Skip to comments.Baptist, Brethren, Lutheran, Methodist Churches Ask Senate for Abortion Funds
Posted on 10/02/2009 4:46:22 PM PDT by wagglebee
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A coalition of mainline Protestant churches have authored a letter to members of Congress asking them to make certain the health care bills they are considering contain taxpayer funding for abortions. The letter comes from a group of churches that have long advocated the pro-abortion position.
Under the umbrella of the Religious Institute, the church denominations and more than 1,100 pastors and church staff from the denominations endorsed the letter.
The letter calls abortion a morally justifiable decision and opposed any amendments to the House and Senate bills, which current contain massive abortion funding, to strike that taxpayer-financing.
Already, federal policy unfairly prevents low-income women and federal employees from receiving subsidized [abortions]," Rev. Debra W. Haffner, executive director of the Religious Institute complained.
The letter added that she doesn't want more abortion funding bans in place and complained that additional "restrictions" on abortion funding constitute a "serious moral injustice.
The denominations endorsing the letter include the American Baptist Churches, Church of the Brethren, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), United Church of Christ, and the United Methodist Church, and others.
"We affirm women as moral agents who have the capacity, right and responsibility to make the decision as to whether or not abortion is justified in their specific circumstances," the letter says.
The Jewish Reconstructionist Federation, Unitarian Universalist Association, and United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism also endorsed the pro-abortion letter.
The Religious Institute claims to represent 4,800 clergy and 40 Christian denominations.
Some of the signers to the letter include: Fr. Dr. Luis Barrios, Chair of Latin American and Latina/o Studies, John Jay College of Criminal Justice - CUNY; Rabbi Dan Ehrenkrantz, President, Reconstructionist Rabbinical College; Rev. Dr. Yvette Flunder, Bishop, The Fellowship; The Rev. Dr. Paula Gravelle, Chair, Clergy Action Board; and Rev. Dr. Larry Greenfield, Executive Minister, American Baptist Churches of Metro Chicago.
They also include Rabbi Peter Knobel, Former President, Central Conference of American Rabbis; Rev. Dr. Pamela Lightsey, Dean, Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary; Rev. Michael Livingston, Executive Director, International Council of Community Churches; Rev. Dr. Deborah Mullen, Director, Center for African American Ministry and Black Church Studies, McCormick Theological Seminary; Dr. Sylvia Rhue, Interim Executive Director, National Black Justice Coalition; and Rev. Dr. William Stayton, Professor of Sexuality and Religion, Morehouse School of Medicine
They’re American Baptists, not independent Baptists or fundamental Baptists. They’re the liberal branch. Our church was part of the American Baptist Association of this area before our pastor came. We are now non-denominational. When we made the change, we grew so fast we had to put on two additions!
Thank you, Upbeat. There are MANY reformers who have not given themselves to apostasy.
The misguided hierarchy of these denominations doesn’t necessarily represent the membership of many of these churches. There are conservative practicing and believing Christians in each of these denominations. Shame on the leadership which is unworthy of the name Christ. I’m thinking of the National Council of Churches as well. In the last election, while there was some erosion among my fellow Evangelicals, I believe the majority still voted against Obama as did nearly half of your fellow Catholics. We need to pray hard for each of these groups. If we don’t stand together on that with which we agree we will fail.
I think God is telling me to fast and pray.
***The misguided hierarchy of these denominations doesnt necessarily represent the membership of many of these churches. There are conservative practicing and believing Christians in each of these denominations. ***
Then they must DO something about it. It is not enough for good Christians to loll back and allow their sects to be hijacked or diverted.
***Shame on the leadership which is unworthy of the name Christ.***
Shame is not enough. Planned Parenthood is very strong, for instance, much stronger than many Christian groups.
***In the last election, while there was some erosion among my fellow Evangelicals, I believe the majority still voted against Obama as did nearly half of your fellow Catholics. We need to pray hard for each of these groups. If we dont stand together on that with which we agree we will fail.***
Agreed. Legal Catholic voters voted in a majority against Obama. Unfortunately, the illegals, still mostly Catholic, have been mesmerized and lied to by the Democrats to the point where they voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Same goes for illegal Chinese and Africans.
I live not too far from Chicago, where the voters are instructed to vote early and vote often...
Many have already done something. They have voted with their feet. Soon their leaders will notice that they are marching in a parade with no one following them. Planned Parenthood may be strong but they don’t have a prayer. We do.
