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Baptist, Brethren, Lutheran, Methodist Churches Ask Senate for Abortion Funds
Life News ^ | 10/2/09 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 10/02/2009 4:46:22 PM PDT by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A coalition of mainline Protestant churches have authored a letter to members of Congress asking them to make certain the health care bills they are considering contain taxpayer funding for abortions. The letter comes from a group of churches that have long advocated the pro-abortion position.

Under the umbrella of the Religious Institute, the church denominations and more than 1,100 pastors and church staff from the denominations endorsed the letter.

The letter calls abortion a “morally justifiable decision” and opposed any amendments to the House and Senate bills, which current contain massive abortion funding, to strike that taxpayer-financing.

“Already, federal policy unfairly prevents low-income women and federal employees from receiving subsidized [abortions]," Rev. Debra W. Haffner, executive director of the Religious Institute complained.

The letter added that she doesn't want more abortion funding bans in place and complained that additional "restrictions" on abortion funding constitute a "serious moral injustice.”

The denominations endorsing the letter include the American Baptist Churches, Church of the Brethren, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), United Church of Christ, and the United Methodist Church, and others.

"We affirm women as moral agents who have the capacity, right and responsibility to make the decision as to whether or not abortion is justified in their specific circumstances," the letter says.

The Jewish Reconstructionist Federation, Unitarian Universalist Association, and United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism also endorsed the pro-abortion letter.

The Religious Institute claims to represent 4,800 clergy and 40 Christian denominations.

Some of the signers to the letter include: Fr. Dr. Luis Barrios, Chair of Latin American and Latina/o Studies, John Jay College of Criminal Justice - CUNY; Rabbi Dan Ehrenkrantz, President, Reconstructionist Rabbinical College; Rev. Dr. Yvette Flunder, Bishop, The Fellowship; The Rev. Dr. Paula Gravelle, Chair, Clergy Action Board; and Rev. Dr. Larry Greenfield, Executive Minister, American Baptist Churches of Metro Chicago.

They also include Rabbi Peter Knobel, Former President, Central Conference of American Rabbis; Rev. Dr. Pamela Lightsey, Dean, Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary; Rev. Michael Livingston, Executive Director, International Council of Community Churches; Rev. Dr. Deborah Mullen, Director, Center for African American Ministry and Black Church Studies, McCormick Theological Seminary; Dr. Sylvia Rhue, Interim Executive Director, National Black Justice Coalition; and Rev. Dr. William Stayton, Professor of Sexuality and Religion, Morehouse School of Medicine


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykillers; baptist; churchesofdeath; deathculture; elca; enemiesofgod; evangelical; fauxchristians; gaychurches; merchantsofdeath; millstone; molech; moloch; moralabsolutes; prolife; umc; unbelievable; wolvesamongsheep
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To: marron

They’re American Baptists, not independent Baptists or fundamental Baptists. They’re the liberal branch. Our church was part of the American Baptist Association of this area before our pastor came. We are now non-denominational. When we made the change, we grew so fast we had to put on two additions!


51 posted on 10/03/2009 2:31:34 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: Upbeat

Thank you, Upbeat. There are MANY reformers who have not given themselves to apostasy.


52 posted on 10/03/2009 2:35:10 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: MarkBsnr

The misguided hierarchy of these denominations doesn’t necessarily represent the membership of many of these churches. There are conservative practicing and believing Christians in each of these denominations. Shame on the leadership which is unworthy of the name Christ. I’m thinking of the National Council of Churches as well. In the last election, while there was some erosion among my fellow Evangelicals, I believe the majority still voted against Obama as did nearly half of your fellow Catholics. We need to pray hard for each of these groups. If we don’t stand together on that with which we agree we will fail.


53 posted on 10/03/2009 2:46:57 PM PDT by Upbeat
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To: Albion Wilde; Alex Murphy

I think God is telling me to fast and pray.


54 posted on 10/03/2009 3:08:58 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: Upbeat

***The misguided hierarchy of these denominations doesn’t necessarily represent the membership of many of these churches. There are conservative practicing and believing Christians in each of these denominations. ***

Then they must DO something about it. It is not enough for good Christians to loll back and allow their sects to be hijacked or diverted.

***Shame on the leadership which is unworthy of the name Christ.***

Shame is not enough. Planned Parenthood is very strong, for instance, much stronger than many Christian groups.

