policy and to repeal the Hyde amendment. As a result of Obama's victory, there will not only be hundreds of thousands of additional abortions, but American taxpayers will be paying for them.

Polls of Catholic voters prior to the election suggested that Obama might win a majority of self-identified Catholic voters. A more significant measure of Obama's Catholic support will be the percentage of regular Mass-attending Catholics who voted for him.

But regardless of the final statistics, it is clear that the Obama-Biden ticket received substantial help from Catholics working for parishes and chanceries, as well as a number of high-profile Catholic politicians and jurists. They successfully promoted the flaws of "Faithful Citizenship" to Catholics nationwide, neutralizing any advantage the Church's pro-life and pro-marriage teachings might offer to McCain-Palin.

"Faithful Citizenship" stated that, under certain circumstances, a Catholic could in good conscience vote for a candidate who supports abortion rights for "other grave reasons" as long as they do not intend to support that position (34-35).

It's a strange argument that allows Catholics to send a politician with an undeniably extreme abortion record into the Oval Office and yet somehow bear no responsibility for what happens to unborn children as a result. One can only wonder what "grave reasons" the bishops could have had in mind that would outweigh the 4,000 unborn children who are aborted each day.

Many bishops -- including Bishops Vann, Farrell, Vasa, Martino, and Chaput -- stepped forward in the last months to correct misinterpretations of "Faithful Citizenship," but it was too late. History will show that Catholics helped to vote into office a president whose record contradicts our most fundamental moral belief -- the sanctity of human life.

When the bishops meet next week and approve the Blessing of the Child in the Womb, just as important will be the steps they take in convincing the president-elect to change his mind about the Freedom of Choice Act.

Change, after all, can be a good thing.


TOPICS: Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS:
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-123 next last
To: Salvation
tongue in cheek.
51 posted on 11/06/2008 6:51:53 AM PST by allmendream (Wealth is EARNED not distributed.... so how could it be Redistributed?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Salvation

>>>

**The American Bishops give nothing but lip service to the protection of the unborn.

Talk is cheap and they are cowards>**

Not all of them!

>>>

How many of those bishops would dare refuse Ted Kennedy, Nacy Pelosi, or Joe Biden Communion?

Talk is cheap.


52 posted on 11/06/2008 6:56:17 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Bush Sr, Bob Dole, Bush Jr, McCain...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: all the best; Gamecock; HarleyD; Frumanchu; Dr. Eckleburg; Marysecretary; Forest Keeper; ...
Show me just one Catholic bishop who will speak up against coveting your neighbors’ goods. That is why Catholics ignored the Bishops on abortion. They know abortion is wrong but overlooked the Dems on that point because those same politicians pandered to their covetousness. Same for protestants and evangelical pastors, leaders and activists. American politics and government at all levels is driven by government-mediated coveting. Until the Church takes a stand against this we can expect to sink deeper and deeper into socialism and, oh yeah, abortion.

I think your post is the wisest one that I've received in the last two days. There are nine other commandments besides "you shall not kill", and I don't think I've heard a single sermon on the other nine in this last election cycle.

53 posted on 11/06/2008 7:42:07 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

We as a country don’t believe in sin,therefore abortion and homosexuality is ok in a sinless world. We need preachers like John the Baptist!!!! And we know how Jesus felt about him. 50 million dead children shows a society that has lost the truth of mercy. Remember when right after 911 people were all going to church,praying and singing gospel songs? They were afraid and were grieving but that is all over now.The gift of the fear of the Lord is truly a grace filled gift of love of the Lord above all else especially of self.And I personally believe we are going to be shown fear and grieving again. God have mercy on us all.


54 posted on 11/06/2008 12:55:01 PM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: P-Marlowe
The problem is that America has been so desensitized to the issue of abortion, and we have sat idly by while an entire generation of Americans have been systematically slaughtered in innocuous little abortuaries in strip malls and office buildings that we no longer consider it a "sin".

So many churches falsely preach that "the pill" is permissible, completely unaware--or denying--that "the pill" works as an abortifacient a significant percent of the time.

55 posted on 11/06/2008 1:24:20 PM PST by Petronski (Things fall apart, it's scientific.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

I am a converted Catholic. I’m ashamed that any Catholic would vote for Barack Obama.


56 posted on 11/06/2008 1:26:47 PM PST by RooRoobird20 (Pray Obama will become a better man than he has been.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

I am a converted Catholic. I’m ashamed that any Catholic would vote for Barack Obama.


