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11 Prophecies fulfilled this generation.
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Posted on 02/21/2009 6:09:00 AM PST by kindred

FOR THE PROPHECY CAME NOT IN OLD TIME BY THE WILL OF MAN: BUT HOLY MEN OF GOD SPAKE AS THEY WERE MOVED BY THE HOLY GHOST. O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN-Lk 24:25. However, believing there is a God and acknowledging the Bible is the Word of God does not save a person. A person needs to admit they are a sinner, repent, and receive Jesus Christ as their only hope of being saved. This is done by faith (or trust).

Let's prove the Bible is true and we are nearing the end of the last generation before Christ returns.

1. The Jewish people would be scattered worldwide; yet Israel would become a nation again after a long time and at a time the Bible calls the "latter days"-ref Isa 66:8; Mic 5:3; Ezek 38:8. Against what appeared to be impossible odds, this prophecy has been fulfilled. It happened as predicted on May 14, 1948 after about 2500 years. That’s 1 out of 1. Note: Israel was destroyed in approximately 721 B.C. and Judah about 135 years later. Since that time, approximately fourteen different peoples have possessed the land of Israel. Yet as the Bible said, the nation of Israel would be reborn. The rebirth of Israel was a key sign, indicating we had entered a time period called the "latter days." It was the beginning of a countdown leading to the Tribulation and culminating with the Battle of Armageddon and the return of Jesus. Along with the fulfillment of this crucial event are over 360 prophecies that would all come together, so we might recognize that the Tribulation is very close at hand. Some of these are listed here. Yet the Bible foretells that most people would not believe these things, despite the overwhelming evidence of the signs from God’s Word being fulfilled exactly as predicted. As people refused to believe the flood was coming in Noah’s time, so people today willingly choose to disregard the signs of the times.

2. Israel shall be brought forth in one day, at once-ref Isa 66:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 2 out of 2. Note: On Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the U.N. approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. On the morning of May 14, 1948 (the last day of the British mandate), a meeting of the People’s Council took place in Israel to decide on the name of the state and to finalize the declaration. At precisely 4 pm, the proclamation ceremony began at the Tel Aviv museum. The 979 Hebrew words of the Scroll of Independence were read. All stood, and the scroll was adopted. The notorious White Paper, issued by the British in 1930 restricting Jewish immigration, was declared null and void. Members of the People’s Council signed the proclamation. David Ben-Gurion rapped his gavel, declaring, "The State of Israel is established. This meeting is ended." Israel was brought forth as a nation in one day, at once, exactly as predicted. At midnight, the British soldiers and high commissioner would leave. President Truman was swift in announcing U.S. recognition of Israel. The following morning, on May 15, Israel was under attack by the Egyptian, Syrian, Lebanese, Jordanian, and Iraqi forces.

3. Israel would be brought forth (or reborn) "out of the nations"-Ezek 38:8. Prophecy fulfilled-May 14, 1948. That’s 3 out of 3. Note: As previously stated, on Nov. 29, 1947, the General Assembly of the "United Nations" approved a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine. This prophecy was perfectly fulfilled. Consider, for centuries the land of Israel had been occupied by many nations. Israel was "brought forth out of the nations"—the children of Israel from many nations have been returning to their ancient homeland.

4. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. That’s 4 out of 4. Note: The Bible gives us two methods so we would know the time we are in. One is by Israel’s rebirth. The other, by a precise line of events that would all come together at one time. Israel was reborn on May 14th, 1948. The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled. We are not setting any date; however, it seems clear from Israel’s rebirth and the signs of the times— that we are living in the generation in which the Rapture and Tribulation will come and catch most people by surprise. Are you ready?

5. The Christian church at the time of the end would be lukewarm, neither cold nor hot for Jesus. Prophecy fulfilled. That’s 5 out of 5. Note: God will spew them out. Many ministers and people that call themselves a Christian will not be going to heaven. The Bible tells us—you have acquired wealth, but your true condition is wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked and you don’t know it-Rev 3:14-22. This is today’s church. Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God, on the fruits of the Spirit, Bible prophecy, water baptism by immersion, and studying your Bible faithfully every day. Many are only entertainment centers that teach what their members want to hear. Many (so-called Christians) are so lukewarm or dead, they don’t even bring their Bibles with them to the house of God. Some famous ministers and Bible schools think this is the best church age ever, yet the Bible clearly shows it is the worst and most deceived.