***In the last election, while there was some erosion among my fellow Evangelicals, I believe the majority still voted against Obama as did nearly half of your fellow Catholics. We need to pray hard for each of these groups. If we don’t stand together on that with which we agree we will fail.***

Agreed. Legal Catholic voters voted in a majority against Obama. Unfortunately, the illegals, still mostly Catholic, have been mesmerized and lied to by the Democrats to the point where they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Same goes for illegal Chinese and Africans.

I live not too far from Chicago, where the voters are instructed to vote early and vote often...


55 posted on 10/03/2009 3:25:47 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Many have already done something. They have voted with their feet. Soon their leaders will notice that they are marching in a parade with no one following them. Planned Parenthood may be strong but they don’t have a prayer. We do.


56 posted on 10/03/2009 3:41:06 PM PDT by Upbeat
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To: Albion Wilde

The “Brethren” one really hurts. They, the Quakers, and the Mennos are called the “historic peace churches,” lots of them are pacifists. But the Quakers officially endorsed abortion decades ago, long before Roe; the Brethren (or at least their leaders) have capitulated. Does that leave Mennonites as the only “peace church” that doesn’t officially insist on the right to kill little babies?


57 posted on 10/03/2009 4:15:59 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: wagglebee

And they wonder why people are leaving the church. This is the reason.


58 posted on 10/03/2009 4:23:11 PM PDT by bmwcyle (We need more Joe Wilson's. OBAMA is ACORN ACORN is OBAMA)
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To: MarkBsnr

Hey Mark, I know stories like this can be disheartening. This is real 10,000 BC witchcult stuff. But these folks aren’t the real Protestants, who are Christians. They are wackaddoo losers who are trying to bring back paganistic ritual sacrifice from the dawn of prehistory and soil the names of good Christian organizations.

Freegards


59 posted on 10/03/2009 4:23:57 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Upbeat

***Many have already done something. They have voted with their feet. Soon their leaders will notice that they are marching in a parade with no one following them. Planned Parenthood may be strong but they don’t have a prayer. We do.***

I fear that those who have voted with their feet have gone to the megachurches; the Joel Osteens and the Rick Warrens of the theological world. I’m not certain that prayer will have any effect upon that bunch. I do not believe in their Christianity and I do not believe that they follow Christ.


60 posted on 10/03/2009 5:22:31 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wagglebee; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

61 posted on 10/03/2009 5:23:37 PM PDT by narses ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own.")
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To: Ransomed

***Hey Mark, I know stories like this can be disheartening. This is real 10,000 BC witchcult stuff. But these folks aren’t the real Protestants, who are Christians. ***

One of the things that I admire about our Orthodox Catholics is that they are much more likely to rise up and cast out bishops who are heterodox. We do that reluctantly in the Latin Church. It is not done at all in the Protestant churches except on the local level which is really a popularity contest and not a theological one.

***They are wackaddoo losers who are trying to bring back paganistic ritual sacrifice from the dawn of prehistory and soil the names of good Christian organizations.***

Perhaps. I think that the drive is simply the most simple explanation of human preference, laziness, and most importantly, power.


62 posted on 10/03/2009 5:26:14 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: wagglebee

By their fruits shall ye know them.


63 posted on 10/03/2009 10:38:13 PM PDT by Antoninus (Sarah Palin -- I love her because she freaks out all the right people.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Hey man you are ‘probly a heckuva lot smarter than me when it comes to this stuff. All I’m saying is that these troggs are doing stuff that lots of Protestants are no way into, despite what the media would like for us to think.

“Perhaps. I think that the drive is simply the most simple explanation of human preference, laziness, and most importantly, power.”

Ask yourself how the devil would work. This is real old stuff come again, in my opinion.

Freegards


64 posted on 10/03/2009 10:49:09 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed Says Keep the Faith!)
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To: wagglebee

Shame on each and every one of them.


65 posted on 10/04/2009 3:44:56 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: wagglebee; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; nickcarraway; Romulus; ...
The letter calls abortion a “morally justifiable decision” and opposed any amendments to the House and Senate bills, which current contain massive abortion funding, to strike that taxpayer-financing.

Where's that in the Bible?!!

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


66 posted on 10/04/2009 4:44:16 AM PDT by NYer ( "One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone"- Benedict XVI)
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To: GeronL
These people are NOT Christians.

