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To: raynearhood

Just because some Calvinists can’t seem to wrap their minds around Romans 11

is no sign that God has a problem with HIS PLAN to incorporate the blood children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob into THEIR TRUE MESSIAH’S REDEMPTION FOR THEM.

What utter clueless balderdash such a Replacementarian perspective persistently spouts.


251 posted on 03/04/2009 8:33:12 AM PST by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix
I know of no one in my camp asserting that Christ is unnecessary.

So you say...

Just because some Calvinists can’t seem to wrap their minds around Romans 11 is no sign that God has a problem with HIS PLAN to incorporate the blood children of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob into THEIR TRUE MESSIAH’S REDEMPTION FOR THEM.

And yet you confirm it. The redemptive work of Christ, to the dispensationalist, is moot to the Jew because God has a future plan to redeem the bloodline of Abraham.

I have no problem with wrapping my mind around Romans 11. God's plan to incorporate the Jews into their true Messiah's redemption for them is the same as His plan to incorporate the Gentiles into their true Messiah's redemption for them.
Romans 11:19-29
You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God's kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off.

And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these who are the natural branches be grafted into their own olive tree?

For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery--so that you will not be wise in your own estimation--that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in; and so all Israel will be saved; just as it is written,
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."

From the standpoint of the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but from the standpoint of God's choice they are beloved for the sake of the fathers; for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
Israel became on equal footing with the Gentile as a result of the redemptive work of Christ. If they continue in unbelief they remain broken off. If they come to belief, they are grafted in. God promised to save His people. He kept that promise with the New Covenant.
"THE DELIVERER WILL COME FROM ZION,
HE WILL REMOVE UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB."
"THIS IS MY COVENANT WITH THEM,
WHEN I TAKE AWAY THEIR SINS."
The Deliverer did come, some 2000 years ago, and reigns NOW. The redemptive work of Christ is needed by all NOW to be saved. There are no second chances outside God's redemptive plan before the Second Coming. There is no second chance during a millennial rule after Christ's return. At the coming of the thief it's too late, the ungrafted will be destroyed.

Trying to inject some sort of future, other kind of salvation for the bloodline of Abraham is the core theological problem of dispensational theology.
254 posted on 03/04/2009 11:16:35 AM PST by raynearhood ("I consider looseness with words no less of a defect than looseness of the bowels" -John Calvin)
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