The “Brethren” one really hurts. They, the Quakers, and the Mennos are called the “historic peace churches,” lots of them are pacifists. But the Quakers officially endorsed abortion decades ago, long before Roe; the Brethren (or at least their leaders) have capitulated. Does that leave Mennonites as the only “peace church” that doesn’t officially insist on the right to kill little babies?
And they wonder why people are leaving the church. This is the reason.
Hey Mark, I know stories like this can be disheartening. This is real 10,000 BC witchcult stuff. But these folks aren’t the real Protestants, who are Christians. They are wackaddoo losers who are trying to bring back paganistic ritual sacrifice from the dawn of prehistory and soil the names of good Christian organizations.
***Many have already done something. They have voted with their feet. Soon their leaders will notice that they are marching in a parade with no one following them. Planned Parenthood may be strong but they dont have a prayer. We do.***
I fear that those who have voted with their feet have gone to the megachurches; the Joel Osteens and the Rick Warrens of the theological world. I’m not certain that prayer will have any effect upon that bunch. I do not believe in their Christianity and I do not believe that they follow Christ.
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Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment
***Hey Mark, I know stories like this can be disheartening. This is real 10,000 BC witchcult stuff. But these folks arent the real Protestants, who are Christians. ***
One of the things that I admire about our Orthodox Catholics is that they are much more likely to rise up and cast out bishops who are heterodox. We do that reluctantly in the Latin Church. It is not done at all in the Protestant churches except on the local level which is really a popularity contest and not a theological one.
***They are wackaddoo losers who are trying to bring back paganistic ritual sacrifice from the dawn of prehistory and soil the names of good Christian organizations.***
Perhaps. I think that the drive is simply the most simple explanation of human preference, laziness, and most importantly, power.
By their fruits shall ye know them.
Hey man you are ‘probly a heckuva lot smarter than me when it comes to this stuff. All I’m saying is that these troggs are doing stuff that lots of Protestants are no way into, despite what the media would like for us to think.
“Perhaps. I think that the drive is simply the most simple explanation of human preference, laziness, and most importantly, power.”
Ask yourself how the devil would work. This is real old stuff come again, in my opinion.
Shame on each and every one of them.
Where's that in the Bible?!!
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African Methodist Episcopal Church
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Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Churches in the USA
Diocese of the Armenian Church of America
Christian Church (Disciples of Christ)
Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
Church of the Brethren
The Coptic Orthodox Church in North America
The Episcopal Church
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Friends United Meeting
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America
Hungarian Reformed Church in America
International Council of Community Churches
Korean Presbyterian Church in America
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church
Mar Thoma Church
Moravian Church in America Northern Province and Southern Province
National Baptist Convention of America
National Baptist Convention, U.S.A., Inc.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
Orthodox Church in America
Patriarchal Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church in the USA
Philadelphia Yearly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends
Polish National Catholic Church of America
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)
Progressive National Baptist Convention, Inc.
Reformed Church in America
Serbian Orthodox Church in the U.S.A. and Canada
The Swedenborgian Church
Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch
Ukrainian Orthodox Church of America
United Church of Christ
The United Methodist Church
From what I know about the organizations mentioned in the article, the god they serve does. Hint: They are part of the many that, on Judgement Day Jesus will say, “Depart from me I never knew you....”
The god they serve is Satan.
And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. - Matther 18:5
“Where’s that in the Bible?!!”
What does that have to do with it? /sarc
***Hey man you are probly a heckuva lot smarter than me when it comes to this stuff. All Im saying is that these troggs are doing stuff that lots of Protestants are no way into, despite what the media would like for us to think.***
The individuals may or may not be, but their theological leadership is in a rather public fashion.
***Ask yourself how the devil would work. This is real old stuff come again, in my opinion.***
Absolutely, satan is described as the great deceiver. If he has gotten these mainline Protestant churches to the point where they are openly asking for abortion funding, they are further towards serving satan than previously believed.
It's pitiful. My many generations of Methodist forebearers are spinning in their graves.
In my usual disclaimer, the Missouri Synod adheres to its REAL Christ-centered Lutheran foundation and roots, while the apostate Evangelical *Lutheran* Church in America ( ELCA ) does NOT.
We stand firm with Dr. Luther and the teachings of the Holy Scripture....not the diluted, twisted and spun teachings as promulgated by liberal moles in the denomination.
"On Christ the solid rock we stand, all OTHER GROUND is shifting sand."
( *....retaining the name "Lutheran" illegitimately)
nothing surprises me anymore. Except orthodoxy.
* as of August 19, AD 2009, a liberal protestant SECT, not part of the holy, catholic and apostolic CHURCH.
This is the precise reason I left the UMC seven years ago.