X2

67 posted on 10/04/2009 5:02:05 AM PDT by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Upbeat
Here is the list of "churches" that belong to the NCC. If ANY Freeper sees this list and remains in their church, they are also guilty of putting their stamp of approval on these people's request for abortion funds. GET OUT!!!

• African Methodist Episcopal Church
• The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
• Alliance of Baptists
• American Baptist Churches in the USA
• Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
• Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
• Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
• Church of the Brethren
• The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
• The Episcopal Church
• Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
• Friends United Meeting
• Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
• Hungarian Reformed Church in America
• International Council of Community Churches
• Korean Presbyterian Church in America
• Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
• Mar Thoma Church
• Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
• National Baptist Convention of America
• National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
• National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
• Orthodox Church in America
• Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
• Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
• Polish National Catholic Church of America
• Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
• Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
• Reformed Church in America
• Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
• The Swedenborgian Church
• Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
• Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
• United Church of Christ
• The United Methodist Church •

68 posted on 10/04/2009 5:07:48 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma (Al Franken--the face of the third-party voters)
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To: wagglebee

From what I know about the organizations mentioned in the article, the god they serve does. Hint: They are part of the many that, on Judgement Day Jesus will say, “Depart from me I never knew you....”

The god they serve is Satan.


69 posted on 10/04/2009 5:17:08 AM PDT by sport
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To: NYer
"Where's that in the Bible?!!

And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. - Matther 18:5

70 posted on 10/04/2009 8:06:53 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: NYer

“Where’s that in the Bible?!!”

What does that have to do with it? /sarc


71 posted on 10/04/2009 10:05:38 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: Ransomed

***Hey man you are ‘probly a heckuva lot smarter than me when it comes to this stuff. All I’m saying is that these troggs are doing stuff that lots of Protestants are no way into, despite what the media would like for us to think.***

The individuals may or may not be, but their theological leadership is in a rather public fashion.

***Ask yourself how the devil would work. This is real old stuff come again, in my opinion.***

Absolutely, satan is described as the great deceiver. If he has gotten these mainline Protestant churches to the point where they are openly asking for abortion funding, they are further towards serving satan than previously believed.


72 posted on 10/04/2009 12:39:56 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Does that leave Mennonites as the only “peace church” that doesn’t officially insist on the right to kill little babies?

It's pitiful. My many generations of Methodist forebearers are spinning in their graves.

73 posted on 10/04/2009 3:06:24 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("I apologize to hookers for having associated them with the House of Representatives.--Jim Traficant)
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To: Albion Wilde; flaglady47; oswegodeee; lightman
Martin Luther is spinning in his grave also, my dear Methodist-descended freeper friend.

In my usual disclaimer, the Missouri Synod adheres to its REAL Christ-centered Lutheran foundation and roots, while the apostate Evangelical *Lutheran* Church in America ( ELCA ) does NOT.

We stand firm with Dr. Luther and the teachings of the Holy Scripture....not the diluted, twisted and spun teachings as promulgated by liberal moles in the denomination.

"On Christ the solid rock we stand, all OTHER GROUND is shifting sand."

Leni

( *....retaining the name "Lutheran" illegitimately)

74 posted on 10/04/2009 3:35:58 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
"On Christ the solid rock we stand, all OTHER GROUND is shifting sand."

Amen! resoundingly....

75 posted on 10/04/2009 3:42:16 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("I apologize to hookers for having associated them with the House of Representatives.--Jim Traficant)
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To: wagglebee

nothing surprises me anymore. Except orthodoxy.


76 posted on 10/04/2009 3:58:49 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Isn't the Golden Mean the secret to something," I parried? "Yes," Blue replied. "Mediocrity.")
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To: MinuteGal
www.lutheransforlife.org
77 posted on 10/04/2009 4:16:09 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran (EL C S*A) Ping!

* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.

78 posted on 10/04/2009 4:17:39 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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To: wagglebee

This is the precise reason I left the UMC seven years ago.


79 posted on 10/04/2009 4:20:08 PM PDT by j_tull (I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.)
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To: MinuteGal; wagglebee
Does anyone else notice the perverse irony that most of the signatories to and supporters of this letter adhere to the Revised Common Lectionary, which had this pericope as the Holy Gospel today:

GOSPEL
• Mark 10:2-16

Some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” He answered them, “What did Moses command you?” They said, “Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her.” But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. but from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”

Then in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”

People were bringing little children to him in order that he might touch them; and the disciples spoke sternly to them. but when Jesus saw this, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the little children come to me; do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of God belongs. Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will never enter it.” And he took them up in his arms, laid his hands on them, and blessed them.