6. The Bible gives us over 50 descriptions about the people at the time of the end. These fit the people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago. Here are some:

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-1 Tim 4:1. This is perfect.

B. People would mock about the last days and not believe-2 Pe 3:3; Jude 18.

C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2. Remember the TV commercials—"I do it for me"?

D. People would be disobeying their parents-2 Tim 3:1,2.

E. People would be grateful for nothing-2 Tim 3:1,2.

F. Homosexuality would increase-Lk 17:28,30; ref Gen 19:5; Ro 1:24,26,27.

G. People would be without self-control in sex-2 Tim 3:1,2,6; Rev 9:21, Lk 17:28,30; Jude 7. Is this not the great sex generation?

H. People would love pleasures more than God-2 Tim 3:1,2,4. This is true. Shall we go on a picnic, watch football, or sleep. Church?—we can go another time. Our American motto "In God we trust" has become a joke. Remember, these were all predicted centuries ago as part of the signs that we are at the time of the end.

I. People would be taking drugs-Rev 9:21. The Greek word for sorceries, in Rev 9:21, means pharmaceuticals or drugs. God’s Word is 100% right on every one. That’s 6 out of 6. How could you have any doubts at this point? Note: Fifty years ago, many people seldom locked their doors at night. There was little or no profanity on television, radio, or in the movies. One of the biggest problems in public school was gum chewing. Those days are long gone.

7. There would be weapons that could destroy the world-Mk 13:20; Rev 6:8; Rev 9:18; Zech 14:8,12. Incredibly, this prophecy was written in the days of spears and arrows, yet today it is true. That’s 7 out of 7. Note: It is estimated that the combined nuclear arsenals of the USA and Russia (as of the year 2004) could kill every living thing on earth 6 times over.

8. The Gospel must be published in all the world-Mk 13:10. This seemingly impossible prophecy was written when there was no printing press, but today it is true. That's 8 out of 8. Note: In this last generation, to our knowledge, the Gospel is being published (or is about to be published) in the primary language of every nation of the world or "among all nations." In addition, the Gospel is available by short-wave radio nearly everywhere in the world.

9. In the "latter days" when Israel was once again a nation, there would be a great military power to the extreme north of Israel in the land of Magog (which is modern-day Russia)-Ezek 38:2-4,8,15,16. Incredible. That’s 9 out of 9. Note: How could the Bible have foretold the location of this nation, facts about its military, and even the time period it would come to pass? As was already said in Lk 24:25-O FOOLS, AND SLOW OF HEART TO BELIEVE ALL THAT THE PROPHETS HAVE SPOKEN.

10. There would be a nation to the far east of Israel, to the end of the earth. This nation would have an army of 200 million. This is astounding. How could the Bible have told the location of a nation and given such a huge figure regarding the size of its army nearly 2000 years ago? China has boasted that they could field an army of this exact figure. That’s 10 out of 10.

11. There would be an economic alliance of the nations of the Old Roman Empire. It would have a military capability. This is an exact description of the European Economic Community today (the EEC), which has already adopted the one-currency system for many of their member nations. It is written, IN THE DAYS OF THESE KINGS (these nations, which is now) SHALL THE GOD OF HEAVEN SET UP A KINGDOM-Dan 2:44. That’s 11 out of 11. We have just reached the point that seemed impossible—11 perfect predictions made thousands of years ago—with God nothing is impossible. Certainly, at this point, even the biggest skeptic should see the Bible is true, there is a God, and we are nearing the time of the end.

About 22 prophecies in 11 sets have been given, all perfect and all written centuries ago. The chance that any person could do this 2000 years into the future is not possible. The Bible is the Word of God, and we have just proved it. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. Repent and get baptized by full immersion. Read and obey the Gospel. God loves you. He is not willing that any should perish, yet many do. The Rapture is close. Most people are not ready and will not be taken. However, "YOU" cannot say you did not know. Know and understand, Mt 16:26-WHAT IS A MAN PROFITED, IF HE SHALL GAIN THE WHOLE WORLD, AND LOSE HIS OWN SOUL? OR WHAT SHALL A MAN GIVE IN


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11 prophecies fullfilled since May 15, 1948 (Israel became a nation in their own land the 2nd time in all history, impossible with man but all things are possible with God) proves the bible is true and is indeed the Word of God.
1 posted on 02/21/2009 6:09:00 AM PST by kindred
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To: kindred

100% correct!


