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Archbishop Burke Slams Obama's Appearance at Notre Dame
FOX News ^ | May 8, 2009 | FOXNews

Posted on 05/08/2009 9:39:12 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan

One of the Vatican's highest ranked clerics and a frequent critic of President Obama said Friday that Notre Dame is causing a "scandal" by giving the president an honorary degree and a platform to address graduates at its commencement next weekend.

'The proposed granting of an honorary doctorate at Notre Dame University to our president, who is so aggressively advancing an anti-life and anti-family agenda, is rightly the source of the greatest scandal," said Archbishop Raymond Burke, who is the prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, the Vatican's highest court.

Burke, the former archbishop of St. Louis and vocal opponent of giving communion to politicians who support abortion rights, told Catholics at a national prayer breakfast in Washington, D.C., that "with unparalleled arrogance, our nation is choosing to renounce its foundation on the faithful."

He pointed to several Obama administration decisions that he said have damaged "the fundamental society that is the family," citing the repeal of the conscience clause, which prohibits health care workers from refusing to participate in abortion-related services; repeal of the Mexico City policy, which allows federal funding to be used abroad to provide abortions; presidential support of the Freedom of Choice Act, which prevents government from in any way denying or interfering with a woman's right to choose; and support of the U.S. Population Fund, which he noted supports China's one-child policy.

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TOPICS: Catholic; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; bhoabortion; catholic; notredame; notredamescandal; prolife

1 posted on 05/08/2009 9:39:12 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: TaxachusettsMan

>>One of the Vatican’s highest ranked clerics and a frequent critic of President Obama said Friday that Notre Dame is causing a “scandal” by giving the president an honorary degree and a platform to address graduates at its commencement next weekend.<<

They are giving him an honorary degree?

I didn’t really understand not letting the President speak because he disagrees with one of the church’s principles (for example Presidents Reagan, Bsuh41 and Bush43 disagreed with the church on the death penalty)....

But they sure don’t need to give him an honorary degree - that’s basically an endorsement.


2 posted on 05/08/2009 9:41:39 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: TaxachusettsMan
Apostolic Signatura-Had to look it up

And people think math is hard...

3 posted on 05/08/2009 9:47:43 AM PDT by ex91B10
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To: gondramB

The honorary degree IS the issue here.


4 posted on 05/08/2009 9:47:46 AM PDT by Ikemeister
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To: gondramB
They are giving him an honorary degree?

That has been at the heart of the scandal. The speaking part has been secondary.

5 posted on 05/08/2009 9:49:21 AM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan (Sarah Palin "The Iron Lady of the North")
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To: TaxachusettsMan

I didn’t need another reason to hate Notre Dame, but I have it...


6 posted on 05/08/2009 9:51:54 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If global warming didn't exist, Al Gore would have had to invent it.)
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To: TaxachusettsMan
Didn't the Good Archbishop hear that 67% of his flock approve of Obama's job performance in a recent poll?
7 posted on 05/08/2009 10:03:02 AM PDT by gitmogrunt (The stupidity of the American people never ceases to amaze me)
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To: TaxachusettsMan
Mary Ann Glendon, a conservative pro-lifer who turned down an award from the University of Notre Dame because she disagrees with the school's decision to invite President Obama to deliver this year's commencement address.
8 posted on 05/08/2009 10:06:50 AM PDT by ex91B10
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To: AbeKrieger

So, now the pro-life groups now need to “create an applicant” who spews the same views of obama and applies to attend ND. When they don’t grant them admission based on his anti-prolife position, then we call GOTCHA.

Hey republicans, it’s called hard ball and you need to start learning how to play it.


9 posted on 05/08/2009 10:14:26 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (I just can’t WAIT until the ‘60s generation is out of power and drooling in nursing homes.)
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To: gitmogrunt

Yes he did, and bemoans the fact in the course of the speech.

In the Catholic Church, unlike for example the Episcopal Church where such matters depend on a show at hands at a triennial Convention, truth is not determined by majority opinion.

In fact, often enough, when you have a majority of “the world” agreeing with you, it’s an indication that you’ve strayed from the truth.

Example: After the discourse on the Bread of Life, the majority OF DISCIPLES rejected the teaching of Christ’s presence in the Eucharist “and walked with him no more” (John 6:66). And when Pilate presented Jesus to the crowd at his Passion, the majority opted for Barabbas.

“All may / some do / none must” may be the doctrinal criterion of some denominations, but not of Roman Catholicism.


10 posted on 05/08/2009 10:16:50 AM PDT by TaxachusettsMan
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To: gondramB
(for example Presidents Reagan, Bsuh41 and Bush43 disagreed with the church on the death penalty)....

The Church teaches that the state has the right to impose the penalty of capital punishment.

You confuse Church teaching with the prudential statements, which are not Church teaching, of some members of the episcopacy.

