Jesus In A Cheeto? Religious Sightings

MIRACLE OF THE SUN

The Miracle of the Sun (Portuguese: O Milagre do Sol) is an alleged miraculous event witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular newspapers had been ridiculing for months as the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going to occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. [1]

According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky.[2] It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[2] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[2] frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world.[3] Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry."[4]

Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século,[5] to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra,[6] both of whom were present that day.[7]

The miracle was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to three young shepherd children in 1917, as having been predicted by the three children on 13 July,[8] 19 August,[9] and 13 September[10] 1917. The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them[11] and provide a miracle "so that all may believe."[12]

According to these reports, the miracle of the sun lasted approximately ten minutes.[13] The three children also reported seeing a panorama of visions, including those of Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and of Saint Joseph blessing the people.[14]

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The Church does not require believers to have faith in such miracles -- only certain miracles, such as the Resurrection of Our Lord and other Scriptural miracles.

But for many these miracles are compelling evidence for the reality of the supernatural world, especially considering that to be designated officially a miracle, an event has to be scrutinized by the Church for a long time. Empirical evidence, including the ruling out of plausible alternative explanations, is absolutely essential. And there is also a need to rule out the possibility that the event could be demonic in nature. So, for many, this is a powerful testimony to God's power. I think it's healthy to be skeptical about these things, and so does the Church. But the incorruptibles are one group of miracles that I have a hard time debunking. The miracle of the sun (see earlier post) is another hard one to debunk -- a very convincing, and very well-documented "miracle."

As for the Church's view of these miracles: For the Church to canonize a person as a Saint, it is necessary that there is irrefutable evidence -- or at least extremely compelling evidence -- of three miracles post-death, which the Church sees as a sign of God that the person was/is a Saint. Incorruptibility of the person's body -- when all other plausible explanations are ruled out -- would be considered one "miracle." There would need to be other, documented miracles in addition to that -- say, people who were healed of an incurable, terminal illness after praying for the candidate, etc.

There is an interesting book on this stuff written by a secular journalist, called THE MIRACLE DETECTIVE. I read it a few years ago, and found it to be fascinating and extremely well-written. If you find any of this even remotely of interest, I highly recommend the book -- it's just a really well-written book, and very entertaining. That's a big reason I got into this stuff, because I was caught up in that book. I never took any claims of miracles seriously until I read that book, but the book made me realize how many claims of miracles are rejected by the Church all the time. I realized it is very, very difficult for any event to get designated a miracle by the Church -- in fact, it's quite rare indeed, even among examples that are highly favored by the laity, such as the Medjugorie apparitions, which are not (yet) accepted by the Church.

oh I believe in miracles...I’m a living one...left here to complete my destiny as he sees fit...and I’m boy howdy grateful

thnks for sharing on a topic which I am admittedly ignorant..

THE EUCHARISTIC MIRACLE OF LANCIANO

Ancient Anxanum, the city of the Frentanese, has contained for over twelve centuries the first and greatest Eucharistic Miracle of the Catholic Church. This wondrous Event took place in the 8th century A.D. in the little Church of St. Legontian, as a divine response to a Basilian monk's doubt about Jesus' Real Presence in the Eucharist.

During Holy Mass, after the two-fold consecration, the host was changed into live Flesh and the wine was changed into live Blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size.

The Host-Flesh, as can be very distinctly observed today, has the same dimensions as the large host used today in the Latin church; it is light brown and appears rose-colored when lighted from the back.

The Blood is coagulated and has an earthy color resembling the yellow of ochre.

Various ecclesiastical investigation ("Recognitions") were conducted since 1574.

In 1970-'71 and taken up again partly in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs. These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.

The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

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My pleasure to share the info! God bless, and Praise the Lord for Miracles! They happen all the time, even we only have the eyes to see ‘em.

FYI, this page has a lot of great information on the Catholic perspective on miracles, many written by Fr. John Hardon, who is one of the leading scholars of the Catholic Church:

http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/a3.html

These documents are probably more accurate than any info I can give you.

Read about the MIRACLE OF SAN GENNARO.