2 posted on 02/21/2009 6:16:06 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: kindred

I predict the USA is now officially over. The tax system and democracy have combined to destroy the country. With Obama in charge and more taxtakers than taxpayers how easy is it to predict what is coming. The wild card is will the Taxpayers roll over and take it.


3 posted on 02/21/2009 6:16:13 AM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: kindred

12/21/12


4 posted on 02/21/2009 6:18:49 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli now reads "Oil the gun..eat the cannolis.")
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To: kindred
There is a long list of Old and New Testament prophecies that have come true since the Lord ascended. The one prophecy which will get everyone's attention is that when He returns.

5.56mm

5 posted on 02/21/2009 6:20:00 AM PST by M Kehoe
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To: RaceBannon

Bible prophecy has warned the body of Christ of the latter day world church and the social and political corruptions that would lead to the coming of the anti Christ and the one world order that will attack God’s Israel and bring the wrath of God on all nations that hate Israel and seek to destroy her.
I was hoping America would not be one of them. Now I am not so sure.


6 posted on 02/21/2009 6:20:34 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred

Electing Obama just removed the hand of protection Isreal had. This concerns me a great deal.


7 posted on 02/21/2009 6:24:03 AM PST by autumnraine (Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose- Kris Kristoferrson VIVA LA REVOLUTION!)
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To: Don Corleone

Ditto ! !


8 posted on 02/21/2009 6:26:33 AM PST by unojook
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To: screaminsunshine

The democrat party represented by marxist politicians and elected by arrogant,foolish (deceived and deceiving) people will probalbly steal America’s accumalated wealth and power and destroy our nation.
Israel will be a pariah nation that all nations hate and will have to depend on the return of the Lord Jesus Christ to defend and keep her during the 7 year tribulation and wrath of the Lamb on all nations that hate the God of Israel and His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour and Coming King of the whole earth, ruling and reigning from Israel for 1000 years after the 7 year wrath of God on all who do not believe how that Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose again the third day for our salvation.


9 posted on 02/21/2009 6:27:28 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred

Sorry, but you do not know your Bible (or your history). Luke 21:22,32—ALL prophecy was fulfilled within the generation of those living at the time of Jesus. Books that might be of interest: LAST DAYS MADNESS by Gary DeMar, THE PAROUSIA by James Stuart Russell, THE LAST DAYS ACCORDING TO JESUS by R. C. Sproul.


10 posted on 02/21/2009 6:28:44 AM PST by grumpa (VP)
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To: kindred

A Godless America is just as Godless as France.

I think it is too late for us to recover peacefully, if at all.


11 posted on 02/21/2009 6:29:05 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: kindred; Diego1618; Jeremiah Jr
The Rapture is close.

That one falls under

2 Timothy 4:3-4

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

12 posted on 02/21/2009 6:29:46 AM PST by Ezekiel (The Obama-nation began with the Inauguration of Desolation.)
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To: kindred

The prophecy of the two sticks being rejoined has NOT happened yet. And it will be Christ Himself that rejoins the House of Israel (Ten Tribes) with the House of Judah (two tribes). There is NOT enough real estate in that land for these two sticks to be rejoined.

The Heavenly Father told Abram (Abraham) that his seed would be as the stars of heaven and the sands of the sea. Christ called the House of Israel the ‘lost sheep’, lost because they do NOT know who they are, their punishment for whoring after other ‘gods’.


13 posted on 02/21/2009 6:30:37 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: autumnraine

[Electing Obama just removed the hand of protection Isreal had.]

The wrath of God who will defend Israel during the seven year tribulation is all the protection Israel needs. I do feel sorry for America in that it may also join the evil nations of the world in trying to destroy Israel which brings the destruction of so many nations peoples.
However, they do choose to not beleive God and His salvation mercy by Jesus Christ our Lord.


14 posted on 02/21/2009 6:31:14 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred
Most preachers use little Scripture, but lots of worldly stories. Many sing a great deal, but put little emphasis on repentance, obeying, serving, and fearing God...