11 posted on 05/08/2009 10:35:47 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: gondramB

Commencementspeakers are normally give honorary degrees. Exceptions occur, but the degree normally goes with the speech. That’s why it’s so easy for the Lying Media to label this a “commencement speech” occasion and obscure the real issue. Do a survey of news stories about big name commencement speakers and see how often the honorary degree part is mentioned and how prominently. It will be mentioned in many instances, but buried deep in the story, rarely in the headline or the lede.


12 posted on 05/08/2009 11:00:49 AM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Cyclone59

You mean like 75% of their football team who do not subscribe to Roman Catholic teachings? Oh, perish the thought !!!

I don’t much like liberals but hypocrites are just as bad.


13 posted on 05/08/2009 11:46:01 AM PDT by AbeKrieger (If global warming didn't exist, Al Gore would have had to invent it.)
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To: gitmogrunt

MSNBC or gallup (CNN) poll? Rasmussen poll doesn’t agree.


14 posted on 05/08/2009 11:50:12 AM PDT by chase19
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To: Houghton M.

Thank you


15 posted on 05/08/2009 11:50:23 AM PDT by gondramB
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To: AbeKrieger

oooo, very good point!


16 posted on 05/08/2009 12:17:48 PM PDT by Cyclone59 (I just can’t WAIT until the ‘60s generation is out of power and drooling in nursing homes.)
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To: TaxachusettsMan; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; ...

Catholic Ping
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17 posted on 05/08/2009 12:20:35 PM PDT by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

By chance I was watching FOX news and heard this. I’m so disgusted by all of this.


18 posted on 05/08/2009 12:25:46 PM PDT by kassie (Barry Soetoro is a wanna be rock star on the road to perdition.)
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To: gondramB
I didn’t really understand not letting the President speak because he disagrees with one of the church’s principles (for example Presidents Reagan, Bsuh41 and Bush43 disagreed with the church on the death penalty)....

There is a world of difference between the Church's teaching on the death penalty and on legalized prenatal infant slaughter.
19 posted on 05/08/2009 2:20:53 PM PDT by Antoninus (Now accepting apologies from repentant Mittens.)
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To: gitmogrunt
Ppeople who have fallen away from the evangelical or Protestant churches tend to either identify themselves as "protestant" or "unaffiliated" or something like that.

Catholics, because of a strong cultural identity, tend to identify themselves as Catholic even if they haven't been to mass since they were kids. Those people are lumped in with the practicing Catholics in order to arrive at that number. Obama's support among weekly mass attenders was much smaller.

The Church lost a lot of people during the 70's and 80's, due to the haphazard Vatican II reforms and the poor teaching of the children during those years. As a convert, I was shocked that some of the things I knew about the Church and her teachings was unknown to cradle Catholics in my own parish.

Thankfully, things are beginning to turn around, but the Barque of Peter is a large ship, which turns slowly. It will probably be another 10 years before things are really squared away. The Holy Gather is a true blessing to us, and may he live long years more and confound those who want to wreck the Church.

20 posted on 05/08/2009 2:37:41 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

Ack!

Holy Gather should read Holy Father!


21 posted on 05/08/2009 2:38:47 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple

>>Ppeople who have fallen away from the evangelical or Protestant churches tend to either identify themselves as “protestant” or “unaffiliated” or something like that.

Catholics, because of a strong cultural identity, tend to identify themselves as Catholic even if they haven’t been to mass since they were kids. Those people are lumped in with the practicing Catholics in order to arrive at that number. Obama’s support among weekly mass attenders was much smaller.<<

I was having a debate with a friend and we both started googling. We were both right.

I said the Catholic church is the fastest growing - that’s true because most immigrants are Catholic.

He said the Catholic church was the fastest declining - he had a point because their church attendance is declining most and they have more parishes closing.


22 posted on 05/08/2009 2:50:04 PM PDT by gondramB
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To: TaxachusettsMan

Ok, What is Fr Jenkins saying about all this?

There is so much uproar that he cannot miss it. Is he just ignoring it all and pretending it is not happening? Or does he release a statement occasionally, or....???


23 posted on 05/08/2009 5:34:28 PM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: TaxachusettsMan

Straight from the Vatican!

Burke didn’t have people skills, but he knows the Catholic law and Catholic reasoning.

God bless him for that!


24 posted on 05/08/2009 6:49:46 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: TaxachusettsMan

The audacity of unparalleled arrogance!


25 posted on 05/09/2009 4:28:08 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: gondramB

Well, first the Catholic Church does NOT have a doctrinal position against the death penalty. Pope John Paul II had an opinion that the death penalty was not morally beneficial in the Western world (i.e., Europe and North America), given the stability of democracy and conformity of the rule of law. However, consider:

* John Paul was speaking only as to OPINION on matters of PRUDENTIAL judgement. He emphatically rejected the notion that he was establishing doctrine, and harshly condemned any attempts to morally equivocate abortion to the death penalty, not only on the basis that abortion is tens of thousands of times more common in the West, but on the basis that abortion is certainly a grave evil, whereas the death penalty is not.