And my point is it’s the idiots that are the source of the problem, and yes you CAN educate people away from idiocy. Especially this particular brand of idiocy which is in clear violation of the Second Commandment (or possibly the last part of the First depending on your denomination). The churches need to start educating their people to NOT worship the Cheetoes, the sandwiches, the water stains, and what have you. Teach the people that if they see Jesus’ face in a cookie, it’s a cookie, not Jesus, eat it, don’t take a picture of it, don’t make a shrine out of it, just eat the damn thing.

God performs the miracles as a sign of a Saint's holiness. The Saints do not themselves perform miracles.

There is no such thing as a rapture. That concept is based on an improper reading of the Scriptures in Revelations.

You take a teaching which is clearly scriptural and claim it's not true and then in the same breath you make a claim about a sign of a saint's holiness which is a man-made, fabricated fallacy not based anywhere in scripture; in fact, denied in scripture, to advance your religion while implying it's actually biblical...

You ought to be ashamed of yourself...

According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky.[2] It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds.[2] The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern,[2] frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world.[3] Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became "suddenly and completely dry."[4]

You have just described a modern day sighting of a UFO...

You have just described a modern day sighting of a UFO...

I don't think there has ever been a UFO sighting with over 30,000 witnesses. Also, in this case, it was not so much an "Unidentified Flying Object," it was the sun itself that was the "flying object," according to reports.

You take a teaching which is clearly scriptural and claim it's not true and then in the same breath you make a claim about a sign of a saint's holiness which is a man-made, fabricated fallacy not based anywhere in scripture; in fact, denied in scripture, to advance your religion while implying it's actually biblical...

The rapture as it is taught by most Protestants is not an accurate interpretation of Scripture, in my opinion. The Church does not have an official teaching on the "rapture," but it rejects certain teachings on the rapture as unequivocably false. The Church has the authority to reject those interpretations since the Church is the institution that canonized the Bible in the first place. Nevertheless there are certain interpretations of "rapture" that the Church has not rejected.

Yes, I know -- you don't agree. But as far as I am concerned, you are a heretic. So why should I listen to your anti-Catholic, Bibically unsound rants? I don't seem to see a reason.

Also, I assume you conform to what is called the Apostle's Creed, which even the Protestants hold to be true and which clearly espouses belief in the "communion of saints." Obviously the Catholic teaching on the Saints is completely Scriptural. I'm sorry you do not have the Fullness of Truth in the Catholic Church's Deposit of Faith. I can understand why you are so bitter. I will pray for you.

You ought to be ashamed of yourself...

I would only be ashamed if I fell for your errors. I am keeping you in my prayers and praying for your conversation to the Truth. I look forward to welcoming you Home when you discover the Truth.

PRAYER FOR THE CONVERSION OF SINNERS

Dear Lord, I pray for the Conversion of Sinners
for all of us who require daily conversion
for those who are dearest to me, my family and friends
for those not following You, but themselves
for those inside and out of Your church, ignorant of Your truths
for those who are falling away from Your truths,
for all who are considering or following a false religion
for those trying to earn their way to Heaven
for the ones who do not even consider You

Please Lord, convert their minds and hearts, to truly
know You, love You and always be obedient to Your Word,
and then bring them home to live with You for all Eternity.

Amen

Teach the people that if they see Jesus’ face in a cookie, it’s a cookie, not Jesus, eat it, don’t take a picture of it, don’t make a shrine out of it, just eat the damn thing.

LOL!

I don't think there has ever been a UFO sighting with over 30,000 witnesses. Also, in this case, it was not so much an "Unidentified Flying Object," it was the sun itself that was the "flying object," according to reports.

You have described a modern UFO...These people likely had never even see a plane let alone a UFO...

Of course they would think or be talked into believing it was the Sun...What else is bright and sits in the sky during the day...

The rapture as it is taught by most Protestants is not an accurate interpretation of Scripture, in my opinion.

Interpret it into what??? Why would someone have to 'interpret' the rapture scripture when it's written in plain speech???

All you have to do is believe it, or don't...Your church doesn't interpret the rapture scripture...It changes the scripture to make it say something it doesn't...

The Church has the authority to reject those interpretations since the Church is the institution that canonized the Bible in the first place.

Sorry, but God did not wait 400 years for His children to know what He wanted them to know...

Psa 119:103 How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
Psa 119:104 Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psa 119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

So you're saying God didn't give any LIGHT to Christians for 400 year, til your crew came along...Nonsense...

