Posted on 03/29/2009 9:27:19 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
As opposed to what? Magic?
Explain the natural process of special creation.
Since it is solidly proven that there are no contradictions in God’s word, I can only assume that your statements stand on their head in quicksand.
There must be something wonderful that I missed about scientology, since all the lunaticks seem to hate it viscerally. Could you illuminate us on what that might be?
“It is when your universe contains TV episodes that were “recorded yesterday” - for a yesterday that doesn’t exist.”
Or like when a human can converse on the very day he was “born” like Adam?
How did all the necessary information get in his brain?
It definitely wasn’t “recorded earlier”.
I’m not looking for the last word, but your comment that you are, “100% certain you won’t convince me of anything.” indicates some real intellectual arrogance on your part.
So, if an atheist decided he was going to convince you or me that God doesn’t exist and I told him “I’m 100% certain you won’t convince me of anything” I would be intellectually arrogant?
Or how about if a Baptist tried to convince a Congregationalist that you can ONLY be saved through baptism? And the Congregationalist said “I’m 100% certain you won’t convince me of that.”
Don’t cast dispersions. It’s unbecoming.
“Since it is solidly proven that there are no contradictions in God’s word...”
How does one solidly prove an article of faith?
Its a simple logical fact that has nothing to do with faith. All published reports of contradictions in the Bible have been disproven for over 50 years. It’s been that long since a new variant has come along.
They’re all based in self-importance and impatience, not logic nor fact.
“Its a simple logical fact that has nothing to do with faith.”
God’s word has everything to do with faith. Again, how does one solidly prove an article of faith?
“All published reports of contradictions in the Bible have been disproven for over 50 years.”
Hardly. Many are discussed (not refuted) here on a daily basis. Does pi=3?
You just set your intellectual level to zero.
The real value of pi from the total numeric value of the hebrew characters is accurate to the second decimal place. The "3" is an inferred number from dividing the numbers used in the Geneva, and KJV, which were definately not intended to invoke any constant.
A literal reading of the bible yields a value for pi of 3. We know that that is not the case. Has the bible been disproven?
“You just set your intellectual level to zero.”
Thank you for the kind words; one comes to expect such treatment from zealots.
“The real value of pi from the total numeric value of the hebrew characters is accurate to the second decimal place.”
Are you suggesting that the only source for the existence and value of pi is the Hebrew version of the bible? It has not been derived elsewhere?
“As opposed to what? Magic?” [excerpt]I was just correcting your misstatement concerning what scientific methodology is used for Evolutionary subjects, including the age of the earth.
“Explain the natural process of special creation.” [excerpt]Darwin covers that in his book Origins.
“So, if an atheist decided he was going to convince you or me that God doesn’t exist and I told him “I’m 100% certain you won’t convince me of anything” I would be intellectually arrogant?”
100% certitude regarding a direct statement by God in the Scriptures (i.e. “God exists”) is not intellectual arrogance, it is merely agreeing with what God has said in the Scriptures. You are simply agreeing that God has the knowledge He claims to have.
100% certitude regarding a personal interpretation of Scripture (i.e. “the creation account is non literal” or “there was no universal flood” or “Jesus didn’t literally walk on water” etc.) is intellectual arrogance because it assumes absolute knowledge of said historical events on the part of the person doing the interpretation.
If you stand by your statement that you are “100% certain you won’t convince me of anything,” then you are displaying intellectual arrogance in that you are presuming to have absolute and complete knowledge of the events of creation.
You leave no room for the possibility of your own ignorance. Christian humility should at least require that of you.
It reminds me of a certain 5 year old I know telling me he, “knows everything” about airplanes.
You have equally left no room for the possibility of your own ignorance, which makes you both arrogant and a hypocrite.
In a world filled with digital computers, pi is re-derrived millions of times each day. 2600 years ago, the only source definately was the Hebrew text written out under the inspiration of God by the prophets. When they wrote that the circumference of the laver was 31-5/12 cubits, I seriously doubt that they were consious of the general usefulness of the transcendental constant that it represented. There isn't even any record of the first time that it was used for any purpose other than building the laver.
That’s not the point. Pi is an irrational, trancendental number that is derivable in multiple ways, and it is most definitely not equal to 3. Had the bible said “about 3”, then there would be no argument. The only way to account for the error is to engage in interpretation—that is, the bible is not literally correct on this point. Either that, or conclude that pi did equal 3 in biblical times. That wouldn’t be such a stretch for some here!
“You have equally left no room for the possibility of your own ignorance, which makes you both arrogant and a hypocrite.”
I have not claimed 100% certitude.
Why do you reply to a post that you didn’t read?
There is no error. The Masoretic text value of pi was 3.1423 if you are using the givin values and deviding them out. That number is correct at the second decimal place, which was beyond any attainable tape measured accuracy until the 20th century.
The “3” that you hang on to is nothing but the translators not having sufficient understanding of how numbers were delt with in Hebrew. They just disregarded three characters.
So are you saying that those who hold to the inerrancy of the English language bible may be proclaiming that a translation error is the holy word of God?
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