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Wisconsin group argues Catholics can use contraception in good conscience
CNA ^ | 12/4/2009

Posted on 12/04/2009 11:18:01 AM PST by markomalley

A Wisconsin group claiming to be Catholic has launched a series of television ads which state that using contraception doesn't make you less of a Catholic. The group, Young Catholics for Choice, has partnered with the Wisconsin Family Planning Health Services and is advocating the use of the controversial morning after pill.

Member of Young Catholics for Choice, Marissa Valeri, told Milwaukee's Fox 6 news, “They may have heard differently from the hierarchy and they may have heard differently from their parish priest and we're here to let them know that they are not alone and that you can be a good Catholic and use contraception.”

She added, “I'm sure there will be some conservative voices out there that will not agree with that we are saying in these ads and we're not speaking to them. We're speaking to the vast majority of Catholics that use contraception and are supportive of emergency contraception and use that as well."

“As a young Catholic myself, Young Catholics for Choice does not speak for me,” said Virginia Zignego, communications director of Pro-Life Wisconsin. “The Catholic Church clearly opposes contraception and abortion. It is unfortunate that Catholics for Choice are using the label ‘Catholic’ to push their agenda and normalize risky sexual behavior.”

Archbishop Jerome Listeki, the new Archbishop of Milwaukee, says there isn't any room for interpretation on the issue of “choice.” He noted that to say one is a Catholic, but also embraces “a position of choice,” denies “an inherent aspect. He told Fox News, “That inherent aspect is the dignity of the human individual right from the very moment of conception.”

“That strikes at odds with the Church's teachings,” concluded Listeki.

Young Catholics for Choice presented the “Plan B” pill as “the get it before you need it pill” at this press conference. However, they fail to mention the series of negative affects it has on the woman's body.

Pro-Life Wisconsin cited the FDA website which warns that “Plan B is not designed for frequent use, because of its negative health consequences, which include blood clots and a high risk for ectopic pregnancy.”

The pill itself works by creating a chemical abortion within the woman's body. The morning-after pill “can act to terminate a pregnancy by chemically altering the lining of the uterus (endometrium) so that a newly conceived child (human embryo) is unable to implant in the womb, thus starving and dying,” notes Pro-Life Wisconsin.

“When Young Catholics for Choice and Family Planning Health Services recommend women ‘should have [the morning after pill] on hand before they need it,' women's health is not being respected,” Zignego concluded.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: catholic; cino
It would be nice if the USCCB could trademark "Catholic" to stop these groups from its unauthorized use.

"Young Catholics for Choice" indeed...

1 posted on 12/04/2009 11:18:02 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Who died and made them Pope?


2 posted on 12/04/2009 11:19:55 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: markomalley

That’s kind of up to the Pope....Ain’t it?


3 posted on 12/04/2009 11:20:55 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, nothing more than bald haired hippies.)
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To: markomalley

Heresy isn’t a particularly novel practice.


4 posted on 12/04/2009 11:22:03 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: markomalley

If any of them are actually baptized Catholics then EXCU them.


5 posted on 12/04/2009 11:22:36 AM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER; brytlea
That’s kind of up to the Pope....Ain’t it?

Particularly in regards to abortifacient contraceptives, like Plan B, it is NOT up to the Pope. The Pope can't just go about and change the position of the Church on important doctrinal matters, particularly since those doctrinal matters have been condemned by the Church since around AD 65 (when the Didache was written).

Somebody asked JPII about if the Church would ever change it's position on Womynpriests. Not only did he say no...he said that he CAN'T make that change. The same thing here with this issue. It can't be changed.

A lot of folks are confused and think that contraceptives were prohibited by Paul VI. I know...that's the way the media spun it. Well, Paul VI did not invent that doctrine. It has ALWAYS been a part of Church teaching. Paul VI, in his writing Humanae Vitae, simply confirmed and codified what the Church has always taught.

6 posted on 12/04/2009 11:28:47 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

Amen.


7 posted on 12/04/2009 11:31:39 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: markomalley

As a former Catholic I understand that. It was a joke. Sheesh.


8 posted on 12/04/2009 11:33:25 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: steve86
If any of them are actually baptized Catholics then EXCU them.

That is exactly what should be done. Give them fair warning and if they persist excommunicate them. This so-called Catholic group is leading the faithful to Hell and should be dealt with accordingly.

9 posted on 12/04/2009 11:33:35 AM PST by frogjerk
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To: brytlea
As a former Catholic I understand that. It was a joke. Sheesh.

A lot of people. A LOT don't.

10 posted on 12/04/2009 11:35:39 AM PST by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley
"Young Catholics for Choice" indeed...

Their chosen title says it all. It says exactly what they are up to. They would deny "From My mother’s womb You have been My God" Psalm 22:10.

11 posted on 12/04/2009 11:36:33 AM PST by sr4402
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To: markomalley

sounds like they are taking cues from Patrick Kennedy...


12 posted on 12/04/2009 11:36:37 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Taking cues from Patrick kennedy is like taking cues from a goat. My Lord, but he’s dumb.


