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Scranton bishop threatens to deny sacrament to Casey
Republican Herald ^ | April 30, 2009 | BORYS KRAWCZENIUK

Posted on 04/30/2009 5:40:25 AM PDT by NYer

For the first time publicly, Diocese of Scranton Bishop Joseph F. Martino made it clear Wednesday that he might eventually bar U.S. Sen. Bob Casey from receiving communion if the senator doesn’t follow his advice on opposing abortion.

The bishop also said the senator should now think twice about receiving communion after voting Tuesday to confirm an abortion rights supporter, former Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, as Health and Human Services secretary.

“If necessary, future determinations will be made regarding whether Sen. Casey is worthy to receive Holy Communion,” a Diocese of Scranton statement on Casey’s vote said. “However, at this point Bishop Martino believes it is incumbent upon Sen. Casey to reflect on his actions and ask himself if he should receive the sacrament.”

The bishop said he plans to continue to monitor Casey’s positions and votes on “life issues.” He also believes he has “a pastoral responsibility to instruct the senator about these serious moral issues” because Casey is a member of the diocese.


In letters last month and earlier this week, the bishop warned Casey against voting for Sebelius.

As he has for months, Bishop Martino declined to make himself available to answer questions about his position.

“The bishop isn’t available for an interview,” diocesan spokesman Dan Gallagher said in an e-mail.

In a telephone interview, Casey, who opposes abortion, declined to comment directly on the bishop’s new warning, but defended his support of Sebelius.

“Although I disagree with her on some issues, including a number of the decisions she has made on abortion, I believe my vote in favor of her confirmation was correct,” he said in a statement.

Casey also said:

· Leaving the position vacant as the country faces a possible flu pandemic “would be highly irresponsible.”

· The country cannot afford a further delay in appointing the official who will lead the fight to make sure more than 40 million uninsured Americans have health insurance and to reform the nation’s health care system.

· Sebelius has executive experience both as a governor and Kansas insurance commissioner that will help her carry out her duties.

“While the Secretary of HHS will have a limited role in defining abortion policy, I look forward to working with the president to reduce the number of abortions through measures like my Pregnant Women’s Support Act legislation,” Casey said in the statement.

The diocesan statement questions whether Casey is as opposed to abortion as he says he is and accuses him of having an “inconsistent” voting record.

It praises Casey’s support for legislation to aid pregnant women and families, but says he voted:

· Against restricting the payment of American tax dollars to foreign family planning groups that refuse to renounce abortion. Casey says such groups are already forbidden from using American tax dollars for abortions and the new restriction is unnecessary.

· To confirm Harvard Law School Dean Elena Kagan as solicitor general, despite her support of partial-birth abortion and her opposition to withdrawing federal money from taxpayer-funded abortion clinics and funding for teen-pregnancy counseling by religious institutions.

· To confirm Sebelius, who vetoed laws to restrict late-term abortions, including one that would have allowed lawsuits against doctors who perform abortions illegally and required late-term abortion providers to give “a fuller account” of each abortion. Sebelius also took hundreds of thousands in contributions from “one of our nation’s most notorious abortionists.”

That’s “ample evidence for the anti-life evidence she will make in this key position,” the diocesan statement said.




TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics; Worship
KEYWORDS: casey; catholic; moralabsolutes; oh; pa; prolife; sebelius
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1 posted on 04/30/2009 5:40:25 AM PDT by NYer
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To: Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...

Bishop Joseph F. Martino


2 posted on 04/30/2009 5:41:34 AM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

And his father, Bob Casey, who actually WAS pro-life, gets a new job as St. Peter’s office fan.


3 posted on 04/30/2009 5:43:24 AM PDT by nina0113 (Hugh Akston is my hero.)
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To: NYer

Casey has never been fully PRO-life....

Good for the Bishop!


4 posted on 04/30/2009 5:46:54 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified DeCartes))
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To: NYer
It is always encouraging to see clergy not only with balls, but the willingness to use them... unlike the pathetic cowards who run Notre Dame.

I hope this guy keeps up the pressure.

And for those of you not familiar with Penna. politics, Sen. Bob Casey, Jr. is the son of the late, great, radically pro-life governor Bob Casey. This was the same Gov. Casey who spoke at the 1992 GOP convention after being kicked out of the DNC for his opposition to abortion. This is also the same Gov. Casey who was so opposed to abortion that he refused to campaign for his fellow Democrat Lt. Governor in his own bid for the governorship because said candidate was pro-choice.