57 posted on 11/06/2008 1:27:01 PM PST by RooRoobird20 (Pray Obama will become a better man than he has been.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

I am a converted Catholic. I’m ashamed that any Catholic would vote for Barack Obama.


58 posted on 11/06/2008 1:27:09 PM PST by RooRoobird20 (Pray Obama will become a better man than he has been.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

I am a converted Catholic. I’m ashamed that any Catholic would vote for Barack Obama.


59 posted on 11/06/2008 1:27:16 PM PST by RooRoobird20 (Pray Obama will become a better man than he has been.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

I am a converted Catholic. I’m ashamed that any Catholic would vote for Barack Obama.


60 posted on 11/06/2008 1:27:31 PM PST by RooRoobird20 (Pray Obama will become a better man than he has been.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: red irish; Alex Murphy
We as a country don’t believe in sin,therefore abortion and homosexuality is ok in a sinless world.

Non-Christians don't believe in sin. How can they without God? God has etched sin on everyone's heart but the more they sin, the deeper into depravity they sink.

Christians OTOH are meant to be the salt of the world. It is our responsibility to convict the world of sin, righteousness and of judgment. God will bless us in our calling when we are faithful. When we are unfaithful, God withholds His blessings.

The true barometer of how obedient we are to our calling is how we are influencing society around us. If society is sinking into depravity, it is simply because we as Christians are unfaithful to our calling.

61 posted on 11/06/2008 4:04:26 PM PST by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: prolifefirst

That’s the problem of all Christianity these days. You can’t tell us apart from the world and its culture. Shame on all of us.


62 posted on 11/06/2008 9:26:44 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: grellis

If you tithe as God commands, I believe he will sustain you through financial difficulties.


63 posted on 11/06/2008 9:28:43 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Siobhan7

All of our churches, Catholic and protestant, need to be revived from within. The shaking of God will begin in the church and we’d better be ready for it.


64 posted on 11/06/2008 9:29:49 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: RGPII

They’ve also known hardship and persecution. THAT is what makes the church strong.


65 posted on 11/06/2008 9:31:04 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: HarleyD

IMHO, we as the church and body of Christ have failed miserably to act any differently than the world. We need to stand up and be counted.


66 posted on 11/06/2008 9:35:26 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 61 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary

Amen!Amen!


67 posted on 11/07/2008 5:25:50 PM PST by Siobhan7
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

Many of the Catholics that I know and associate with in Iowa and Illinois voted for Obama in spite of the abortion issue. To a large extent, the issue was covered up or diverted to social justice or similar mealy mouthed diversions.

To the credit of the younger Catholics, the vast majority of the Obama support was from the Baby Boomers, late of Vatican II, enamoured of guitar Masses, Wiccan nuns and revolution theology. These aging leftovers of the 60s peace love dope crowd are slowly moving on and slowly being replaced by more conservative and traditional Catholics (le Catholic traditionale c’est moi) but the stink of the ordure does not dissipate quickly enough for us who are eager for a return to traditional Catholic values and a final reunion with our Orthodox brothers.

Pope BXVI is accelerating the return to orthodoxy; that has to be achieved before the reunion can occur.


68 posted on 11/07/2008 5:38:16 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary

Amen. At times I can’t tell the difference between the church and the American Red Cross.


69 posted on 11/07/2008 6:05:44 PM PST by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: RGPII
By the way, Ohio is home to the famous Franciscan University in Steubenville (birthplace of Dean Martin as well). I’d hope that University supported McCain.

I noticed that the county in Indiana where South Bend is went for Obama. I don't know if there is a large population of non-Catholics there, but I would think that the Notre Dame community would have enough influence to cause it to break for McCain. Guess not.

70 posted on 11/07/2008 6:24:30 PM PST by Abe XVI
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

Some Catholics take their faith seriously; others vote for Obama and infanticide.


71 posted on 11/07/2008 6:31:09 PM PST by windsorknot
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HarleyD

Boy, ain’t that the troot.


72 posted on 11/07/2008 7:58:00 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: Siobhan7

Oh, thank you, Siobhan.


73 posted on 11/07/2008 7:58:38 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary; HarleyD; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu; topcat54; ...
IMHO, we as the church and body of Christ have failed miserably to act any differently than the world. We need to stand up and be counted.

Believe it or not, I'm thinking the opposite. Look at the updated demographics on my profile page. Note that a majority of people who worship weekly, both Catholics and Protestants, all fell in support of McCain over Obama, with the glaring exception of blacks and hispanics.

Also consider that none of the weekly goers even approach the "non-religious" demographic, 75% of which voted for Obama. The most "evangelical" minded among us voted exactly the opposite, favoring McCain by 75% instead. That's evidence in support of the idea that the faithful are being (mostly) different from the world, if only by comparison.