Nevertheless there are certain interpretations of "rapture" that the Church has not rejected.

And there are many interpretations put out by your religion that Jesus has rejected...

Obviously the Catholic teaching on the Saints is completely Scriptural.

It can be obvious ONLY if you have some scriptural proof...And you have none...So it's not true that your 'Saints' are a sign from God...It's deception...

Also, I assume you conform to what is called the Apostle's Creed, which even the Protestants hold to be true and which clearly espouses belief in the "communion of saints."

I believe in the communion of the saints...I believe in the universal church...I don't need to recite it every Sunday to keep myself convinced...

I'm sorry you do not have the Fullness of Truth in the Catholic Church's Deposit of Faith.

The Fullness of the Truth isn't in the Catholic church...That can be seen by your church's refusal to believe what God says in the scripture...

You have described a modern UFO...

The Fatima visionaries PREDICTED the miracle in advance, to the date. When has that happened in the case of a modern UFO with over 30,000 witnesses that has been documented in the presses?

And do you mean to say you believe in the existence of a UFO but not miracles that are supernatural? Have you actually read the Bible? There are miracles in there, you know.

Interpret it into what??? Why would someone have to 'interpret' the rapture scripture when it's written in plain speech???

All you have to do is believe it, or don't...Your church doesn't interpret the rapture scripture...It changes the scripture to make it say something it doesn't...

You Protestants can't even agree on what you mean by "rapture," so come on, quit it with all the drama.

Protestants disagree on when the rapture will occur. Will it be pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, or post-tribulation?You heretics can't seem to find any consensus, can you?

When a bunch of heretics take a concept, "rapture," and have three completely contradictory meanings, that's what a sensible person calls "interpertation." Since you don't have any authority outside of the Bible to turn to, you all go off in your splinter groups, believing you can teach yourselves without the teaching authority of the Church. And what you get is a lot of inconsistent, heretical hogwash. How many Protestants sects are there now? Has to be thousands. Christ wanted a united Church -- not a bunch of heretics going around interpreting Scripture as they please, because they don't want to answer to anybody but themselves. This way leads only to chaos.

Now about the "Rapture." It comes from 1 Thessalonians 4:17, "then we who are alive, who are left, shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord."

The Latin means "caught up."

This does not mean that the saved are "raptured" into heaven, while the unsaved are left behind to fend for themselves on earth. The rapture will not be the mysterious disappearance of people, who leave their clothes here on earth, so that the fools left behind are in a quandary as to what happened. That's not Biblical.

Why? Well, pick up your Bible, and take a look at Revelation 1:7. "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."

It won't be like the Left Behind series, because in that book, no eye sees Jesus. Everyone left behind is clueless as to what is going on. It's plain that if they had seen Jesus, they would know what was going on.

In addition, there are not two "second comings" of Jesus. The Bible speaks of one and only one coming of Jesus Christ, not two. In 1 Thessalonians 4:15, it says the following:

"For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until THE COMING OF THE LORD, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep."

Take a close look, and you will see that St. Paul says "THE coming," not "A Coming." There is one and only one second coming of Jesus. And nowhere in the Bible does it say that people will mysteriously disappear and leave their clothes behind. That is all made up fiction.

Moreoever, the saved will not escape tribulation on earth by being raptured -- that is not Biblical. See Matthew 24:21-22:

"For then THERE WILL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. And if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; BUT FOR THE SAKE OF THE ELECT THOSE DAYS WILL BE SHORTENED."

You can see quite clearly in the above verses, Jesus tells us about the great tribulation, and also explains that the days of this misery on earth will be shortened for the sake of the elect. That means that the elect, or God's people, still have to be on earth when the tribulation occurs, and not yet raptured into heaven.

You following this? You see, I'm using the Bible that you claim is the sole authority. And you're wrong. Ok?

But if that is not enough, a lot of Protestants think the people raptured sans clothes are not raptured on the last day of the earth. They think, after the rapture, there will be more days left for the antichrist to wreak havoc on the earth. Well, that's not Biblical either. We know from John 6:54 that the dead will be raised on the last day:

"he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I WILL RAISE HIM UP AT THE LAST DAY."

And we also know from Paul that the rapture will take place after the dead are raised. 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17:

"For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. AND THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST; THEN WE WHO ARE ALIVE, WHO ARE LEFT, SHALL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord."