The late governor must be rolling over in his grave over his son's betrayal of his legacy.

5 posted on 04/30/2009 5:46:56 AM PDT by pnh102 (Save America - Ban Ethanol Now!)
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To: NYer

Thanks you Bishop Joseph F. Martino.


6 posted on 04/30/2009 5:58:20 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: NYer

Bishop Martino is something of a joke when it comes to theology and a loose canon to boot but he certainly has the authority to say this to Casey and to bar him from the sacraments if he decides that’s necessary.

I wonder how much longer Latin Rite Catholics will or should hold elective office in this country? Personally, I doubt I would vote for any pol who gets his/her voting instructions from a bishop or any other cleric or preacher for that matter. In fact, it probably would be a good idea from here on out to ask Latin Rite politicians if they intend to represent their bishops’ interpretation of Latin Church dogma or their constituents.


7 posted on 04/30/2009 6:02:52 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer

How about eliminating her because she didn’t pay her taxes..


8 posted on 04/30/2009 6:05:03 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (May the good saints protect you & bless you today & may troubles ignore you Each step of the way)
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To: Kolokotronis
Are you going to ask the same question of Baptist, Presbyterian, Orthodox, Mohammedan, Zoroastrian politicians?

Would you, then, only vote for unprincipled spineless poll-driven morons?

Seems like Bill Clinton is the very model of the perfect politician, for you.

Or, perhaps you'd like to revise and extend your remarks ...

9 posted on 04/30/2009 6:11:31 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Good for him !!!!


10 posted on 04/30/2009 6:12:25 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Are you going to ask the same question of Baptist, Presbyterian, Orthodox, Mohammedan, Zoroastrian politicians?”

Of the first three, absolutely; in fact I have. I’d never vote for a Mohammedan and the only Zoroastrian I know isn’t a citizen.

“Would you, then, only vote for unprincipled spineless poll-driven morons?”

No, likely I’d vote for the first politician willing to stand up and proclaim that the floor of hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.

“Seems like Bill Clinton is the very model of the perfect politician, for you.”

Never voted for the man.

You know, AB, principled politicians are rare birds and often worth voting for for that single reason alone. What I won’t vote for is a craven lickspittel of any cleric, who quakes at the thought that he/she will be denied communion for voting in a manner the cleric finds objectionable.


11 posted on 04/30/2009 6:28:45 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: NYer
Scranton bishop threatens to deny sacrament to Casey

And once again, the stupid media try to make it look like the bishop is the bad guy by "denying" the sacrament. He is protecting Casey from committing a sacrilege. Receiving the eucharist is not a right ... it's a gift. And if someone received is while not in a state of grace, they "eat and drink damnation upon themselves."

12 posted on 04/30/2009 6:31:31 AM PDT by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: NYer; theKid51

LOL, and good post


13 posted on 04/30/2009 6:32:37 AM PDT by bmwcyle (American voters can fix this world if they would just wake up.)
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To: NYer

Since when has any of these pro-abort politicians heeded the advise of the bishops? Like Casey, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry etc.

Time for dialogue has long passed. It’s time for the bishops to act with real action, or shut up.


14 posted on 04/30/2009 6:38:35 AM PDT by m4629
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To: Kolokotronis
You seem to be missing the point ...

These pro-death bozos are going around

1) Claiming to be Catholic
2) Supporting in every way possible the bloody murder of unborn children.

Their behaviour is scandalous. They need to be told, flat out, that (2) above is incompatible with (1) above ... and that if they persist in (2) that (1) will be declared null. Bishop Martino (and others) should simply declare them excommunicated and be done with it. If Bishop Martino's skull becomes a flagstone in Satan's Courtyard, it may very likely be because of what he hasn't done. And the flagstone next over may well be Casey's skull.

You seem to forget that part of a Bishop's job is to teach.

15 posted on 04/30/2009 6:38:51 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kolokotronis
principled politicians are rare birds and often worth voting for for that single reason alone.

That's frightening. Does in not matter to you at all what those principles are?

16 posted on 04/30/2009 6:40:10 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kolokotronis

***voting in a manner the cleric finds objectionable.***

It’s not what the “cleric” finds objectionable, it’s what the Church, the Bride of Christ, finds objectionable. Surely you know that the Church has always condemned abortion - even back to the “Didache” of the second century. The “cleric” has a duty to warn people that if they receieve the Blessed Sacrament in a state of mortal sin, they are condemning themselves to hell. “Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.” I Cor. 11:27 I know you, as a member of the Orthodox church, know this. You are just trying to pick fights with whatever position the “Latin Rite” Church takes. You can never say one good thing about us - there’s always something wrong.