I think there's a reason why we didn't make a difference in the overall vote, like we (supposedly) did in 2000 and 2004. Year-by-year census numbers show that the number of believing, practicing Christians in this country has been steadily declining for decades. I think we have finally shrunk to the level where we've lost any influence over the culture, morality, or politics at large. IMO that's what the 2008 vote demographics are saying.

We can't influence the ballot box, until we start changing the hearts and minds of the unbelievers among us. We'll remain a statistical oddity, "strangers in a foreign land" (Exodus 2:22, cf Jeremiah 5:19), until we increase our numbers (and I don't mean simply filling seats in the pews). We Protestants and Evangelicals need to take the Great Commission and all Ten Commandments seriously again.

74 posted on 11/07/2008 8:28:16 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy; Marysecretary; HarleyD; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu; ...
Note that a majority of people who worship weekly, both Catholics and Protestants, all fell in support of McCain over Obama, with the glaring exception of blacks and hispanics.

A good point. The challenge is to convert the "Sunday go to meeting Christians" into "7 day a week Christians", as well as evangelize the unsaved.

The problem is how do you counter the pop culture, media and schools. Conservatism is a belief based on reason and restraint. Liberalism is a belief based on emotion and no restraint. We can try to segregate ourselves from the outside influences of the overall culture, but then we become an oddity like the Amish.

75 posted on 11/09/2008 7:18:26 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: wmfights; Marysecretary; HarleyD; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu; ...
A good point. The challenge is to convert the "Sunday go to meeting Christians" into "7 day a week Christians", as well as evangelize the unsaved. The problem is how do you counter the pop culture, media and schools.

IMO the answer begins with creating a (counter-)culture for ourselves. The Christians in the first century had their own courts, their own "welfare system", their own traditions and customs. When Rome collapsed, the Christians didn't go with it because they were capable of governing themselves (and others). They'd already learned not to look to the State to meet their needs.

Your "7-day-a-week" comment is a start to doing this. Christians need to rediscover the idea that Jesus Christ is Lord over all of His creation, including politics and government. There is no "neutral area" that the Gospel does not apply to. I'm not talking about ecclesiocracy here. I'm talking about families and businesses and governments being subject to Christ's rule, not subject to a church's rule. There should be a common Lord and a common ethic shared between them all. This country was created and settled by Protestants who held similar ideas. if we want to take our country back from the liberals and the Godless who are turning it into a Nanny Police State, then we Christians better get educated on where that "back" is. Otherwise, we'll just go off in another direction again.

The king went up to the house of the LORD and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great; and he read in their hearing all the words of the book of the covenant which was found in the house of the LORD.
The king stood by the pillar and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statutes with all his heart and all his soul, to carry out the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people entered into the covenant.
- 2 Kings 23:2-3
We can try to segregate ourselves from the outside influences of the overall culture, but then we become an oddity like the Amish.

The problem with the Amish is that they do not attempt to evangelize or disciple outsiders. They are not spreading (what they think is) the Gospel. They do not seek to "turn the world upside-down" (Acts 17:6). They are enclavish. If Christians are to be faithful to the Great Commission, they must push back against the overall culture. In military terms, they must seek to gain territory. The Amish, by contrast, only seek to hold onto existing territory, meaning they have willingly forfeited the remaining terrain to their enemies. That's an admission of pessimism and failure if I ever saw one. We are commanded to go, not to stay.

76 posted on 11/09/2008 8:14:53 AM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy; Marysecretary; HarleyD; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu
There is no "neutral area" that the Gospel does not apply to. I'm not talking about ecclesiocracy here. I'm talking about families and businesses and governments being subject to Christ's rule, not subject to a church's rule.

To take it one step further, we should be determining our candidate on the basis of how serious they are about their faith, not necessarily denomination. IOW, it doesn't matter whether they are Baptist, or Roman Catholic, but what does matter is their history. Is the candidate a regular church goer. Is the candidate noted for reading his/her Bible. Is the candidate well respected inside his church. Do we see fruits of the Spirit in them.

77 posted on 11/09/2008 1:25:50 PM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

78 posted on 11/09/2008 1:29:34 PM PST by narses (http://www.theobamadisaster.com/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

Obama wants to lift he ban on embryo harvesting for stem cells.

Those embryos are human life, and yet, where do they come from? Why from the thousands of “extra” zygotes created in labs for infertile couples.

If Protestants could agree with Catholics on the immorality of this practice, and on the practices of donating sperm and eggs for any reason, it would enhance their argument on the sanctity of life.