Acceptance of divorce leads to acceptance of contraception leads to acceptance of abortion, all leading to acceptance of homosexual partnering.

80 posted on 10/04/2009 4:38:12 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I remember my first involvement in Pro-life in the 1960s. Remember, this is against a backdrop of massive social tumult and abortion was just one of many issues, the war being foremost, but it was the Catholics and only the Catholics standing fast on this issue. It seemed that the conservative states were refusing to loosen abortion laws but it was based more on public policy grounds from a religious people rather than on religious doctrine.

The arguments developed and changed over time but there was a general feeling of helplessness and unavoidability as state after state adopted looser laws. That is, until it hit Louisiana. The Catholics put up a magnificent fight and stopped it cold. I can remember collecting money for the Catholics there and it was perhaps my first real contact with the Catholic Church but the money we were collecting was from Methodists, and Anabaptists and Lutherans. Pennies really but that was all anyone had.

The battle was Catholic vs. Baptists who were pushing abortion and, in this case (and Texas), the Catholics won.

We would later be undone by Roe but that was one sweet, sweet victory.

I wouldn't worry too much about the Brethern because I would imagine abortion would be virtually non-existant, even if legal.

81 posted on 10/04/2009 4:41:48 PM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: lightman

Great observation!


82 posted on 10/04/2009 4:45:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Brethern? I am shocked.

They are cousins to Mennonites and Amish and up in this area are plain clothes people with covering.


83 posted on 10/04/2009 4:55:58 PM PDT by Chickensoup (Angry about where our country is going with the current regime at the helm.)
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To: wagglebee
Rev. Dr. Pamela Lightsey, Dean, Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary;

The methodist in the list, I assume, since Garrett is a Methodist Seminary.

However, it is not possible for her to speak for the Methodist church. That can only be done by the every 4 year "General Conference."

She no more speaks for the UMC than does the president of Notre Dame speak for the Roman Catholic Church.

I wish the methodist position on life were better than rape, incest, life of the mother, but it isn't. Although that is the intent, the wording needs to be worked on to make it very clear that life of mother is what's being talked about.

84 posted on 10/04/2009 5:25:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

I agree that the wording of the article leads to the incorrect conclusion that the signers of the letter are speaking on behalf of their respective denominations.

Abortion to save the mother’s life was permitted long before Roe v. Wade and, as far as I know, Protestants and Catholics did not object to it. There are nearly 4000 abortions EACH DAY in the United States, the number of these that truly save the life of the mother are too small to even quantify and in most of these cases the baby was NEVER going to survive.


85 posted on 10/04/2009 5:36:49 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: lightman

Who were the ELCA people who signed off on this abortion (sic) of a statement?

The ELCA CWA also asked ELCA members to counter “mis-information” about obama “health” care. (The REAL mis-information comes from the White House and the Congress.) So the ELCA is for death to both babies (the unborn and those in neonatal units, suffering from genetic diseases, etc.) and seniors!!!!

The ELCA mis-leaders are laboring under a delusion of Satan. They need the Holy Spirit to heal them. They have no business whatsoever prescribing policy to anyone, whether their own members or to public officials.


86 posted on 10/04/2009 6:20:55 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: wagglebee

They have hit an all-time low. The National Council of Communist Churches continues to ride to Hell!


87 posted on 10/04/2009 6:50:33 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: Chickensoup; Mrs. Don-o; wagglebee
Here is the official position on abortion from the Church of the Brethren.    It DOES NOT support abortion.

The Church of the Brethren opposes abortion because the rejection of unborn children violates the love by which God creates and nurtures human life.
Statement on Abortion

There is one person who endorsed the letter discussed in the article who declared themself a pastor in the Church of the Brethren.

Rev. Christen Petit Miller, Church of the Brethren, Fort Wayne, IN
List of endorsers

A quick serarch and I found this person is not an active pastor of a congregation.