We left a "church" (mainstream denomination) who's "minister" was preaching from Scott Peck's books instead of the Bible. Joined a real church where we bring our Bibles and read along with the Pastor's sermon to make sure he's on track as people should.

15 posted on 02/21/2009 6:35:41 AM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: ElayneJ

read later


16 posted on 02/21/2009 6:36:30 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: grumpa

[Sorry, but you do not know your Bible (or your history). Luke 21:22,32—ALL prophecy was fulfilled within the generation of those living at the time of Jesus.]

You should read all the scriptures of God in the Holy Bible so that you would know your bible and history. I would guess you are in a deceived liberal church that has departed from the 12 essential doctrines taught in the HOLY Scriptures of God, which so many foolish churchs have abandoned in order to have their ears tickled. The Chruch of Rome is an example of the largest apostate Christondom departure from the God of Israel’s doctrines taught in the Scriptues.
Sola Scriptura.


17 posted on 02/21/2009 6:37:14 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: grumpa
Sorry, but you do not know your Bible (or your history). Luke 21:22,32—ALL prophecy was fulfilled within the generation of those living at the time of Jesus.

Where's the evidence??? we see the evidence of the prophecies, where's the evidence of their fullfilment???

Why have the Scriptures NOT indicated any fullfilment??? Why have historians not indicated a fullfilment of these prophecies???

Anyone can say it happened already...But show us SOMETHING...

18 posted on 02/21/2009 6:38:18 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: Ezekiel

2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Amen.


19 posted on 02/21/2009 6:38:37 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred

But, paraphrasing, “He will come when we least expect it, like a theif in the night.”


20 posted on 02/21/2009 6:38:50 AM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Keep plenty of food and batteries on hand.)
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To: RaceBannon
A Godless America is just as Godless as France. I think it is too late for us to recover peacefully, if at all.

Christ said Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 there would be wars and rumors of wars ... see that ye be not troubled: for all these things MUST come to pass BUT the end is not yet. So what is the opposite of wars and rumors of war, a fake peace peace peace maker. Jeremiah 6:14

Paul tells US what kind of battle we are to arm ourselves for and with what... and it is not a battle against flesh and blood. But to stand against the wiles of the devil. Ephesians 6 What did the devil offer Christ if Christ would bend His knee to the devil???

21 posted on 02/21/2009 6:38:53 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: LiveFreeOrDie2001

22 posted on 02/21/2009 6:44:07 AM PST by Colonial Warrior (Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.)
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To: Iscool

[Why have the Scriptures NOT indicated any fullfilment??? Why have historians not indicated a fullfilment of these prophecies???]

Uh, the above mentioned 11 prohecies have been fulfilled since May 14, 1948 and have been ignored and attacked by the liberal left christiondom who also deny the work and the Word of God as it truly is the Word of God.
2TIM 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2TIM 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

2TIM 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

2TIM 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

2TIM 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

2TIM 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

2TIM 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2TIM 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

2TIM 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their’s also was.

2TIM 3:10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

2TIM 3:11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

2TIM 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

2TIM 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

2TIM 3:14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

2TIM 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2TIM 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2TIM 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


23 posted on 02/21/2009 6:44:49 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: Ezekiel

[The Rapture is close.]

1COR 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1COR 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1COR 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

1COR 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

1COR 15:55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

1COR 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

1COR 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
and
1THESS 4:11 And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you;

1THESS 4:12 That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and that ye may have lack of nothing.

1THESS 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1THESS 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1THESS 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1THESS 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1THESS 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1THESS 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.


24 posted on 02/21/2009 6:51:55 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred
Uh, the above mentioned 11 prohecies have been fulfilled since May 14, 1948 and have been ignored and attacked by the liberal left christiondom who also deny the work and the Word of God as it truly is the Word of God.

Uh, you missed the point...The gentleman stated that ALL prophecies have been fulfilled during the time of Jesus and the Apostles...

I merely asked him to show me some evidence of that...

25 posted on 02/21/2009 6:54:00 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: autumnraine
Electing Obama just removed the hand of protection Isreal had. This concerns me a great deal.

No, Isreal has God's Hand of protection. Ours is meaningless. However, if we allow our current government to make us an enemy of Isreal, then we would become an enemy of God,...and be destroyed along with everyone else who tries to take His nation down.

