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In Sweden lesbian bishop is not a 'hot issue', in Africa, church fumes (Lutheran)
Ecumenical News International ^ | 11/17/2009 | Peter Kenny

Posted on 11/18/2009 1:03:02 PM PST by markomalley

font size="2" color="black">Geneva (ENI). Church of Sweden Archbishop Anders Wejryd triggered outrage from a Lutheran church in Africa when he ordained an openly lesbian woman as bishop of Stockholm on 8 November. The archbishop asserts, however, that neither his church nor his country supports promiscuity, but that Sweden is a "surprisingly moral society". He said the Swedish church encourages faithful and stable relationships between people whatever their sexual orientation may be.

The Church of Sweden issued a press statement when 55-year-old Eva Brunne was consecrated as the bishop of Stockholm in a ceremony at Uppsala cathedral, the mother church of the world's biggest Lutheran denomination with nearly 7 million members.

Under Swedish law, Brunne lives in a civil union partnership with another woman, Gunilla Lindén, who is a Church of Sweden pastor, and they are the guardians of a three-year-old child.

So far the Lutheran World Federation, which represents almost 69 million Christians in 79 countries, has managed to avoid the same level of acrimony and divisiveness as the 77-million-strong Anglican Communion on the issue of gay clergy.

The Church of Sweden and the (Anglican) Church of England have an agreement under which they can share ministries and sacraments, but the accord could face strains because of the latest ordination in Uppsala and the Anglican Communion's official opposition to gay clergy living in non-celibate relationships.

Some of the most strident criticism against the Church of Sweden came from Lutherans in Kenya, however.

"We condemn in the strongest terms possible this unfortunate and anti-scriptural development in a church body that bears the name of the great reformer, Dr Martin Luther," said Archbishop Walter Obare, the leader of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Kenya.

Wejryd granted an interview with Ecumenical News International when the LWF held a meeting of its main governing body in Geneva between 22 and 27 October, in which he spoke about the Church of Sweden and same-sex relationships.



"This is an issue of conscience and therefore we have to be very open," Wejryd told ENI. "In Sweden it isn't so hot [an issue]. I mean we have had clergy living in [same-sex] partnerships for 30 years, in parts of the country.

"They have been looked upon as respectful Christians. Maybe that is hard to understand," he said.

"Our question is, is this theologically possible? I think it goes along with our biblical interpretation that has also led us to work against slavery - there is a lot of slavery in the Bible," the Swedish archbishop said.

"And it has also made us go against capital punishment which is also a natural thing in the Bible. The importance of the message of love has made it impossible to go along with that," Wejryd added. "We have also gone against a lot of the teachings about the subordination of women."

Archbishop Wejryd said that in Sweden there a large demand from the country's gay community to have marriages.

"Some priests refuse to go along with this," he said and noted that the Church of Sweden began working on how it deals with homosexuality in the church in 1972. Still, although homosexuality is generally tolerated in Sweden there is still homophobia in the country and gay people can be targets, he said.

The Church of Sweden, however, strongly believes it is important to show that homosexuals have equal rights. On 1 May Sweden's parliament approved of a law adopting same-sex marriages, whereas in the past it had instituted civil unions for gay people.


The general synod of the Church of Sweden on 22 October, with the approval of 70 percent of its bishops, also approved church weddings for same-sex couples.

Arguing that Sweden is a moral society against promiscuity, Archbishop Wejryd said, "It is one of the societies where prostitution is least accepted. It is illegal to buy sexual services in Sweden and that is a law that has enormous backing."

He said, however, the model that Sweden and its national Lutheran church espouses, is not one that should be exported and that it should not be imposed on churches in other countries.

"Everyone has to decide for themselves. It is so important that all these issues are handled very seriously in your own cultural context," the archbishop stated. "I think things like this should not be pushed upon someone else."

Archbishop Wejryd noted that the Lutheran World Federation lives as a grouping of churches with different opinions on the ordination of women, divorce and other matters.

"We must leave a lot to responsibility of the respective churches," he said. "I don't think we will be very active missionaries on this."