* John Paul’s statements were stated very precisely, and are thus doctrinally sound, but the more casual interpretation of them is, in fact, heresy: The Catechism of the Council of Trent, published with the authority of the ecumenical council of Trent, and written by Saint Charles Borromeo, one of only 33 Doctors of the Church, stated that the death penalty was in fact morally obligatory to rescue the souls of the aggrieved from the temptation to retribution or despairing against divine justice.

* John Paul’s statements were based on the assertion that Western democracies’ rule of law was unchallenged by criminal activity, an assertion appeared true in the 1990s when John Paul asserted it, but seems less true today.


However,... I believe Ronald Reagan was given an honorary degree. In any case, the degree Obama is being given is a law degree. This can only be taken as an endorsement of Obama’s legal notions, which are an absolute abomination to not only Christ and humanity but rational thought, itself. His law exams were literally exercises in creating rationalizations to subvert democracy and morality. (and I mean “literally” literally!) For instance, a typical question notes that the prevailing interpretation of a state constitution supports an at-face reading. A ballot initiative reaffirmed the constitution by an overwhelming majority. (meaning the majority of the constituents, the courts, the legislature, and the at-face text of the constitution all support a law.) The students’ task was to create a legal ruling to subvert the law. And no, this wasn’t like Spock’s unwinnable academy exam; they were expected to nullify democracy if they wanted to pass.

A law school giving Obama an honorary law degree is like a Tibetan monk ordaining the Chinese dictators.


26 posted on 05/09/2009 6:42:39 AM PDT by dangus
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To: TaxachusettsMan
Petition Here
27 posted on 05/09/2009 6:47:32 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis
Here
28 posted on 05/09/2009 6:48:09 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: dangus
This can only be taken as an endorsement of Obama’s legal notions, which are an absolute abomination to not only Christ and humanity but rational thought, itself.

Fr. Jenkins is showing his true colors.

29 posted on 05/09/2009 6:48:49 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: KarenMarie
Here is his statement. It looks like a revised statement. Forget the "further positive engagement." In a letter to the Cardinal Newman Society, Jenkins said, “conditions for constructive dialogue simply do not exist” rescinding any dialogue with the student group.
30 posted on 05/09/2009 6:53:39 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: Miss Marple
As a convert, I was shocked that some of the things I knew about the Church and her teachings was unknown to cradle Catholics in my own parish.

Thankfully, things are beginning to turn around, but the Barque of Peter is a large ship, which turns slowly. It will probably be another 10 years before things are really squared away. The Holy Gather is a true blessing to us, and may he live long years more and confound those who want to wreck the Church.

*********************

I was thinking to myself, goodness, she's go me there, I've never heard of the "Holy Gather". Heh. :)

31 posted on 05/09/2009 6:56:07 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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Obama White House Urges Tax-Funded Abortion-on-Demand in D.C.
32 posted on 05/09/2009 7:00:10 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis

Thank you for replying to me.

May I ask... do you know when this was released? I remember reading something that was said to have been from Fr. Jenkins that had a blatantly ‘screw you’ tone to it. That was when this issue first arose.

The statement I just read is disgusting. I think I prefer the ‘screw you’ tone over the ‘Obama is the greatest man ever. We need to count ourselves blessed that this near perfect man is coming and if you don’t agree it is because of race’ (at least that is what *I* get from that statement)

May I also ask.... Is there any chance that Fr. Jenkins will face punishment for this...perhaps removal from the school?

We signed a petition to have ND removed from the Kenedy Directory.

Thanks for your time.
:)


33 posted on 05/09/2009 11:28:02 AM PDT by KarenMarie (NEVER believe anything coming out of DC until it's been denied.)
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To: gitmogrunt

67% is not really the flock. These are nominal Catholics who claim to be ‘Catholic’, but don’t attend Mass and couldn’t tell you much about the Catholic Faith if their life depended upon it (at least nothing accurate).


34 posted on 05/17/2009 8:21:20 PM PDT by Fedele
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To: Fedele

Anyone can tell a poll taker they are Catholic. Anyone. It is not like proof is demanded. And anyone who wants to skew a poll can lie. These polls mean absolutely nothing.


35 posted on 05/17/2009 10:08:50 PM PDT by An American In Dairyland
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To: Fedele
67% is not really the flock. These are nominal Catholics who claim to be ‘Catholic’, but don’t attend Mass and couldn’t tell you much about the Catholic Faith if their life depended upon it (at least nothing accurate).

Exactly. They are lost sheep evading the shepherd.
36 posted on 05/18/2009 8:06:21 AM PDT by bdeaner (The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor. 10:16))
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