17 posted on 04/30/2009 6:42:49 AM PDT by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Texan)
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To: pnh102
This was the same Gov. Casey who spoke at the 1992 GOP convention after being kicked out of the DNC for his opposition to abortion.

No, Casey did not speak at the convention. He was denied a slot because he was pro-life.

18 posted on 04/30/2009 6:44:40 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: NYer

A bishop tells a politician to vote agaisnt abortion. Notre Dame invites an abortionist to speak. The Catholic Church sounds as divided as the GOP.


19 posted on 04/30/2009 6:45:22 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( I hate all politicians. Including republicans.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“You seem to be missing the point ...”

I don’t think so. My point is that I, as an Orthodox Christian, do not hold that a pro-life position trumps all other Christian positions, or conversely, that a pro abortion position necessarily outweighs all other Christian positions. I can and I have voted for politicians whose public positions support what you and I call a pro abortion stance, and I have done that while being active in our state’s Right to Life movement. My Church does not teach me that a pro life position is the only test for my vote. Under the circumstances, I don’t want to be represented by someone who votes a certain way because his/her bishop holds a position not held by Orthodoxy and insists that a politician under obedience to him vote in accordance with that theological position.

“Their behaviour is scandalous. They need to be told, flat out, that (2) above is incompatible with (1) above ... and that if they persist in (2) that (1) will be declared null. Bishop Martino (and others) should simply declare them excommunicated and be done with it.”

AB, that’s fine with me. Like I said, its the bishop’s call. But if I lived in his diocese, I’d NEVER vote for any pol who qualifies as or hopes to qualify as a good Latin Rite Catholic.


20 posted on 04/30/2009 6:50:32 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“Does in not matter to you at all what those principles are?”

Sure, especially in comparison to a politician whose “principles” are venial, materialistic and self centered.


21 posted on 04/30/2009 6:54:55 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
It seems to me that you're willing to vote for politicians who espouse anti-Christian principles ... because at least they're principled.

But you would never vote for a "Latin Rite" politician who espouses explicitly Christian principles ... because a Bishop had the temerity to also espouse said principles.

If I didn't know any better, I'd think you were getting carried away with either "anti-Latinism" or "anticleiricalism". Your right, of course. It's still a more-or-less free country. But it seems bizarre to me.

22 posted on 04/30/2009 6:58:44 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kolokotronis
Party No. 1 nominates a committed stalinist.

Party No. 2 nominates a spineless, poll-driven moron.

Third parties offer no nomination.

How do you cast your vote?

23 posted on 04/30/2009 7:01:00 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

I hear a lot of talk about this, but have never seen a published report where this has actually happened. Did I miss it, or is this all just a bunch of hot air?


24 posted on 04/30/2009 7:01:11 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: philly-d-kidder
How about eliminating her because she didn’t pay her taxes.

Indeed. Or because she lied about campaign contributions.

25 posted on 04/30/2009 7:02:12 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NYer

Key words: “might eventually.”


26 posted on 04/30/2009 7:10:20 AM PDT by arturo ("A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it." - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Kolokotronis
But if I lived in his diocese, I’d NEVER vote for any pol who qualifies as or hopes to qualify as a good Latin Rite Catholic.

Apparently, you don't realize that this isn't about YOU and who you would vote for. It's about this individual politician doing something that is in direct conflict with deeply held convictions of the Catholic Church, and the church taking action in relation to that.

You may not agree, and that's fine. Your "orthodox" church is a bit more "laizze faire" concerning pro-life issues, and that's up to them. (I use quotations on "orthodox" because it would seem to be completely unorthodox for a church to shrug its collective shoulders at the murder of innocents. But that's just my opinion.)

If you don't like what the "Latin Rite" church teaches, then I suggest you stay away from it. I'm quite sure they will be staying away from yours.

27 posted on 04/30/2009 7:10:26 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“How do you cast your vote?”

Write in.


28 posted on 04/30/2009 7:12:25 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: MEGoody

“Apparently, you don’t realize that this isn’t about YOU and who you would vote for.”

No, when it comes to politicians being driven to vote the way his/her bishop wants under threat of what amouts to excommunication, it is very much my business and that of every other voter.

“If you don’t like what the “Latin Rite” church teaches, then I suggest you stay away from it. I’m quite sure they will be staying away from yours.”

