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To: mrjesse; LeGrande; betty boop; Alamo-Girl

If you don't have time to answer them all at first, please just answer the red one!

-Jesse

The Red question - 12 light hour away planet:

For an observer on earth who is looking at a bright and stationary planet that is 12 light hours away and is above the earth's equator, at the instant that said planet appears in the east will it really be in the west? Will its gravity be pulling in the opposite direction of where the light appears to come from at that instant?
LeGrande's Answer: Refuses to answer so far.


All of your questions appear to be variations on the same theme -- and are occasioned by your misperception that there is a difference between rotation and orbiting.

The page linked byLeGrande in #716 answers all your questions.

Bottom line: for viewers within the universe, both cases are the same. Only an observer outside the system (you, the viewer of the page showing both animations at once) can discern which case (or complex combination of the two) represents reality.

Once you grasp the concept of relativity, it should be obvious that six days from God's viewpoint and billions of years from ours are one and the same -- and that the mind-burps of the medieval Bishop Ussher are totally irrelevant...

724 posted on 06/13/2009 9:18:20 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: TXnMA; mrjesse; LeGrande; betty boop
Thank you so very much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!

Bottom line: for viewers within the universe, both cases are the same. Only an observer outside the system (you, the viewer of the page showing both animations at once) can discern which case (or complex combination of the two) represents reality.

Once you grasp the concept of relativity, it should be obvious that six days from God's viewpoint and billions of years from ours are one and the same..

I'd like to add that some have appealed to coordinate transformations as supporting their geocentric cosmology. But, as you have said here, they must grasp relativity.

Which is to say, the ability to transform coordinates mathematically does not constitute a true statement about the cosmos. Space/time exists independent of the observer's choice of a coordinate system. Astronomical observations should confirm the coordinate system, which they do for heliocentricity but not geocentricity.


730 posted on 06/13/2009 10:18:18 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: TXnMA; Zero Sum; LeGrande
Said TXnMA:All of your questions appear to be variations on the same theme -- and are occasioned by your misperception that there is a difference between rotation and orbiting.

The page linked byLeGrande in #716 answers all your questions.


Please see Zero Sum's great answer on that.

The animation does not answer any of my questions in the same way that you or LeGrande would answer them if you would answer them.

Please note that the ball thrower in the animation always throws the ball exactly at the catcher, and exactly when the catcher is directly in front of them. They do not lead on it. That is because the catcher is angularly stationary, and it's the thrower that's rotating.

If you still think LG is right, then please go ahead and answer the rest of my color coded questions if you might be so kind!

There IS a difference between spinning and being orbited, and it becomes blatently obvious when there's a third body in motion - such as a ball or light. If the thrower was not rotating but being orbited by the catcher, then the thrower would have to lead on the catcher. Pleaes go step through the animation to see that the thrower never leads on the catcher: The ball always leaves the throwers hand at the exact direction of the catcher, and the ball goes in a straight line between the thrower's hand and the catcher.

And here's a freebie - there sure does seem to be an absolute angular rate zero. A good gyro can detect the earth's rotation. An even better one can detect the not only the earth's rotation, but it's yearly journey around the sun. Somehow a gyro, burried 50 miles deep in the earth, can measure its own angular movement referenced to something outside of the solar system - something which gives all appearance of being absolute angular rate of zero.

Gotta run. Need to video the remainder of a gradation ceremony.

Thanks,

-Jesse
736 posted on 06/13/2009 2:01:36 PM PDT by mrjesse (The big bang and dark matter exist only in black holes that are supposed to be full of gray matter)
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