Some Pharisees came, and to test him they asked, Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife? He answered them, What did Moses command you? They said, Moses allowed a man to write a certificate of dismissal and to divorce her. But Jesus said to them, Because of your hardness of heart he wrote this commandment for you. but from the beginning of creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.
Then in the house the disciples asked him again about this matter. He said to them, Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.
People were bringing little children to him in order that he might touch them; and the disciples spoke sternly to them. but when Jesus saw this, he was indignant and said to them, Let the little children come to me; do not stop them; for it is to such as these that the kingdom of God belongs. Truly I tell you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God as a little child will never enter it. And he took them up in his arms, laid his hands on them, and blessed them.
Acceptance of divorce leads to acceptance of contraception leads to acceptance of abortion, all leading to acceptance of homosexual partnering.
The arguments developed and changed over time but there was a general feeling of helplessness and unavoidability as state after state adopted looser laws. That is, until it hit Louisiana. The Catholics put up a magnificent fight and stopped it cold. I can remember collecting money for the Catholics there and it was perhaps my first real contact with the Catholic Church but the money we were collecting was from Methodists, and Anabaptists and Lutherans. Pennies really but that was all anyone had.
The battle was Catholic vs. Baptists who were pushing abortion and, in this case (and Texas), the Catholics won.
We would later be undone by Roe but that was one sweet, sweet victory.
I wouldn't worry too much about the Brethern because I would imagine abortion would be virtually non-existant, even if legal.
Brethern? I am shocked.
They are cousins to Mennonites and Amish and up in this area are plain clothes people with covering.
The methodist in the list, I assume, since Garrett is a Methodist Seminary.
However, it is not possible for her to speak for the Methodist church. That can only be done by the every 4 year "General Conference."
She no more speaks for the UMC than does the president of Notre Dame speak for the Roman Catholic Church.
I wish the methodist position on life were better than rape, incest, life of the mother, but it isn't. Although that is the intent, the wording needs to be worked on to make it very clear that life of mother is what's being talked about.
I agree that the wording of the article leads to the incorrect conclusion that the signers of the letter are speaking on behalf of their respective denominations.
Abortion to save the mother’s life was permitted long before Roe v. Wade and, as far as I know, Protestants and Catholics did not object to it. There are nearly 4000 abortions EACH DAY in the United States, the number of these that truly save the life of the mother are too small to even quantify and in most of these cases the baby was NEVER going to survive.
Who were the ELCA people who signed off on this abortion (sic) of a statement?
The ELCA CWA also asked ELCA members to counter “mis-information” about obama “health” care. (The REAL mis-information comes from the White House and the Congress.) So the ELCA is for death to both babies (the unborn and those in neonatal units, suffering from genetic diseases, etc.) and seniors!!!!
The ELCA mis-leaders are laboring under a delusion of Satan. They need the Holy Spirit to heal them. They have no business whatsoever prescribing policy to anyone, whether their own members or to public officials.
They have hit an all-time low. The National Council of Communist Churches continues to ride to Hell!
A quick serarch and I found this person is not an active pastor of a congregation.
There is a split coming to the COB unless (what I have dubbed) 'The Ft. Wayne problem' is quickly resolved. There is a contingent from Ft. Wayne that is attempting to push a (what I believe to be a personal) gay agenda into the church. Now it appears 'The Ft. Wayne problem' has expanded to be pro-abortion. Next summer, at their annual conference, the gay agenda will either be embraced or rebuked. The COB desperately needs your prayers.
I did not leave the Methodist, they left me.
You come from WayBack! Great! I am pleased to know you better.
I will certainly pray that y'all can clean up the Fr. Wayne problem. Please, if I may ask, pray that we Catholics can clean up the Notre Dame problem. And a great deal more.
Oh, and the Catechism is still Catholic.
And so is the Pope. (There's a great deal of comfort in that!)
I will more easier contend with fellow Catholics in error because their errors confuse those not of the Catholic Faith. As the late Bishop Fulton Sheen used to say: If the Catholic Church were to be what its opponents contend it is, then (Bishop Sheen) would not be a member of it either.
To each of you, may God continue to bless you and yours.
Thank you, BlackElk. My blessings go to you and yours as well.
Steven Ertelt (the editor of Life News) is a man of great integrity and a FReeper. I think it was clear to most readers that the clergy who signed did so as individuals and not on behalf of their denominations, but I’m glad he clarified it.
Nor, are they the Wisconsin Synod.
Why in the world would this bunch ever have to think about reproducing???
“You must purge the ugliness from among you.” And all the people said, “Amen” and “Amen”.