And what of the thousand year reign of Christ on earth? It is mentioned in Revelation 20:4:

"Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom judgment was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony to Jesus and for the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life, AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS."

Well, we know from the pen of Peter that a thousand years is as a day to the Lord, and a day is like a thousand years (2 Peter 3:1). St. John may have been trying to convey that Christ will reign for a very long time (eternity) by using the phrase "a thousand years," just like we might say, "I told you a thousand times," when we may have only told someone 4 or 5 times.

And what about the very premise of being left behind after the rapture? The Bible says in Matthew 24:37-41:

"As were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they did not know until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of man. THEN TWO MEN WILL BE IN THE FIELD; ONE IS TAKEN AND ONE IS LEFT. TWO WOMEN WILL BE GRINDING AT THE MILL; ONE IS TAKEN AND ONE IS LEFT."

In the days of Noah, the saved were left behind on earth, Noah and his family. The unsaved were taken from this earth, and presumably didn't make it to heaven. Therefore, if the end of the world is similar to those days, as the Bible says, being left behind may mean that you will still be here on earth to be raptured later on. The ones taken may be like the flood victims in Noah's time, and die.

Another big Protestant assumption is that the saved will rise up to meet Jesus in the clouds, and then they and Jesus return to heaven to await tribulation and the final judgment. But that isn't Biblical either. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that Jesus will do a U-turn back into heaven at the rapture. Rather, the Bible says that Jesus and His Kingdowm will descend to earth and become the new kingdom (Revelation 11:15 and Revelation 21:2). And the Bible also says that we will be judged on that day, the last day, in John 12:48:

"He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; THE WORD THAT I HAVE SPOKEN WILL BE HIS JUDGE ON THE LAST DAY."

So, you Protestants have it all wrong on the "rapture," and can't seem to get yourselves together on a matter that Sola Scriptura would suggest should be clear and obvious. But you have no authority but yourselves, and so you fall into heresy and error. So, I will pray for you and your conversion. God bless.

It can be obvious ONLY if you have some scriptural proof...And you have none...So it's not true that your 'Saints' are a sign from God...It's deception...

You do not have any authority to instruct the Church in what the Bible says. There would be no Bible, no canon, without the Church. Face it.

But even if we argue on your terms (Sola Scriptura), of course the reality of sainthood is completely Scriptural.

First, we are one family in Christ in Heaven and on Earth. See Ephesians 3:14-15. We are all one family ("Catholic") in heaven and on earth, united together, as children of the father, through Jesus Christ. Our brothers and sisters who have gone to heaven before us are not a different family. We are one and the same family. This is why, in the Apostles Creed, we profess a belief in the "communion of saints." There cannot be a "communion" if there is no union. Loving beings, whether on earth or in heaven, are concerned for other beings, and this concern is reflected spiritually through prayers for one another.

Eph. 1:22-23; 5:23-32; Col. 1:18,24 - this family is in Jesus Christ, the head of the body, which is the Church.

1 Cor. 12:12,27; Rom. 12:5; Col. 3:15; Eph. 4:4 - we are the members of the one body of Christ, supernaturally linked together by our partaking of the Eucharist.

Rom. 8:35-39 - therefore, death does not separate the family of God and the love of Christ. We are still united with each other, even beyond death.

Matt. 17:3; Mark 9:4; Luke 9:30 - Jesus converses with "deceased" Moses and Elijah. They are more alive than the saints on earth.

Matt. 22:32; Mark 12:27; Luke 20:38 - God is the God of the living not the dead. The living on earth and in heaven are one family.

Luke 15:7,10 – if the angels and saints experience joy in heaven over our repentance, then they are still connected to us and are aware of our behavior.

John 15:1-6 - Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. The good branches are not cut off at death. They are alive in heaven.

1 Cor. 4:9 – because we can become a spectacle not only to men, but to angels as well, this indicates that angels are aware of our earthly activity. Those in heaven are connected to those on earth.

1 Cor. 12:26 - when one member suffers, all suffer. When one is honored, all rejoice. We are in this together as one family.

1 Cor 13:12; 1 John 3:2 - now we see in a mirror dimly, but in heaven we see face to face. The saints are more alive than we are!