26 posted on 02/21/2009 6:57:32 AM PST by Ranger Drew
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To: kindred
1COR 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

What does 'sleep' mean? And what is going to be changed? and this happens at the LAST trump and that is when Christ returns for the harvest. Now unless one 'sleeps' they are going to still be here on that DAY when the 'change' occurs for everybody.... The flesh body will be shed.

27 posted on 02/21/2009 6:58:19 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: brushcop
[We left a “church” (mainstream denomination) who's “minister” was preaching from Scott Peck's books instead of the Bible. Joined a real church where we bring our Bibles and read along with the Pastor's sermon to make sure he's on track as people should.]

So did we.There is a world of difference between the biblical doctrines that should be the of the body Christ and the self praising lies held by liberal social gospel denominations who have departed from the truth of God's word into the foolishness of false doctrines that are not the word of God.
Wisdom is justified of her children. God opened our minds to understand the scriptures but we who believe God's word are in the minority in today's latter days, which God warned of. Another warning of the 11 above. And,GAL 1:1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;) GAL 1:2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia: GAL 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, GAL 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father: GAL 1:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. GAL 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: GAL 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. GAL 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. GAL 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. GAL 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. GAL 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. GAL 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

28 posted on 02/21/2009 7:11:17 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred
bookmark bump...
29 posted on 02/21/2009 7:19:07 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - Dear Mr.President, Please make it rain candy!)
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To: Just mythoughts

[What does ‘sleep’ mean?]

1THESS 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
(Those believers who have tied in this grace age of Jew and Gentile church and whose bodies are in the grave will be raised from their graves along with those of us who are alive in the moment the Lord raptures His Church, the born again believers He has save for some 2000 years when He overcame death, hell and the grave and ascended into the heavenlies and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father.
The remainder of 1st Thessolians 4 must be studied in context with all Scriptures, the knowledge of this translation was given to Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles only when God began the Church of Jesus Christ. It is hard for those of us of the fallen race of Adam and under the curse of the creation(GE3) to understand the word of God and His miracle power as we are corrupted from our birth.


30 posted on 02/21/2009 7:25:14 AM PST by kindred (Conservatives have 4 years to start a new conservative party or lose more elections.)
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To: kindred
Amen ! Preach on Brother.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

31 posted on 02/21/2009 7:45:27 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: kindred
The Bible indicates that from Israel’s rebirth a generation would not pass till all be fulfilled.

You seem very knowledgeable. How long is a "generation" in the Bible? I remember reading a book by Hal Lindsey back in the '70s, and he took that verse to mean that the 1980s would be the last decade of human history. I've also heard it said that as long as anyone is still alive who was alive at the time of Israel's rebirth, "this generation" is not considered to have passed away. Since some people live to be over 100, that would indicate the Rapture won't be for a while yet. Lately it does seem as though the signs of the End Times are increasing at a fast pace.

32 posted on 02/21/2009 7:53:06 AM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: kindred

The astounding thing is the amount of prophecies that have come to pass double when you include the Book of Mormon!


33 posted on 02/21/2009 7:53:07 AM PST by teppe (Traditional Marriages start with Traditional Relationships!)
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To: autumnraine

***Electing Obama just removed the hand of protection Israel***

Never fear, “He who keeps Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps...”

WE will be reaping the whirlwind over pulling away from Israel.

Blessing Israel is probably the last good thing this country had going for it.

God’s hand of protection over THIS country is a thing of the past.


34 posted on 02/21/2009 8:00:49 AM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: kindred

I used to think people talking about being “chipped” were kooks. Guess what? I am a merchant Marine captain. We all had to get the mew TWIC card for port security access. It came complete with a gold overlaid “chip” with a symbol of the World on it. Now I do not think they are kooks.


35 posted on 02/21/2009 8:04:42 AM PST by screaminsunshine (f)
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To: grumpa

When people start arguing about the “taking away” or “rapture” or whatever it gets called...

I say, “...don’t worry, it will be explained to you on the way up.”


36 posted on 02/21/2009 8:06:56 AM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: Don Corleone; unojook
A little something to think about.

The Mayan calendar ends on 12/21/12. Nosterdamus has some catostrophic prediction for that year. The Hopi indians have some prophecy, I don't know if it points to 12/21/12, but is believed to fit the timeline.

Here is my thought.