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Ministry/Outreach; Moral Issues
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; lutheran; moapb; sweden
The interesting part of this is that many have asserted that the Church of Sweden has preserved its apostolic succession. The ordination of a female "bishop," along with any of her subsequent "ordinands" dramatically decrease the validity of any kind of claim for that in the future. (Note to my fellow Catholics, I am not making any claim one way or the other as to the validity of the claim of apostolic succession...I am just pointing out that there are those who assert it)
1 posted on 11/18/2009 1:03:07 PM PST by markomalley
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To: lightman
((ping))
2 posted on 11/18/2009 1:03:59 PM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Lesbian bishops?

Two words I never thought I’d see together, for two self evident reasons.


3 posted on 11/18/2009 1:05:32 PM PST by NeoCaveman (kill the bill)
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To: markomalley

Why any person who believes in Jesus of Nazareth isn’t a Roman Catholic is flat out beyond me.

If you believe that Jesus of Nazareth is the Son of God and you’re not a Roman Catholic, that’s like deliberately getting yourself lost at sea. Or it’s like locking yourself in a dark windowless room filled with scorpions and deadly snakes.

Either way, I wouldn’t recommend it.


4 posted on 11/18/2009 1:07:36 PM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: markomalley
Church of Sweden Archbishop Anders Wejryd triggered outrage from a Lutheran church in Africa when he ordained an openly lesbian woman as bishop of Stockholm on 8 November... Under Swedish law, Brunne lives in a civil union partnership with another woman, Gunilla Lindén, who is a Church of Sweden pastor

The Church of Sweden is making plain that Sweden is as much a mission field as any place on earth, starting with the so-called Church of Sweden itself.

5 posted on 11/18/2009 1:10:18 PM PST by marron
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To: markomalley; Charles Henrickson; martin_fierro
Church of Sweden Archbishop Anders Wejryd triggered outrage from a Lutheran church in Africa when he ordained an openly lesbian woman as bishop

"Ordination" of women to any position in a Christian denomination is 'wejryd'...

(and worse)

6 posted on 11/18/2009 1:12:01 PM PST by mikrofon (Multi-Faith PING)
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To: BertWheeler

To be honest I dont care what the Lutherans do to their Church. If they wish gays and promiscuity and Fudge packing that is up to them. Personally if and when it comes to my Church I will either find a Church that does not practice such things , or start practicing my belief in God on my own with out benefit of clergy.

I will not go against my conscience on such matters just to belong to a religion that accepts such things.


7 posted on 11/18/2009 1:12:59 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Venturer

You’re right. Sometimes you gotta go it alone.


8 posted on 11/18/2009 1:15:47 PM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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To: lightman; 1234; A knight without armor; AIM-54; Allan; american colleen; AndyPH; anguish; ...
Some of the most strident criticism against the Church of Sweden came from Lutherans in Kenya, however. "We condemn in the strongest terms possible this unfortunate and anti-scriptural development in a church body that bears the name of the great reformer, Dr Martin Luther," said Archbishop Walter Obare, the leader of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Kenya.

I have met Bishop Obare of Kenya on several occasions, and he is a fine man of God. I also know a number of pastors in the "faithful remnant" of Lutherans in Sweden.

This thread should get a Lutheran ping, lightman, as well as the Swedish ping I'll give it now.

Ping to the Swedish Ping List.

9 posted on 11/18/2009 1:16:23 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Swedish Ping List master and Lutheran pastor, LCMS)
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To: markomalley
Swedish Lesbian Bishops...Isn't that the name of a punk band? If it isn't, it should be.
10 posted on 11/18/2009 1:16:53 PM PST by opus86
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To: opus86

It seems that some of these allegedly Christian churches have taken Affirmative Action to an accelerated end. Of course the best way to destroy someting is from the inside.


11 posted on 11/18/2009 1:22:28 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: markomalley

“Many will say to Me on that day {the Day of Judgment},’Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from Me, you evildoers!” Matthew 7:22,23.


12 posted on 11/18/2009 1:33:33 PM PST by kittymyrib
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To: Venturer

These folks are no more Lutheran than Catholics for Choice or Roman Catholic Women Priests are Catholic.