Where do you think Obama and scientists are going to get their embryos for research from? There is no ethical source.


79 posted on 11/09/2008 1:42:05 PM PST by Puddleglum
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

Comment #80 Removed by Moderator

To: Theodore R.
For many Catholics, the most important letter after “C” for Catholic is “D” for Democrat, and I don’t think we can change their minds. For many, the “D” even trumps the “C”.

In my Catholic experience I have been a seminarian (4 years) and an enigma among my Navy shipmates as a Catholic who made it a point to attend Mass even when I had to walk a pretty good distace to get there. It's never been "on my sleeve" as they say. I have never fretted when circumstances made it impossible for me to do the Catholic things. I even spent some time away when my oldest was quite young and she was but a HUGE distraction for anyone around her at Mass.

I have always been proud of my affiliation and made it a point to learn enough to speak intellegently about my beliefs, even to this day.

I can't, for the life of me, understand why the majority of my persuasion can revel in the cult of death that is the Democratic Party.

I read once that when Dwight Eisenhower saw what the Germans had wrought he said for the first time in his life he was ashamed of his heritage. Well I have never been ashamed of my heritage or any of my experience. These days I shudder to think that the majority of people supposedly taught what I was taught can go down that path. I can't believe they don't know what they are doing. So, I don't understand it.

81 posted on 11/09/2008 2:35:59 PM PST by stevem
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: TCH

TCH,

Fear not!

Today, I had the honor of hearing my priest and pastor give a homily at our EF Mass that was quite possibly the most terrifying masterpiece of oration I’ve ever heard.

He told the story of how, in 1964, the Kennedys invited Drinan, Milhaven, et. al. to Hyannisport for a confab on how a Catholic politician could address the issue of abortion. I could tell that many of those sitting in the pews had no idea this meeting had ever taken place — and this is a chapel full of traditionally-minded, observant Catholics.

Then he went on to describe, in gruesome detail, the “catastrophe” that has befallen our nation in the election of so radical a man. He reminded us that you CANNOT BE A CATHOLIC and vote this way. “Is that clear enough?” he asked. He lamented that the bishops of the past three decades had given only lip service to their stated beliefs, and mentioned the 54% of Catholics who voted for Obama as well as the shame they should feel because of it.

He finished up by telling us about the FOCA currently in the works in Washington and its cousin legislation which will now definitely be passed and signed in NY State. He reminded the congregation that both these new bills would remove the conscience clause for Catholic hospitals, doctors and nurses, and advised us to remember our history (I paraphrase here ):

“In England, a reigning sovereign was once given the title ‘Defender of the Faith’ by a pope. In only 10 years, St. Thomas More was martyred for remaining steadfast in his beliefs. Catholic churches were looted and burned, and Catholic priests and nuns executed.”

At least 90% of those in attendance were in tears by the end of his homily.

After Mass, I asked him if I could have a copy of the sermon, but he said he only had an outline. After about 50 more people asked, he said he’d try to write it out. If he does so and gives his permission, I shall post it here. It was breathtaking.

Regards,


82 posted on 11/09/2008 2:44:10 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Wake up and smell the incense!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

Comment #83 Removed by Moderator

To: sandyeggo

I will do that, sandy, but just in case I forget, keep your eyes peeled for a post. I do hope Father gets us a copy and gives his permission for its publication.

Regards,


84 posted on 11/09/2008 2:55:51 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Wake up and smell the incense!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 83 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid

Yeah post that sucker and then ping one of the Catholic Ping Masters.

Freegards


85 posted on 11/09/2008 4:02:57 PM PST by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies]

To: Ransomed; sandyeggo

Will do, Ransomed.

BTW, proving once again that memory does not always serve, I forgot to mention Father’s impassioned words about how Joseph Ratzinger once had to watch as the Nazis took his cousin (who had Down Syndrome) away, never to be seen again.

The Nazis told the family it was “compassionate” to do this.

It was tied in to the advice “Father” Drinan and the rest of the Kennedy bunch gave in Massachusetts all those years ago — that Catholic politicians should approach the subject of abortion as “sometimes more compassionate than giving birth to the child.”

Regards,


86 posted on 11/09/2008 4:09:16 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Wake up and smell the incense!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 85 | View Replies]

To: wmfights; Alex Murphy; Marysecretary; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu

No matter who is in charge, whether they read their Bible and go to church, or not, doesn’t matter. Lenin, Marx, Obama, or Billy Graham can do absolutely nothing without the express will of God. The mind of man plans his way, but the LORD directs his steps. (Prov 16:9) God will take care of His sheep.