The tribulation is 7 years. With the second 1/2 being the Great Tribulation, when the bowls of judgement get poured out.

I follow the Bible, not seers and "prophets", but I think its possible that some of these "MIGHT" have seen something.

If we use 12/21/12 as a date when the bowls begin to be poured out, the beginning of the Great Tribulation, that would mean that the actual beginning of the 7 year tribulation would be 3-1/2 years earlier. June 2009

No man knows the day or hour. But the Bible gives us clues in what to look for, and to be ready.

I'm not saying or making a prediction. Its just a thought I've had.

37 posted on 02/21/2009 8:07:24 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: kindred

Sure gonna be fun to watch the rewriting of prophetic fulfillment when Iran gets the nuke on Barry’s watch and Israel glows in the dark.


38 posted on 02/21/2009 8:12:25 AM PST by festus (Politics makes for strange bedfellows)
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To: kindred

Thank you Kindred for your comments and those excellent Scripture references. What is edifying is that you can read and reread Scripture a dozen times and STILL see something relevant that you missed, which goes back to it being revealed to a receptive mind.

Seems I have somewhat given Galatians a cursory glance, I’ll spend more time there, thank you.


39 posted on 02/21/2009 8:26:59 AM PST by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: kindred

“These fit the people of today perfectly, but did not fit the people of fifty years ago.”

A. Some would depart from the faith and go into devil worship-
B. People would mock about the last days and not believe
C. People would become lovers of themselves?
D. People would be disobeying their parents
E. People would be grateful for nothing
F. Homosexuality would increase
G. People would be without self-control in sex-
H. People would love pleasures more than God-”

Oh, BS. I’m 60 and I can remember people doing most of those things when I was 10...and they were doing them 50 (or 500) years before that.


40 posted on 02/21/2009 8:36:06 AM PST by Magic Fingers
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To: mountn man
I don't know if it points to 12/21/12, but is believed to fit the timeline.

I believe 2012 is too soon. The next major prophetic milestone is the Battle of Magog, different, I believe, from the Battle of Armageddon.

The unmistakable supernatural intervention which will lead to Israel's success will, according to the prophecy, cause national Israel to turn back to the Father, and speaks of the time it will take to purify the land.

That they are ritualistically purifying the land indicates that this is also the time of the establishment of Yahweh's Temple (Ezekiel), necessarily standing in order for the sacrifice to cease, and more importantly, for Christ to return via the Eastern Gate.

JMO

41 posted on 02/21/2009 8:42:06 AM PST by roamer_1 (Proud 1%er... Reagan Conservatism is the only way forward.)
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To: Ezekiel; kindred
The Bible calls the tribulation the time of judgement. Christians ARE NOT under judgement.

We might be disciplined for our sins, but never under judgement.

Judgement denotes wrath. Christians never fall under Gods wrath.

At the Second Coming when Christ steps on the Mount Of Olives, he is followed by all the saints.

Where do they come from?

The Bible tells us the dead in Christ shall rise first, followed by the living, in a twinkling of an eye, at the last trump.

In Revelation 19 it talks about the great marriage supper of the Lamb. Then its followed by the AC making war against Christ. Christians are with Christ for the marriage supper and come down to earth with Christ for AC's defeat.

42 posted on 02/21/2009 8:44:39 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Nea Wood
There are a few different times ,and time lengths, the Bible talks of a generation.

Psalms tells us that a man shall live 3 score and 10, and if by strength 4 score...

So 70 years as the rule of thumb.

1948 + 70 + or - = 2018ish, give or take.

Thats for the second coming. The tribulation would start 7 years before that.

Also a generation could mean the last person still living when Christ returns, from when Israel was reborn. So I guess we could stretch it out maybe another 30 years.

43 posted on 02/21/2009 9:06:18 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: kindred
C. People would become lovers of themselves-2 Tim 3:1,2.

"We are the ones we've been waiting for..."

44 posted on 02/21/2009 9:21:55 AM PST by paulycy (BEWARE the LIBERAL/MEDIA Complex)
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To: roamer_1
I believe Gog/Magog to be the next major prophesy also.

But I see that 2012, and that war as possible coinciding. Russia and Iran have a strong alliance. Iran has the missles and possibly the nuke material. Ahmadinnerjacket wants to usher in the Mahdi and to wipe Israel from the face of the earth. According to Islam "prophecy" the Mahdi will be ushered in under a great war.