Well, see, the overwhelming number of Orthodox laity, lower clergy and monastics, and, I suspect, hierarchs, want to stay very far away from the Latin Church. The Latin Church, however, seems determined to save itself from the consequences of its Vatican II folly by reuniting with us. I sincerely hope that Rome will decide that given our attitudes, it would be best for them to go it alone. :)


29 posted on 04/30/2009 7:17:04 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Good. That's what I do.

Now ...

Party No. 1 nominates a committed Catholic.

Party No. 2 nominates a spineless, poll-driven moron.

Third parties offer no nominations.

How do you vote?

30 posted on 04/30/2009 7:17:56 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: NYer

Please wake us when this bishop actually stops Casey at the rail.


31 posted on 04/30/2009 7:20:59 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SumProVita
Casey is worse than “pro-choice”: he's FAKE pro-life, so he gives cover to the Democrats and confuses sincere people about what opposition to abortion should look like.
32 posted on 04/30/2009 7:23:20 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: ArrogantBustard

” How do you vote? “

Where I live? All things being equal, the Catholic. In Scranton? Write in.


33 posted on 04/30/2009 7:23:26 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: MEGoody

Personally, I would have a very hard time attending a church that was indifferent to the murder of innocents.


34 posted on 04/30/2009 7:23:44 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Kolokotronis
Interesting ... So the real problem is that if a Bishop dares to "Bish" ... you'll oppose any members of 'his' Church who run for office.

Matthew 5:

13 You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt lose its savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is good for nothing any more but to be cast out, and to be trodden on by men. 14 You are the light of the world. A city seated on a mountain cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle and put it under a bushel, but upon a candlestick, that it may shine to all that are in the house. 16 So let your light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

I fail to understand why anyone who professes to be a Christian would want other Christians to "put [their candle] under a bushel". Yet this is precisely what you want Catholic Bishops to do.

35 posted on 04/30/2009 7:30:08 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kolokotronis

The gum flapping of an ignorant schismatic is irrelevant.


36 posted on 04/30/2009 7:40:17 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Kolokotronis
But if I lived in his diocese, I’d NEVER vote for any pol who qualifies as or hopes to qualify as a good Latin Rite Catholic.

FRiend, I'm not as learned a man as you. I do not have a Legal Degree. But it appears to me that your statement quoted above is tantamount to saying that you are in favor of a religious test to hold public office in the US. And while you did not explicitly advocate that for everyone, you certainly announced here that it was your criteria. And your other posts drive home the point that you do in fact have as your number one criteria the religious affiliation of the candidate. You have every right to your opinion.

But I believe the historical record shows that Our Founders considered that view anathema to a Republican form of government conceived in liberty and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. And as such are entitled to be judged as individuals when seeking public office irrespective of their religious affiliations. If any criteria can be said to be Un-American it is yours ,Sir.

Be careful what you try to impose on others, lest it is imposed upon you.

37 posted on 04/30/2009 7:40:44 AM PDT by mick (Central Banker Capitalism is NOT Free Enterprise)
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To: Kolokotronis
You have got your facts wrong. First of all, our Church includes more than the “Latin rite.” Second, the “latin-rite” bishops have made common cause with politicians on a wide-range of issues since the New Deal. During the ‘80s, they reacted to the growing support for abortion rights among Democrats by giving cover to liberal Democrats such as Mario Cuomo by not condemning his “personally opposed, publicly pro-choice” speech at Notre Dame. Conservatives such as Cardinal O'Connor upbraided Ferraro for her pro-choiuce stand in 1984, and many other Catholics followed his lead by
voting for Reagan.

Two many “clerics,” however, had their roots in Democratic households, and so the bishops have been slow to make their opposition to Democratic social policies that have become more and more radically opposed to the teachings of the Church. This has led to the split in the Church that we see evident in the Notre Dame flap. The Democrats have made abortion rights and gay rights party shibboleths. Whatever you think of Martino he is simply telling us the way the cow ate the cabbage. If you don't like the way he is doing it, I suggest you look at the tact taken Archbishop Chaput, who as he has pointed out, grew up as a Democrat and shares many opinions with the Democrats but is telling his flock that the Democrats now support many policies that no one who calls himself a Catholic can consistently support.

38 posted on 04/30/2009 7:43:10 AM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: Kolokotronis
I wonder how much longer Latin Rite Catholics will or should hold elective office in this country? Personally, I doubt I would vote for any pol who gets his/her voting instructions from a bishop or any other cleric or preacher for that matter. In fact, it probably would be a good idea from here on out to ask Latin Rite politicians if they intend to represent their bishops’ interpretation of Latin Church dogma or their constituents.

