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The Assumption of Mary
Christian Resources ^ | William Webster

Posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:31 AM PDT by AnalogReigns

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Well researched. Proves NOT A WORD about the supposed assumption of Mary amidst the Church Fathers (before AD 450). A 5th C. heresy made dogma....

Not an ecumenical thread boys...so have at it!

1 posted on 08/17/2009 9:10:32 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

Just another heresy by the RC church. Nothing new.


2 posted on 08/17/2009 9:15:30 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: AnalogReigns

I guess you did not read the Holy Tradition handed down from one person to another on the other thread.

Your source here is non-Catholic, hence it has no bearing in my opinion.


3 posted on 08/17/2009 9:18:22 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: AnalogReigns

"Never apologize for the Blessed Virgin Mary!"

~~Mother Angelica


4 posted on 08/17/2009 9:19:13 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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Oh well, just the invincibly ignorant here.

Don’t let historicly provable facts get in the way of non-Christian faith...


5 posted on 08/17/2009 9:22:02 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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The Mass for the Feast of the Assumption is one of my favorites.

O Mary Conceived Without Sin, Pray For Us Who Have Recourse to Thee.


6 posted on 08/17/2009 9:22:43 AM PDT by frogjerk (tagline pulled for verification)
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To: AnalogReigns
The Catholic doctrine of the Assumption is directly related as a matter of rational logic to its doctrine of the Immaculate Conception.

If Mary was conceived without original sin, then she would have borne no stain of sin from the time of her conception and would therefore have not been subject to any characteristics of the fallen nature of the human race since the fall of Adam and Eve. One of the consequences of the fall of Adam and Eve was that humans by their very nature would be subject to physical/bodily death and the natural decay of their physical forms over time.

If Mary was conceived without original sin, then by her very nature she would not have been subject to these consequences related to a natural physical/bodily death.

If you want to contest the Catholic doctrine of the Assumption, then by definition you must question the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception. Which means she could not have died a "natural" human death as anyone else would.

And if the Immaculate Conception was not a true, historical fact, then I'm not sure you can even say with any definitive authority that Jesus Christ was Divine.

7 posted on 08/17/2009 9:24:01 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (God is great, beer is good . . . and people are crazy.)
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Thanks EVER so much for posting information about my church from people who totally reject it. So informative.


8 posted on 08/17/2009 9:25:43 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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To: AnalogReigns
which in maintaining the true doctrine of the Incarnation incidentally gave strong impulse to what became the worship of Mary.

The article isn't 'well researched' if it believes that the Catholic Church worships Mary.

9 posted on 08/17/2009 9:28:47 AM PDT by agere_contra
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...to what became the worship of Mary.

William Webster is either ignorant of Catholic teaching or lying about it.

10 posted on 08/17/2009 9:31:19 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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“And if the Immaculate Conception was not a true, historical fact, then I’m not sure you can even say with any definitive authority that Jesus Christ was Divine.”

Why? There is no scriptural basis for the Immaculate Conception (”In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary “in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin”).


11 posted on 08/17/2009 9:31:48 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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This is truly an amazing dogma, yet there is no Scriptural proof for it...

The same can be said, with the additional sting of irony, about the man-made dogma known as sola Scriptura.

12 posted on 08/17/2009 9:32:49 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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...non-Christian faith...

What? Catholicism?

13 posted on 08/17/2009 9:33:39 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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And if the Immaculate Conception was not a true, historical fact, then I'm not sure you can even say with any definitive authority that Jesus Christ was Divine.

Utter nonsense. Mary was ancillary to the advent of Christ. She was not born without original sin. NOTHING in the scripture points to contrary.

To claim all of the trappings of the Immaculate Conception is to deny why Christ came in the first place. If ONE person can claim that they are without sin, then He died on the cross for NOTHING!

Paul states, unequivocally, that ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God (Romans 3:23).

Christ alone was without original sin because He was not conceived of through mans will, but of God's will!

To claim that those who disagree with IC would deny Christ His divinity is intellectually dishonest and, IMHO, blasphemy.

14 posted on 08/17/2009 9:34:27 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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To: Judith Anne

LOL!!!!!

Truth be told. I have to look at it as my bit of comedy for the day.

Worship Mary!!!!! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
Oh yeah baby, these people sure know what they are talking about.

I almost snorted Diet Coke up my nose.

Geez oh pete, with Obama in the Whitehouse, don’t we have better things to do?


15 posted on 08/17/2009 9:35:30 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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If ONE person can claim that they are without sin, then He died on the cross for NOTHING!

You simply know very little or nothing of the teaching of Immaculate Conception.

16 posted on 08/17/2009 9:35:45 AM PDT by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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>>of non-Christian faith...<<

Muslim?


17 posted on 08/17/2009 9:37:02 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: AnalogReigns
Excellent in depth study in the area of Mariology. Reliance on spurious text was forbidden by the early church in that it did not align with the recognized Word of God and was not inspired by God, but by another source. Paul warned about this in the following text:

2 Timothy 4:3-4 "for the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned to fables."

There needs to be more exposition in this area. It would be nice to see articles refuting preistly celibacy and prayer to the dead (necromancy).
18 posted on 08/17/2009 9:39:40 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (?)
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It is rather an odd piece of writing. imho of course.
19 posted on 08/17/2009 9:40:37 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Drill here! Drill NOW! Defund the EPA!)
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You simply know very little or nothing of the teaching of Immaculate Conception.

As someone who went through the Ordination ceremony for priesthood, I would disagree.

Mary knew quite well that she was in need of a Savior. Only a person, lost to sin, would have this awareness. Mary was a sinner, saved by Grace. She was not born sinless, did not lead a sinless life, was not a perpetual virgin, was not assumed into Heaven before death. Show me ANYWHERE in scripture where these claims are validated!

20 posted on 08/17/2009 9:41:47 AM PDT by rjsimmon (1-20-2013 The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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