There are some similarities between the Bibles AC and Islams Mahdi.

In Gog/Magog the armies and possibly the countries of Gog-Russia and most Islamic nations-will be destroyed, BY GOD.

We know that the beginning of the trib is the peace deal between AC and Israel. My thought is the peace deal comes after Gog/Magog.

I also think that Israel needs to find vast oil reserves, and become a wealthy nation. My original comment about 2012 was just a thought that I have had, in using other than biblical "prophesy".

Another thought I've had is that Israel became a nation in 1948. Psalms 90 tells us that a man shall live (a generation) 3 score and 10, or even 4 score. So 70-80 years.

1948+70 years = 2018.

That would be if your holding to a generation being 70 years, and timelining it out. Now subtract 7 years for the tribulation, because if your a person who holds to the idea of a rapture, the rapture and second coming are different events.

Whether the trib starts as soon as April or June of this year or not until 2018, doesn't really matter. Time is running out for the harvest. The storm clouds are gathering.

World wide hatred for Israel is rising. The US is weakening, thereby taking our shadow of protection off of Israel. Allowing God to show HIS strength and protection of Israel.

Never before has the world been able to produce a 1 world money or banking system. We now have that ability. Kind of a coincidence that economic systems all over the world are collapsing, just so they can be "saved" by a centralized banking system.

Its interesting that the current financial plans that are to help us, will do nothing but drag us down further weakening us financially and politically.

With the world in financial, political and war chaos, a perfect time for a "savior" to appear.

The US had been doing pretty good, but still people CHOSE to follow Obama as if he were the Messiah, a savior fro mall our ills.

Imagine how people will be when the real player comes on the scene. People here have chosen to believe the Obama lie. I can only imagine people choosing to believe the AC lie.

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."

45 posted on 02/21/2009 9:50:56 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: kindred
1THESS 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. (Those believers who have tied in this grace age of Jew and Gentile church and whose bodies are in the grave will be raised from their graves along with those of us who are alive in the moment the Lord raptures His Church, the born again believers He has save for some 2000 years when He overcame death, hell and the grave and ascended into the heavenlies and is now seated at the right hand of God the Father.

First off it is NOT born again but born from above. First requirement for any to 'see' the kingdom of God. Christ was a partaker of blood and flesh and He came through this flesh age just as the rest of us. Those who refused to be born of woman will NOT see the kingdom of God. This flesh clay pot the potter formed was for the purpose for the soul/spirit intellect to be born and pass through this flesh age. To sleep with the fathers does not mean this flesh clay pot is what is going to be in use when Christ returns.

Christ has not returned so long as we alllllll are still in flesh clay pots. When the flesh clay pot dies the soul/spirit, good bad and in between returns to the Father that sent it.

The remainder of 1st Thessolians 4 must be studied in context with all Scriptures, the knowledge of this translation was given to Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles only when God began the Church of Jesus Christ. It is hard for those of us of the fallen race of Adam and under the curse of the creation(GE3) to understand the word of God and His miracle power as we are corrupted from our birth.

Do you even know what the sin was that cause the Adam to fall? It was a specific sin, and what was demonstrated was that ONLY Christ could pass through this flesh age without ever committing a sin. He was the only perfect pure sacrifice to ever be offered for the sole purpose of giving grace with is unmerited favor to the rest of us that pass through this flesh age.

46 posted on 02/21/2009 9:59:05 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: festus; kindred
Israel may be hit with a nuke or 2, but will not be wiped off the earth as Ahmadinnerjacket vows.

Ezekiel 38-39

Sounds like your actually mocking Bible prophecy, and gloating over the destruction of Israel.

Not a very wise position on either.

1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 "Son of man, set your face against Gog, of the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal; prophesy against him 3 and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 4 I will turn you around, put hooks in your jaws and bring you out with your whole army—your horses, your horsemen fully armed, and a great horde with large and small shields, all of them brandishing their swords. 5 Persia, Cush and Put will be with them, all with shields and helmets, 6 also Gomer with all its troops, and Beth Togarmah from the far north with all its troops—the many nations with you. 7 " 'Get ready; be prepared, you and all the hordes gathered about you, and take command of them. 8 After many days you will be called to arms. In future years you will invade a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and now all of them live in safety. 9 You and all your troops and the many nations with you will go up, advancing like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land.