87 posted on 11/09/2008 4:53:50 PM PST by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 77 | View Replies]

To: sandyeggo

One young man in our church, who works at a radio station, played a tape by Dr. Dobson from his radio program. He spoke how prayer really turned this around. It was very inspiring since NY State is also going to be facing this now that we have a democrat legislature, governor, etc., etc. for the first time in God knows how many years. Pray for New York State and the gay marriage proposal. M


88 posted on 11/09/2008 6:01:25 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 80 | View Replies]

To: stevem

One of my dear friends, a Spirit-filled evangelical Christian and a democrat, voted for Obama. He was really angry with me when I asked him how he could vote for someone ready to kill babies and take his money. Whew. I’m afraid any of God’s children who voted for Obama will incur God’s wrath. And I’m not the only one believing that. They need to repent, but will they.


89 posted on 11/09/2008 6:04:56 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 81 | View Replies]

To: VermiciousKnid

Good for him. Sounds like you have a good priest.


90 posted on 11/09/2008 6:06:10 PM PST by Marysecretary (.GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 82 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

This is the reason the Catholic Church has lost my support.

JoMa


91 posted on 11/09/2008 6:12:10 PM PST by joma89
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

How many times are you going to post this article??? Seems like a lot of Christians voted for him too!


92 posted on 11/09/2008 6:16:23 PM PST by notaliberal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: notaliberal
How many times are you going to post this article???

Are you experiencing deja vu? How many times do you think that I've posted it? How many other threads have I posted, using articles by Deal Hudson that appeared in LifeSiteNews on November 5 2008?

93 posted on 11/09/2008 6:25:37 PM PST by Alex Murphy ( "Every country has the government it deserves" - Joseph Marie de Maistre)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 92 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary

Indeed I do, Mary...he’s the best.

I hope to see him made Bishop one day — any diocese would be blessed to have him.

Regards,


94 posted on 11/09/2008 6:43:48 PM PST by VermiciousKnid (Wake up and smell the incense!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy

From your vitriolic posts about Catholics it’s obvious you fear the Catholic Church,the one true Church.


95 posted on 11/09/2008 6:50:16 PM PST by notaliberal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

Comment #96 Removed by Moderator

To: HarleyD; Alex Murphy; Marysecretary; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu
The mind of man plans his way, but the LORD directs his steps. (Prov 16:9) God will take care of His sheep.

I hope you realize I am in complete agreement.

I'm thinking along the lines of the role of the church (assembly of like minded believers). In this last election we have seen a large % of "Christians" support a candidate that embraces beliefs that are clearly not Biblical.

One of my OT heroes is Caleb. No matter how great the challenge, how old he was, or how few wanted to fight the enemy he was ready to go forward. I think we are at that point. A growing number of "Christians" embrace beliefs that are clearly in defiance of GOD and the question is how do we go forward.

97 posted on 11/10/2008 6:59:24 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 87 | View Replies]

To: Marysecretary
I’m afraid any of God’s children who voted for Obama will incur God’s wrath. And I’m not the only one believing that. They need to repent, but will they.

My question is, are they really Christians?

98 posted on 11/10/2008 7:04:42 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 89 | View Replies]

To: Alex Murphy
How many other threads have I posted, using articles by Deal Hudson that appeared in LifeSiteNews on November 5 2008?

Don't let it get you down brother. It's clear that some denominations are more caught up in defending themselves then seeing the bigger picture. I've found the voting breakdown helpful in identifying the problem.

Now the hard part, figuring out how to fix it.

99 posted on 11/10/2008 7:12:54 AM PST by wmfights (Elections have Consequences!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 93 | View Replies]

To: wmfights; Alex Murphy; Marysecretary; Gamecock; Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; RJR_fan; Frumanchu
In this last election we have seen a large % of "Christians" support a candidate that embraces beliefs that are clearly not Biblical.

It's difficult to reconcile Christian values with beliefs that are not Biblical. My pastor made a comment last Sunday that conservative Christians tend to vote for moral issues while liberal Christians tend to vote for social issues; but they were both Christians. My wife and I thought he was being a bit naive or trying to placate both sides. Christians must first reconcile the moral issues before they can address the social issues. A Christian cannot support abortion yet rally against a war. A Christian can (and should) be against abortion yet may be in support of a war. There is a subtle difference.

"Liberal" Christians are simply deceiving themselves or are not spiritually mature.

100 posted on 11/10/2008 2:02:13 PM PST by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 97 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-5051-100101-123 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson