Posted on 02/11/2009 10:33:53 AM PST by NYer
As a woman nearing 40, thank God my mother was a Child of the ‘50s when people were still “repressed”. I didn’t have a mother telling me sex was free and “easy”. I dodged the Hippie bullet by a decade I guess.
“No one should be able to tell a woman what to do with her body.”
Right. So don’t listen to all those men who tell you it would mean so much, and you’ll do it if you love me, and you’re uncool if you don’t.
“Amanda, born in 1970”
Oops, this is old. If she is 30, this is 9 years old already. I’m ‘69 and I’ll be 40.
Once again, I was not a product of the Hippie generation, although some might think that with the ‘69 date.
“to the point that one out of every two marriages ended in dissolution.”
While I have no doubt there are too many divorces, we need to stop throwing around this ancient canard. It’s false.
No-one ever looked at marriages over 30 years, etc, to see if they fail. They simply counted up marriages vs. divorces 1 year, and found there were half as many divorces as marriages.
That is NOT the same as “every other marriage ends in divorce”.
No law is completely enforcable. As one of you said, we have laws today against harmful drugs, yet they are still sold and consumed.
The argument some of you are making is that because enforcement is difficult, immoral and harmful practices should be allowed. The same argument is made for legalization of marijuana. cocaine, heroin, and other drugs.
If abortion is banned, there will still be some abortions taking place, yet it should be made illegal for the good of society and to reduce the number of abortions. The argument you make can be used against making any harmful activity illegal.
Borges, yes, adultery and fornication should be illegal. It wasn’t too many years ago that it was illegal in most places in America.
Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with “birth control” in and of itself. The problem is immorality - and we HAVE gone rampant with that. BC and abortions did help promulgate that, but the sin is still with the sinner deciding it’s OK to copulate (or even do other “non-sex” Clintonian activities) any old time s/he wants.
Yeah, when I was in HS, the movie, The Last Picture Show came out. It was one of the earlier movies that made amorality moral. The lead character's girl friend was portrayed as a bitch because she wouldn't have sex with him. The only happy relationship in the movie was a high school boy having an extramarital affair with the coach's wife.
Prior to that, heroes had morphed from the Jimmy Stewart mold to Sean Connery. Stewart almost always played a devoted family man. Connery bedded several women in every one of his movies, even though he never had an emotional attachment to any of them. The James Bond character imprinted on me very strongly, and I suspect a lot of other guys were similarly influenced.
Playboy magazine was also influential. The girls were young, beautiful, and it portrayed a world in which sex was free, easy, and there were no STDs or unwanted pregnancies.
As to the appeal of Playboy, the best description I ever read was that it was a place where a guy who had a job he didn't like and was slightly intimidated by women could, for two dollars, enter a world where cuff links mattered.
How about emphasizing the MALE portion? Girls have always had more locks on them copulating; it’s natural partly because a) they’re saddled with the pregnancies/children and b) intercourse is literally an invasion of their bodies, while for men it is not, per se; hurts more potentially too.
I agree that it’s not a given. I myself didn’t do ANY kind of “joint” sexual activity until I was married (at age 35, turned 36 the next week - I know I’ll probably be pilloried for being “so old”). I was trained that way. I could’ve had plenty, too, if I wanted casual sex.
“How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst”
Without birth control, how many more abortions would have been performed? Too many to be counted imo.
No, “extramarital” literally and generally means “outside marriage”.
It doesn’t mean 1 WAS married, or any such thing. It means outside the condition of marriage.
IOW, anything not strictly within a single marriage can be “extramarital”.
Yes. Also, congregants of traditionalist parishes.
“When abortion is made illegal, we need to make artificial means of birth control illegal too.”
So that America can be awash in unwanted babies?
Well, I wouldn't argue otherwise, but I continue to point out that criminalizing private activity of consenting adults is out of character for the American jurisprudence.
I guess I focus on girls because I have them and I was one. But yes, I agree with you.
That's how I use the term, but I don't usually argue over words.
While this may be true, you can work on one person at a time and pray they will heed the message and pass it on.
“Honestly I don’t see anything wrong with “birth control” in and of itself. The problem is immorality - and we HAVE gone rampant with that.”
Nomination for post of the day.
According to the following article:
With the United Nations, aided by a supportive Obama administration, possibly setting out to make abortion an international right and approving documents requiring countries across the globe to honor that right, a Koh appointment would make it that much harder to overturn Roe.
Potential Obama Supreme Court Nominee Diane Wood Strongly Pro-Abortion
The situation will get far worse before it gets better, if ever.
I think in some ways men are MUCH more dependent on “love” than society lets on as a whole. They may instinctively crave sex, but perhaps they crave much more deep stuff - maybe even more than women.
My husband admits that looking at Playboy, et al, he once again felt alienated because he realized “these women aren’t ever going to interact with me in any way”, so what was the point of even looking? It only made him sadder to realize he didn’t have anyone to really love (sometimes).
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