10 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: On that day thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil scheme. 11 You will say, "I will invade a land of unwalled villages; I will attack a peaceful and unsuspecting people—all of them living without walls and without gates and bars. 12 I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land." 13 Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish and all her villages will say to you, "Have you come to plunder? Have you gathered your hordes to loot, to carry off silver and gold, to take away livestock and goods and to seize much plunder?" '

14 "Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it? 15 You will come from your place in the far north, you and many nations with you, all of them riding on horses, a great horde, a mighty army. 16 You will advance against my people Israel like a cloud that covers the land. In days to come, O Gog, I will bring you against my land, so that the nations may know me when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.

17 " 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Are you not the one I spoke of in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel? At that time they prophesied for years that I would bring you against them. 18 This is what will happen in that day: When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign LORD. 19 In my zeal and fiery wrath I declare that at that time there shall be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. 20 The fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the beasts of the field, every creature that moves along the ground, and all the people on the face of the earth will tremble at my presence. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground. 21 I will summon a sword against Gog on all my mountains, declares the Sovereign LORD. Every man's sword will be against his brother. 22 I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed; I will pour down torrents of rain, hailstones and burning sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23 And so I will show my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD.'

1 "Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, O Gog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand. 4 On the mountains of Israel you will fall, you and all your troops and the nations with you. I will give you as food to all kinds of carrion birds and to the wild animals. 5 You will fall in the open field, for I have spoken, declares the Sovereign LORD. 6 I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in safety in the coastlands, and they will know that I am the LORD.

7 " 'I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the LORD am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign LORD. This is the day I have spoken of.

9 " 'Then those who live in the towns of Israel will go out and use the weapons for fuel and burn them up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears. For seven years they will use them for fuel. 10 They will not need to gather wood from the fields or cut it from the forests, because they will use the weapons for fuel. And they will plunder those who plundered them and loot those who looted them, declares the Sovereign LORD.

11 " 'On that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, in the valley of those who travel east toward the Sea. It will block the way of travelers, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there. So it will be called the Valley of Hamon Gog.

12 " 'For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 13 All the people of the land will bury them, and the day I am glorified will be a memorable day for them, declares the Sovereign LORD.

14 " 'Men will be regularly employed to cleanse the land. Some will go throughout the land and, in addition to them, others will bury those that remain on the ground. At the end of the seven months they will begin their search. 15 As they go through the land and one of them sees a human bone, he will set up a marker beside it until the gravediggers have buried it in the Valley of Hamon Gog. 16 (Also a town called Hamonah will be there.) And so they will cleanse the land.'

17 "Son of man, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Call out to every kind of bird and all the wild animals: 'Assemble and come together from all around to the sacrifice I am preparing for you, the great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel. There you will eat flesh and drink blood. 18 You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth as if they were rams and lambs, goats and bulls—all of them fattened animals from Bashan. 19 At the sacrifice I am preparing for you, you will eat fat till you are glutted and drink blood till you are drunk. 20 At my table you will eat your fill of horses and riders, mighty men and soldiers of every kind,' declares the Sovereign LORD.

21 "I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay upon them. 22 From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.

25 "Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will now bring Jacob back from captivity and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will show myself holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the house of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD."

47 posted on 02/21/2009 10:08:43 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Just mythoughts

“Sleep” and “die” are the same....no one is in heaven yet, contrary to popular belief. When people die they are ‘asleep in the grave’ until the 2nd coming of Christ.


48 posted on 02/21/2009 11:25:35 AM PST by spacejunkie01
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To: Ranger Drew

God protects His people:

Ezekiel 9:3-6 (New International Version)

3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple.


49 posted on 02/21/2009 11:26:14 AM PST by spacejunkie01
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To: spacejunkie01
“Sleep” and “die” are the same....no one is in heaven yet, contrary to popular belief. When people die they are ‘asleep in the grave’ until the 2nd coming of Christ.

NO when the flesh dies it returns to dust from which it came to be, but the soul/spirit returns to the Maker that sent it.... Alll who pass through this flesh age have returned to the Maker. The Adam was not alive-living until the breath of life which means soul was breathed into his nostrils.

50 posted on 02/21/2009 11:30:04 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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