Skip to comments.Prophecy Pundits are at it Again
Posted on 02/24/2009 10:10:12 AM PST by topcat54
Calvary Chapel of Chino California held The Southern California Prophecy Conference last week (Feb. 2022, 2009). I wonder if those who came to hear speakers like Tim LaHaye, Mark Hitchcock, Paul McGuire, David Hocking, David Reagan, and Ed Hindson were aware that Chuck Smith, the founder of the Calvary Chapel network of churches, made some very definite predictions about when the rapture was going to take place.
While cleaning up my office, I came across a cassette tape of a sermon Chuck Smith preached on December 31, 1979. He told his very accepting audience on that day that the rapture would take place in 1981. The former Soviet Republic going into Afghanistan in August of 1978 was the prelude to what Smith considered to be a full-force invasion of the Middle East. It would not be long before Russia would invade Israel, Smith told his audience. All of this was said to have been predicted by Ezekiel 2600 years ago.
Smith went on to claim in his end-of-the-year message of 30 years ago that because of ozone depletion Revelation 16:8 would be fulfilled during the soon-coming Great Tribulation: And the fourth angel poured out his bowl upon the sun; and it was given to it to scorch men with fire. According to Smith, Halleys Comet would pass near the earth in 1986 and would wreck atmospheric havoc for those left behind as debris from its million-mile tail pummeled the earth. Halleys Comet did appear in 1986 with no damage done to our planet. (A similar prelude to the end had been predicted based on the so-called Jupiter Effect.) ...
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Certainly, Quix..., it is flabbergasting... LOL..
How do you know that you’re really typing this. Is Obama in the Oval Office, or is it some replicant? How do you know we have the same Obama that campaigned for the office. Maybe Obama is a shape-shifter and they locked up McCain and Obama campaigned as McCain and for himself, too... LOL..
Was George Bush ever President? Is Elvis still alive? Perhaps the Bible is actually a “code-book” from the aliens from outer space and they are the “gods”...
Islam *is really* a religion of peace and we are simply hate-mongers, after all... :-)
Come to think about it, I don’t know if I’m really me, in the first place, so you can ignore this whole post as it might not be from me — after all...
This is an age in which *nonsense* becomes *sense* to some or even many people...
You said — “I’m not sure how to parse that.”
Ummm.., you parse that in the same way that one adds “to the mix” (of understanding the different positions) what kind of foods are their favorite foods and what color is their favorite colors.
In fact, to *further understanding* of the different positions — if we work hard enough — we can make a label for *each person* individually... And then we’ll know exactly what *everyone’s position* is... LOL...
So, there are 16,200,584 persons with views on eschatology... I can come up with 16,200,584 “labels” for each of their “positions”...
Then we’ll understand fully, what the different positions are....
I don't know what your posterior has to do with this, but you'd know best.
It may be flabbergasting to you because of the logical fallacies (categorical errors) you introduce into the discussion. E.g., The reality that George Bush was president of the United States is far different from the reality of the futurist wrt their assertions about modern Israel vis-a-vis biblical prophecy.
That you would confuse the two types of arguments indicates you may not have a grasp on the issues.
Would you like a Pixy Stix too?
Guess I'll have to bow, yet again, to vastly superior expertise on 'making no logical sense' yet again.
Honor to whom honor is due, and all that.
And all the more so when the theological institute of ‘higher’ education is the
ALICE IN WONDERLAND SCHOOL OF REPLACEMENTARIAN THEOLOGY
Then we need only argue about
TO WHAT DEGREE
is each label
to the personage, entity involved
merely a distorted label.
AMEN. SO BE IT.
Ref to the fullness of the Gentiles, ping.
Is it charitable among brethren?
It would appear that you are continually sowing discord among brethren.
God says that He finds that “detestable”.
love builds up
knowledge puffs up.
think about it
This is just a general comment.
I believe these are the “end times” and that Christ will return soon. I don’t totally disagree with the preterist doctrine but I see this as a second end time that completes the historical age and brings in the Kingdom age.
The signs of the end times are fairly obvious, the rise of a false religion, the widespread belief in a delusion (global warming), the appearance in power of a figure who is clearly in the spirit of antichrist, if not “the” antichrist (a figure who may not actually exist, the Bible is more specific about many antichrists and “the lawless one”) ... and I also believe that America is important in prophecy, that just as Old Testament prophecy was centered on Israel and the Jews, New Testament prophecy is centered on the “west” and Christians, meaning that America is very important to prophecy.
This is a time when all true believers need to make common cause against these very powerful worldly enemies. There is no point in evangelicals, conservative Catholics, Mormons, conservative Jews etc, arguing among themselves about who has the perfect vision of truth, when the world system around all of us seeks to destroy all of us together, without regard for those differences.
And as for atheists or those of weak belief who still see the turn of history represented by prophecy, this is a time to seek spiritual counsel and “get right with the Lord” because the time may be very close at hand.
Watch and pray.
Thanks for the ping!
I think you are confused about sowing discord, which has to do with needless personal offenses, as opposed to pointing out errors in doctrine or fact or life issues.
Jesus, Peter, Paul, et al were often faced with the need to correct others for their defective doctrine/sin issues. Jesus was not sowing discord when He called the Pharisees a brood of vipers. Neither was Paul sowing discord when he opposed Peter publically on the Galatians 2 issue.
This forum is fertile ground for all sorts of defective theologies and questionable statements of fact. Some of them need to be opposed strenuously. I try not to make it personal per the instructions of the religion moderator.
You came in to this thread with a questionable observation about Chuck Smiths past statements vis-à-vis the rapture. That was pointed out to you. Drop it if you wish.
Yet I see over in this thread you have some rather unflattering things to say about the ministry of Joel Osteen. Was that a case of sowing discord?
love builds up knowledge puffs up.
What makes you think I dont love you?
I am confused?
Enjoy your self-appointed position of prophet.
Then reflect upon the fruit of your words.
You compare your actions to that of Jesus and Paul?
They actally won souls.
You strive to merely win arguments.
Ask yourself when the last time a life was healed by your words, or when the last time someone looked at your life, your words and said; “Gee, if being a Christian is to be like you, how do I become one?”. How many souls were won?
But hey...at least you feel you win arguments, right?
You love me?
Don’t compound sin with lies.
Have a pleasant and thoughtfully reflective day.
and FWIW, I take no issue with you having a differnet view.
I do take issue with your boastfully arrogant manner in doing so.
your words do not biuld up, they tear down.
that is the issue.
At least I do not claim to be a self-appointed arbiter of behavior on this forum. That responsibility I could not live with.
This is an argument that Satan would make. Just watch and pray. What do you do when a new Christian begins to ask difficult questions on doctrine? When you begin to teach the word of God, you will understand how much we need to debate the issues. Let's practice swinging the sword around among friends so we will be ready to face the enemy when the time comes.
GREAT WISDOM THERE.
Humbled by it. Thanks.
Thanks for your thoughtful comments.
I’m not at all convinced that this dawning era is centered on the Western Christians as
the earlier era was centered on Israel.
I believe that God is allowing the best form of government of the people, by the people and for the people to be shown to be as bankrupt as any other
WHEN IT FORSAKES GOD AS THE SUPREME PRIORITY.
ALSO, that HE, ALMIGHTY GOD IS DETERMINED TO BE ISRAEL’S ONLY CHAMPION AND SAVIOR IN THIS CLOSING DRAMA OF HISTORY AS IT HAS BEEN FOR SO MANY MILLENIA.