Posted on 03/29/2009 9:27:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
Oops, uman that I am , left off the H..smile..Holy is His name and beautiful are His ways..
“AllThere ya go, all fixed up!empiricalcircumstantial Naturalistic evidence supports an old Earth.” [excerpt, fixed]
“So let’s postulate that the Bible was transcribed directly from the word of God.” [excerpt]Actually, part of the Bible that describes the creation taking six normal days, was written by God himself.
prove the contradiction. Saying someone is full of crap for believing in a ridiculously young age for the Earth is not the same as claiming to know how old the Earth is.
On what scriptural basis do you conclude that Jesus Christ would be displeased with Christians who believe (on faith!) in a straightforward reading of His own account of creation?
It is not a "reading". It is not even an interpretation. There is nothing in the Bible about the age of Earth. Jesus specifically forbid anyone from adding anything to the Bible (Revelations 22:18) and that is in essence what young-earthers are doing which is extremely dangerous. Jesus Christ our Lord claimed to not know when the end is coming and yet somehow these zealots claim to know the age of earth. We know what Jesus thought of arrogance and none of us can claim to know the age of the earth.
We are called to spread the gospel. This young earth theology is irrational and counterproductive towards bringing people to Christ. Of course you are free to believe what you want and I am free to challenge it and point out the dangers.
“If the Bible requires a young Earth, we must reject Christianity. “
The bible, as it is allegorical, requires nothing of the kind. A minority of Christians that instead adheres to the literal truth of the bible, despite its internal contradictions and for the purpose of assuming a role of self-satisfied superiority among the faithful, is the lone source of the requirement.
Then you either have not read his word, or simply do not believe what it plainly says.
God said that he created the heavens and the Earth in six rotational days. He reaffirmed it in Exodus twice. He gave us the geneologies, and lifespans of the lineage of Christ from Adam. Either you are a believer, or you are not. Just don't lay the conflict of your doubt on the believers. He told us everything we need to know for each and every age, and situation. Believe it, or not; its your choice.
Yes, reality is priceless! (LON)
No, the Bible is a set of specific instructions written to God's elect, and to nobody else. It contains some allegory when it is revealing an important truth, so that the seed of the serpant will not understand, but even when it does that, it tells us that it is allegory in advance. Christ said that it is not given to all to understand his word (Mark 4).
You are free to thrash irrationally, and that is exactly what you are doing."
We do not "bring people to Christ," that is solely the job of the Father, as plainly stated in John 6. Perhaps you think that you have taken over for him, as indicated by your bizzare rants, but you are on thin ice.
Plainly? Where? Apparently it is you who don't understand the word. The Bible does not include the age of the earth. You are adding scripture which simply doesn't exist which is dangerous business indeed as Jesus described in Revelations. Jesus Himself did not know when the end is coming and yet you somehow think you know when the earth was created.
God said that he created the heavens and the Earth in six rotational days. He reaffirmed it in Exodus twice. He gave us the geneologies, and lifespans of the lineage of Christ from Adam. Either you are a believer, or you are not. Just don't lay the conflict of your doubt on the believers. He told us everything we need to know for each and every age, and situation. Believe it, or not; its your choice
Those were six undefined periods of time. They were not "rotational" days. You just made that up. But why doesn't the Bible tell us the age of the earth? Because it is not a science book. Apparently Jesus did not think it was because he did not make even one reference to the age of the earth. Not one.
Your statement "you either believe it or you don't" indicates you seem to think one has to believe your made up theology to be a Christian. Well yes I believe it. I believe the gospel and that's enough for me.
A minority of Christians that instead adheres to the literal truth of the bible, despite its internal contradictions and for the purpose of assuming a role of self-satisfied superiority among the faithful, is the lone source of the requirement.
“Me: Really? Isn’t that like giving us the false impression that the universe is older than it is? Like a trick? A look back into a past that doesn’t really exist? Because that sounds like a lie to me, and I don’t think God would lie to us like that.”
According to the Genesis account, God created Adam as a man. He must have had the apparent age of 30 or so. He would have blood flowing through his veins - even thought he had never eaten before. AND he had enough information present in his brain to allow his to communicate with God.
Creating a fully mature man - or universe - isn’t some sort of deception.
“This thread would be as long as “War and Peace” if I were to list all the clearly visible things that can only be supportive of the Bible’s description of a young Earth.”
I would love to see that list - or a list of similar data on the web if you have it.
“We are called to spread the gospel.”
You seem to be called to spread you attitude.
There are no contradictions in God’s word.
If you think that you see a contradiction, you simply need more study.
Study deeply enough, and you will find that what you call “superority” is simply the confidence that comes from encountering the perfection of God’s word.
Well, since the age changes from day to day, that would be a feat indeed, but the Bible does exactly state the length of the period from the creation, to the birth of Christ.
All it takes is to add up the ages of each individual listed in the geneology when their progeny was born. The sum of all of them is the total period from creation, to the birth of Christ.
If the geneologies are not in your bible, get one with a black leather cover.
“Creating a fully mature man - or universe - isn’t some sort of deception.”
It is when your universe contains TV episodes that were “recorded yesterday” - for a yesterday that doesn’t exist.
That’s what it is like when you see the light of a supernova today that occurred 30 million years ago.
I’m actually not going to argue this because I am aware that no one is going to be swayed. So feel free to respond if you want to get the last word in, but I’m 100% certain you won’t convince me of anything.
My post stands in its entirety.
“There are no contradictions in God’s word.
If you think that you see a contradiction, you simply need more study.”
In Scientology, perhaps, but not Christianity.
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