Heb. 12:1: we are surrounded by a great glory cloud (shekinah) of witnesses. The “cloud of witnesses” refers to the saints who are not only watching us from above but cheering us on in our race to heaven.

1 Peter 2:9; Rev. 20:6 - we are a royal family of priests by virtue of baptism. We as priests intercede on behalf of each other.

2 Peter 1:4 - since God is the eternal family and we are His children, we are partakers of His divine nature as a united family.

1 Cor. 1:2; Rom. 1:7 - we are called to be saints. Saints refer to both those on earth and in heaven who are in Christ. Proof:

Acts 9:13,32,41; 26:10; 1 Cor. 6:1-2; 14:33; 2 Cor. 1:1; 8:4; 9:1-2; 13:13; Rom. 8:27; 12:23; 15:25,26, 31; 16:2,15; Eph. 1:1,15,18; 3:8; 5:3; 6:18; Phil. 1:1; 4:22; Col 1:2,4,26; 1 Tm 5:10; Philemon 1:5,7; Heb. 6:10; 13:24; Jude 1:3; Rev. 11:18; 13:7; 14:12; 16:6; 17:6;18:20,24; Rev 19:8; 20:9 - in these verses, we see that Christians still living on earth are called "saints."

Matt. 27:52; Eph. 2:19; 3:18; Col. 1:12; 2 Thess. 1:10; Rev. 5:8; 8:3-4; 11:18; 13:10 - in these verses, we also see that "saints" also refer to those in heaven who united with us.

Dan. 4:13,23; 8:23 – we also see that the angels in heaven are also called “saints.” The same Hebrew word “qaddiysh” (holy one) is applied to both humans and angels in heaven. Hence, there are angel saints in heaven and human saints in heaven and on earth. Loving beings (whether angels or saints) are concerned for other beings, and prayer is the spiritual way of expressing that love.

Catholic doctrine on the Saints is completely Biblical. Of course. Why would the Church canonize Scripture that contradicted its teachings? Wouldn't make much sense, would it?

Don't ever post to me again with your dribble. I noticed in another post you called a believer, a heretic. I'm warning you - don't you try it with me.

God's Word is true and we look to the Bible for the Truth. The Holy Spirit is the Teacher. Your posts are so far off based. I could tear it apart using God's Word but I'll leave it in the Hands of God instead.

i?Now about the "Rapture." It comes from 1 Thessalonians 4:17, "then we who are alive, who are left, shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord."

This does not mean that the saved are "raptured" into heaven, while the unsaved are left behind to fend for themselves on earth. The rapture will not be the mysterious disappearance of people, who leave their clothes here on earth, so that the fools left behind are in a quandary as to what happened. That's not Biblical.

1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

Jesus says don't be sorry for the already dead that they may all be without hope...

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Those that died 'In Jesus'...

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

The dead in Christ...Dead Christians...Got that??? Only Christians...Believe it???

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

We Christians will be caught up in the clouds with the bodies of the dead Christians...No dead heathen bodies...

So what happens to the dead AND live heathen, unsaved people??? They don't go anywhere...

Nobody sees Jesus...The live Christians are called UP to join with the dead Christians who were just raised and then, to meet the Lord...

Why? Well, pick up your Bible, and take a look at Revelation 1:7. "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM, every one who pierced him; and all tribes of the earth will wail on account of him. Even so. Amen."

Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Everyone sees Jesus...Everyone will wail...

Hardly the same event as the rapture...No matter how much you and your church twist the scripture...Sound like a bunch of happy Christians to you???...

Anyone can post a bunch of scripture and run it all together and make such a mess of it you have to change words here and there to get it to be coherent, like your church does...

Well, we know from the pen of Peter that a thousand years is as a day to the Lord, and a day is like a thousand years (2 Peter 3:1). St. John may have been trying to convey that Christ will reign for a very long time (eternity) by using the phrase "a thousand years," just like we might say, "I told you a thousand times," when we may have only told someone 4 or 5 times.

Sure...And John may have been trying to convey that we not be hungry but we pick up a Subway Tuscan Chicken Sandwich while we are waiting...

John wasn't trying to convey anything...He told us in plain words that there would be a thousand year stretch...Know what that really means??? It means a thousand year stretch...

You won't know what God says if you refuse to believe Him...And the rest of your posted stuff here is just as brilliant...Anything except believe God...