There is a split coming to the COB unless (what I have dubbed) 'The Ft. Wayne problem' is quickly resolved. There is a contingent from Ft. Wayne that is attempting to push a (what I believe to be a personal) gay agenda into the church. Now it appears 'The Ft. Wayne problem' has expanded to be pro-abortion. Next summer, at their annual conference, the gay agenda will either be embraced or rebuked. The COB desperately needs your prayers.

88 posted on 10/04/2009 7:05:45 PM PDT by Dissident1
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To: wagglebee
I converted to RC five years ago.

I did not leave the Methodist, they left me.

89 posted on 10/04/2009 7:07:11 PM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: MARTIAL MONK

You come from WayBack! Great! I am pleased to know you better.


90 posted on 10/05/2009 6:54:09 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Dissident1
I am glad-hearted to hear of the continued unambiguous fidelity of (most of) the Church of the Brethren.

I will certainly pray that y'all can clean up the Fr. Wayne problem. Please, if I may ask, pray that we Catholics can clean up the Notre Dame problem. And a great deal more.

Oh, and the Catechism is still Catholic.

And so is the Pope. (There's a great deal of comfort in that!)

91 posted on 10/05/2009 6:59:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Upbeat; MarkBsnr; Marysecretary
I am a Roman Catholic and I celebrate the principled stand of those Protestant denominations and pastors and people who stand in solidarity in defense of the innocent unborn. I also believe that we would all better concentrate on the 95% of religious matters on which we agree with one another rather than fighting over the 5% on which we disagree (mud-wrestling to the delight of those who believe none of the Truth). Let us share our mutual optimism by all means.

I will more easier contend with fellow Catholics in error because their errors confuse those not of the Catholic Faith. As the late Bishop Fulton Sheen used to say: If the Catholic Church were to be what its opponents contend it is, then (Bishop Sheen) would not be a member of it either.

To each of you, may God continue to bless you and yours.

92 posted on 10/05/2009 1:35:44 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: wagglebee
I received an e-mail from the ELCA's e-Advocacy Network earlier today referencing this article.

The e-mail states:
"...there has been some misleading information regarding the ELCA's advocacy regarding funding for abortions. The "Religious Institute" and its director, the Rev. Debra Haffner, claim mainline church support stronger public funding of abortions in health care legislation. Based on the Religious Institute's open letter, LifeNews.com subsequently wrote an article which inappropriately and incorrectly stated that the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America supports the letter and the coalition, when in fact we do not."

and
"The ELCA Washington Office staff are working with a group of other faith-based partners to ask for a more forthright statement from the administration and congressional leadership that health care reform will not be used to increase the opportunities for public funding for abortions."

I haven't had a chance to check the claims in this post against the ELCA's counter-claim. However, it appears LifeNews may have either misrepresented ELCA's position or gotten bad information from another organization.
93 posted on 10/05/2009 1:47:38 PM PDT by javachip (TARP - proof there is no situation so bad that government can't make it worse.)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you, BlackElk. My blessings go to you and yours as well.


94 posted on 10/05/2009 2:52:32 PM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: wagglebee; lightman
LifeNews has added this to the end of their article:

"An earlier edition of this story indicated the denominations of the clergy also signed the letter. We are happy to correct this and note that the denominations apparently did not participate, only the clergy members themselves."

It appears the "clergy" who signed this pro-abortion letter were speaking for themselves and not representing the positions of their denominations.
95 posted on 10/05/2009 5:19:07 PM PDT by javachip (TARP - proof there is no situation so bad that government can't make it worse.)
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To: javachip; lightman; SErtelt

Steven Ertelt (the editor of Life News) is a man of great integrity and a FReeper. I think it was clear to most readers that the clergy who signed did so as individuals and not on behalf of their denominations, but I’m glad he clarified it.


96 posted on 10/05/2009 5:22:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: gusopol3
likewise the “Lutherans” are not the “Missouri Synod” Lutherans.

Nor, are they the Wisconsin Synod.

97 posted on 10/05/2009 6:46:47 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: wagglebee
Here's the "girls" The Religious Institute's, "Reproductive Justice" page.

Why in the world would this bunch ever have to think about reproducing???

98 posted on 10/06/2009 7:50:07 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns

“You must purge the ugliness from among you.” And all the people said, “Amen” and “Amen”.


99 posted on 10/06/2009 7:53:12 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: wagglebee

100 posted on 10/06/2009 7:56:05 AM PDT by AnalogReigns
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