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Casey cannot be compelled to do anything. If he wants to remain a Catholic in good standing, he must put into practice the teachings of the Church.

It's up to him.

39 posted on 04/30/2009 7:54:18 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MEGoody

Amen


40 posted on 04/30/2009 7:56:48 AM PDT by philly-d-kidder (May the good saints protect you & bless you today & may troubles ignore you Each step of the way)
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To: Kolokotronis
You wrote:

Bishop Martino is something of a joke when it comes to theology and a loose canon to boot but he certainly has the authority to say this to Casey and to bar him from the sacraments if he decides that’s necessary.

I think the incredibly dumb, schimatic Greek Orthodox Church is even worse... And especially who believe in such non-sense...

41 posted on 04/30/2009 7:59:08 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
Because of FOCA, the USCCB really needs to take action now to basically say that anyone who votes for FOCA will automatically be ex-communicated.

Especially, it should be conveyed that if politician votes for FOCA, they may not receive a Catholic funeral Mass or other sacraments -- without a public recantation...

42 posted on 04/30/2009 8:02:45 AM PDT by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Kolokotronis
I’d NEVER vote for any pol who qualifies as or hopes to qualify as a good Latin Rite Catholic.

You'd rather vote for someone who defends and abets the murder of innocent infants?

43 posted on 04/30/2009 8:02:47 AM PDT by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: topher

I cannot go along with calling the Greek Orthodox Church “incredibly dumb”. Schismatic, yes. But not dumb.


44 posted on 04/30/2009 8:04:13 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard; topher
I cannot go along with calling the Greek Orthodox Church “incredibly dumb”. Schismatic, yes. But not dumb.

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I have to agree.

45 posted on 04/30/2009 8:05:39 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Kolokotronis
who quakes at the thought that he/she will be denied communion

Of course politicians should quake at that thought. They only have power because God gave them power. A politician who defies the Prince of the Church is an usurper of power, who should be driven out of office tarred and feathered.

46 posted on 04/30/2009 9:00:55 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Kolokotronis; trisham; ArrogantBustard

The Orthodox Church is very pro-life. I could easily see my Priest refuse Communion to a politician that in any way supported abortion.

In fact the Catholic and Orthodox view is nearly identical. We should stand with our Catholic brethren when they are right. The fighting between our Churches has gone on too long and even the Patriarchs (Pope) seems to have buried the hatchet, the laity should do the same.

If a person claims to hold a particular faith, I expect them to act in accordance with it. It they are Catholic or Orthodox they should be following the teaching of their Church, otherwise it is a significant character flaw.

It it truly hypocritical for us Orthodox to criticise a Catholic for following the teachings of his Church/Bishop as we should do the same. Please note I typed teachings and not opinions.

I’m proud of the Catholic Bishop that has finally stood up and done the right thing. More of our Bishops should do the same. It is not a flaw with the Churches that keep the Bishops (of both faiths) from speaking the truth, but rather a flaw with those Bishops individually.

The Orthodox and Catholic faiths are so close that politically there should be no difference. Please don’t create a rift between us that should not be there.


47 posted on 04/30/2009 9:05:47 AM PDT by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: JosephW

As to schizmatic the mutual excommunications were lifted so neither is schimatic in the eyes of their Church. Catholics that call Orthodox (or the other way around) schizmatic are being the hypocrits that I mentioned in the previous posting.

I’m assuming that those comments here are just in fun, or out of ignorance and will be corrected. Besides when you start with One Church comprised of seven Patriarchates and only one is separated from the other six, it is ususally the one that is called schizmatic, not the other way around (got to have some fun with you Cat Lickers)


48 posted on 04/30/2009 9:10:07 AM PDT by JosephW (Mohammad Lied, People die!)
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To: JosephW
In fact the Catholic and Orthodox view is nearly identical. We should stand with our Catholic brethren when they are right. The fighting between our Churches has gone on too long and even the Patriarchs (Pope) seems to have buried the hatchet, the laity should do the same...

The Orthodox and Catholic faiths are so close that politically there should be no difference. Please don’t create a rift between us that should not be there.

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Amen. Absolutely right, and well said.

49 posted on 04/30/2009 9:10:58 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

>>The gum flapping of an ignorant schismatic is irrelevant.<<

I don’t know that I would call that very Christian.


50 posted on 04/30/2009 9:13:02 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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