Posted on 06/02/2009 6:46:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
When all else fails, they can always agree that Rome is the source of all evil and is always wrong. And if Rome seems right, see the preceding sentence.
Like angry children who get together occasionally only to swap stories about nasty their parents were ... stories which wander further and further from reality.
Amen to that..., no church — at all — is needed for one to have salvation in Jesus, the Messiah of Israel...
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And here’s what Romans 10:9-13 says, too, in context...
It says...
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”
12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.
13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
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Okay, people... take note of this, while I would advise going to a Bible-believing church that teaches the Word of God and believes what He says in the Bible...
also note, that *no church* is needed for Salvation. Salvation is in the Lord and not in a church...
The link is there, too..., and if someone doesn’t want to wade through it, they can go right on down... :-)
Take it or leave it, as you wish...
For me the real point here is not the validity of what we teach. It’s that this article is based on a gross and easily avoidable misconception about what we teach. The article shows no real concern for the truth.
No matter what the issue is for indulgences or purgatory, it really doesn’t matter, because they’re not applicable, at all...
What we can see from the Bible is that if we are in our body (i.e., alive) we are absent from the presence of the Lord (as He is in Heaven right now, at the right hand of God), and if we are absent from our bodies (i.e., having died, and having Salvation in Christ) — we are present with the Lord (where He is, in Heaven).
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2 Corinthians 5:1-11
1 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven,
3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked.
4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life.
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.
Well, maybe not period. If salvation, according to Catholics, depended “...solely on God’s grace in the work of Christ on the Cross.” please tell where the sacraments fit in. Seems like phrases like this are used by Catholics to blur the edges, then when pinned down, the truth of all of the need for the seven sacraments, adherence to the Vatican rule, reverence for the “Saints”, Mariolatry, etc.
There is a lot of baggage attached to the phrase you used.
“This article is an embarrassment to the writer.”
And it should be an embarrassment to the person who posted it.
So much of what anti-Catholic bigots hate about the Catholic Church isn’t even Catholic, but rather a strawman caricature of Catholicism.
‘The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’ —Ronald Reagan
That's about it.
I think indulgences make perfect sense.
Just not for Christians.
Let me be more blunt, then: that mass of words is like a fart in an elevator. Nobody's going to read it. We're all going to scroll past it. It's just a breach of etiquette on your part.
No such etiquette exists here...
And in addition, there’s also another good reason. I expect Free Republic links to be up a whole lot longer than other links... thus, it preserves information here, and not “links” which disappear...
Sorry, but yes it does.
Okay..., show me Jim Robinson’s statement on it...
sigh.... I’m no more going to argue about you about bad manners than I would argue about them with my kids.
You can’t find it because it doesn’t exist...
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And in case you have forgotten, we used to post many articles — full length — here on Free Republic, until some MSM decided to sue to prevent the posting of the full length article.
In addition, for those who have not minded or requested to not post the full articles, we *still do* post the full-length articles...
You sound like my middle son, who's 14. He, too, is more concerned about his own needs and wants.
He sounds like a smart and thinking boy..., more blessed than his father... :-)
>>Mariolatry<<
Any attempt to give credence to your post, ended right there.
That is a non-Catholic perception of what Catholics do. You have no clue about what is in someone’s heart or what the church teaches apparently.
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