13 posted on 11/18/2009 1:38:45 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: markomalley

Why not go for the hat trick? A bishop who is a

1.) Woman
2.) Queer
3.) Atheist


14 posted on 11/18/2009 2:06:11 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (:: The government will do for health care what it did for real estate. ::)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Thanks for posting this. I had earlier posted this article on the Forum message board. We could use many Bishops like Walter Obare!


15 posted on 11/18/2009 2:39:13 PM PST by Charlemagne on the Fox
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To: aberaussie; Aeronaut; aliquando; AlternateViewpoint; AnalogReigns; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...


Lutheran Ping!
16 posted on 11/18/2009 3:38:02 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: lightman

I'm sure she's got a great personality!


17 posted on 11/18/2009 4:12:54 PM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Jeff Chandler
Why not go for the hat trick? A bishop who is a 1.) Woman 2.) Queer 3.) Atheist

I believe that the Church of England has already beaten them to it; I think that #2 and #3 are almost mandated, given some of the CofE bishops that I have read about.

18 posted on 11/18/2009 4:19:54 PM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

When a Church so intentionally violates scripture, it ceases being a church. It’s something else that people call a church.

I’m amazed that people can think there’s any legitimate debate to be had on this issue.

Sadly, the Church of Sweden is something other than a church of God.


19 posted on 11/18/2009 4:58:01 PM PST by AIM-54
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To: BertWheeler
Why any person who believes in Jesus of Nazareth isn’t a Roman Catholic is flat out beyond me.

No, he was a Jew who wasn't a particular fan of the Eurotrash Romans.

20 posted on 11/18/2009 5:00:52 PM PST by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: BertWheeler
"Why any person who believes in Jesus of Nazareth isn’t a Roman Catholic is flat out beyond me."

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew!

21 posted on 11/18/2009 6:25:41 PM PST by Redleg Duke ("Don't fire unless fired upon, but it they mean to have a war, let it begin here." J Parker, 1775)
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To: Redleg Duke; BertWheeler; Clemenza; Kolokotronis
"Why any person who believes in Jesus of Nazareth isn’t a Roman Catholic is flat out beyond me."

I hate to be the one to break this to you, but Jesus of Nazareth was a Jew!

Aye, and with such background He is closer kindred to the Syrian Orthodox.

22 posted on 11/18/2009 7:34:32 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: AIM-54

When a Church so intentionally violates scripture, it ceases being a church. It’s something else that people call a church.

I’m amazed that people can think there’s any legitimate debate to be had on this issue.

Sadly, the Church of Sweden is something other than a church of God.


Agreed. I will never understand why people who reject the scriptures bother with the formalities and sanctimony. I just do not get it.


23 posted on 11/18/2009 11:33:43 PM PST by Psalm 144 (What did you think NEW WORLD ORDER meant? The Constitution? States' rights? Individual liberty?)
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To: lightman

“Aye, and with such background He is closer kindred to the Syrian Orthodox.”

EVERYBODY knows He was a Greek boy. My great grandmother always said that and she knew His mother very well!


24 posted on 11/19/2009 3:32:41 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: westernciv

Congratulations Sweden! /sarc


25 posted on 11/19/2009 6:19:56 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina NOW!!! 2010 -- Kick the dims OUT!!)
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To: WesternCulture

Congratulations Swedes! /Sarc


26 posted on 11/19/2009 6:22:32 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina NOW!!! 2010 -- Kick the dims OUT!!)
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To: lightman

Very true.

Ditto for the Blessed Virgin Mary - Judaism’s greatest Jew ever! The Virgin Mary was the epitome of the chosen people and was handpicked by God at Creation.

Only Judaism could have given birth to the Roman Catholic Church.

Then there was that whole declaration to Peter that upon this rock He will build His Church.

His disciples stayed true until the Temple was smashed in AD 70 and, being Jews and looking for signs, they saw the sign.

No offense intended to my protestant buddies out there but Jesus said He would be with us until the end of time. He didn’t say “Adios” and “I’ll catch up with y’all in 1500 years or so when an apostate tacks a list on a door.”


27 posted on 11/19/2009 8:00:03 AM PST by BertWheeler (Dance and the World Dances With You!)
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