In The Beginning God, Not Darwin, Created

Post Scripts ^ | 10/11/09 | One Vike

[parsifal]

I usually try to stay away from religious threads because I do not want to be a stumbling block to anyone. That being said, I like to say I was a Baptist back when Baptists still believed in dinosaurs and that the Bible was inspired but not every word of it was literally true.

For some people, they have to believe the Noah’s Ark story or they can not believe in Jesus. So while I disagree, I would rather someone believe in Jesus AND Noah’s Ark, then not believe in Jesus at all. Those whose faith is strong enough to separate the two are usually going to find their way out to different denominations and groups of believers.

That being said, I think God created us and evolution was one of his tools. I don’t think “life” is an accident, even at the amoeba level. IMHO science only confirms the non-accidental basis of life, but by and large it ain’t worth risking another person’s faith over by arguing it.

parsy.

[ColdWater]

Furthermore, to deny God created everything through Christ in a normal 6-day period is to question the very character and nature of God. It attributes to Him the evil, wasteful, chaotic, random, purposeless, death-filled processes of evolutionary "creation", that would make Him (God) the very Author and Sustainer of all that the theory of evolution demands.

To believe in the 6-day creation and the devolution of man attributes a failure in design by God. God is perfect. Why would he create the evil in the world.

[humblegunner]

I wish more had delved into the debate

It's hard to wish to debate rationally when the stated premise
is that if one believes in evolution, one is an athiest.

Right off the bat, the broad-brush name calling leads to acrimony.

The piece was well written though. Thanks for posting it.

[metmom]

No. There is no failure in design. The design allowed for infinite variety within the creation. It works as it’s supposed to.

The design was perfect, but no design, no matter how perfect initially nor how perfect the designer, can remain perfect once corruption enters into the mix.

Evil entered the world with sin. God did not create it. With the capacity for choosing good, comes the capacity to reject it and choose *not good*. That is what evil is.

[metmom]

Corruption also entered the world with sin. That was man’s doing, not God’s.

He told man how to choose and what the consequences would be. Man could have learned the knowledge of good and evil by obeying God instead of disobeying Him.

[ColdWater]

The design was perfect, but no design, no matter how perfect initially nor how perfect the designer, can remain perfect once corruption enters into the mix.

A perfect design cannot be corrupted.

BTW, who created the corruption?

[whattajoke]

You, my friend have become what you wish to be... a god.

Really? I never knew. Suffice it to say, I am a mortal human being and am quite comfortable with that.

Of course, you once again miss the point. Why not discuss your particular creationism vs. others' particular creationism. THAT'S what this thread is about. Are you an OEC or a YEC? Are you a geocentrist? Stake you claim and make your point.

And stop worrying about me.

[ColdWater]

Man could have learned the knowledge of good and evil by obeying God instead of disobeying Him.

You have that backwards. They learned the knowledge of good and evil by disobeying God. Read your Bible!

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17: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die

[ColdWater]

1: Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Serpents can talk and think! Who would have thunk it!

[Religion Moderator]

you wish to be

Reading the mind of another Freeper - or attributing motives to him - are forms of "making it personal."

Discuss the issus all you want, but do not make it personal.

[ColdWater]

. That being said, I like to say I was a Baptist back when Baptists still believed in dinosaurs and that the Bible was inspired but not every word of it was literally true.

They still believe in dinosaurs, they just put saddles on them now.

[Gordon Greene]

I’m afraid if I must die for the cause, I must.

I fall on my sword, milady...

[Gordon Greene]

Don’t take it personal... I’m not the least bit worried about you.

[Gordon Greene]

I will do my best.

Thanks.

GG

[count-your-change]

No problem with the ping.

To consider just one one point, #5, I'll return to others later, in the comment about the Greek word “Aion” which at Matt. 28:20 is used for the Hebrew ‘olahm’.

“Aion”, according to the examples given in Thayer’s Greek/English Lexicon, indicates an indefinite time period marked by something peculiar to it, as in the “age of steam”, or as Matt. 28:20 uses the “aion” as the end of a system marked as Paul said at 2 Cor. 4:4, the influence and sway of Satan. Often “aion” is translated as “world” which carries a wrong idea.

So “aion” would not be an appropriate translation for a time period of definite duration however long.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[count-your-change]

What does the word “knowledge” as used there mean?

[ColdWater]

What does the word “knowledge” as used there mean?

Which? Metmom's, mine or the Biblical?

[CottShop]

[[Understood and accepted. I promise to never point out your typing skills if you promise to never - for the millionth time - make some lame joke about my screename reflecting upon my intellect. Truce?]]

Why would I start soemthign I’ve Never done in the past? I’ve never made fun of your screenname- you’re confusing me with others I’m afraid

[count-your-change]

Take your pick.