13 posted on 12/04/2009 11:41:23 AM PST by RexBeach ("Those are my principles...if you don't like them, I have others." Groucho Marx)
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; markomalley; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; ...
A Wisconsin group claiming to be Catholic ...

Catholic Ping
Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list


14 posted on 12/04/2009 12:19:47 PM PST by NYer ("One Who Prays Is Not Afraid; One Who Prays Is Never Alone" - Benedict XVI)
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To: markomalley

Since when? I wonder if they say the same thing about abortion too.


15 posted on 12/04/2009 12:39:31 PM PST by Trillian
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To: markomalley

“Wisconsin group argues Catholics can use contraception in good conscience”

Um. No they can’t. There. I have spoken. It’s settled. :0)


16 posted on 12/04/2009 12:45:03 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: Trillian

I’m sure they say the same thing about fornication. Surely the number of married women who need to carry “emergency contraception” around is pretty limited.


17 posted on 12/04/2009 1:03:44 PM PST by Tax-chick (Don't worry - the king cobra will save you!)
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To: samiam1972; Tax-chick
Um. No they can’t. There. I have spoken. It’s settled.

I'm thinking that you and Tax-chick should pile your kids in a bus, drive up there and set these women straight!

18 posted on 12/04/2009 1:22:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: markomalley
Well, the Magisterium Self-Indulgent Monetary Holding Company (composed of Me, Myself and I) is of the opinion that everyone in America should contribute $10 to the aforementioned Company.

I'm sure I can guess the average person's opinion of the moral authority and big-picture relevance behind that pronouncement, even though I'm all in favor of it!

Just so, with these numbskulls! And I wouldn't be surprised if their actual membership numbers are on a par with my own "Company's," too!

19 posted on 12/04/2009 1:28:49 PM PST by magisterium
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To: NYer

Am I still on your ping list?


20 posted on 12/04/2009 1:36:36 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; NYer

NYer had sent out a ping a while back seeing who still wanted to be on the list. It seems that a bunch of us didn’t pay any attention to it and got removed from the list.


21 posted on 12/04/2009 1:51:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Heh ... Pat would reason them into absolute hysterics and then recite the Star Wars saga in iambic pentamenter. That will teach them!


22 posted on 12/04/2009 2:08:30 PM PST by Tax-chick (Don't worry - the king cobra will save you!)
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To: markomalley

I’m not sure the USCCB would be the best group to hold such a copyright.


23 posted on 12/04/2009 2:11:05 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: wagglebee; Tax-chick

We’d need a bus! :o)


24 posted on 12/04/2009 3:29:00 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: samiam1972

Our van is full with just us.


25 posted on 12/04/2009 3:31:44 PM PST by Tax-chick (Don't worry - the king cobra will save you!)
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To: markomalley; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; ...
+

Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

Obama Says A Baby Is A Punishment

Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

26 posted on 12/04/2009 3:36:22 PM PST by narses ('in an odd way this is cheering news!'.)
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To: Tax-chick

Ours is, too. We haven’t upgraded to the 12-15 passenger yet. That’s next on our list although we have joked about buying a small bus.


27 posted on 12/04/2009 3:38:42 PM PST by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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To: NYer; markomalley; Salvation; AnAmericanMother

It’s currently being trumpeted on this guy’s blog too as a courageous Catholic position and something we should be proud of.

http://faithfulmilwaukeecatholic.blogspot.com/2009/12/young-catholics-that-still-care-about.html


28 posted on 12/04/2009 3:58:45 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: markomalley
women's health is not being respected,” Zignego concluded.

the killing of babies is not being respected,” Zignego concluded.

There ... I fixed it.

29 posted on 12/04/2009 4:04:00 PM PST by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: markomalley
You know, the local Archbishop here SUED a bunch of con men who started up an "Iglesia Catolica" in order to chisel the local Hispanics out of their hard earned dinero.

He won, too.

30 posted on 12/04/2009 4:42:08 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: NYer; netmilsmom

If I have inadvertently been dropped from either of your lists, please add me back onto each of them. Also thanks for all the wonderful work that each of you do here.


31 posted on 12/04/2009 4:49:05 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: samiam1972

I’m a BAD Catholic...but I have never used birth-control in my LIFE!!! This is disgusting!


32 posted on 12/04/2009 4:57:59 PM PST by the lastbestlady (I now believe that we have two lives; the life we learn with and the life we live with after that.)
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To: markomalley
The "controversial morning after pill" also happens to be abortifacient. Besides the fact that the Church will always continue to teach that contraception is inherently sinful, the Church cannot endorse abortion, be it surgical or chemical:

Postfertilization Effect of Hormonal Emergency Contraception

DATA SYNTHESIS: The 2 most common types of hormonal EC used in the US are the Yuzpe regimen (high-dose ethinyl estradiol with high-dose levonorgestrel) and Plan B (high-dose levonorgestrel alone). Although both methods sometimes stop ovulation, they may also act by reducing the probability of implantation, due to their adverse effect on the endometrium (a postfertilization effect). The available evidence for a postfertilization effect is moderately strong, whether hormonal EC is used in the preovulatory, ovulatory, or postovulatory phase of the menstrual cycle.

CONCLUSIONS: Based on the present theoretical and empirical evidence, both the Yuzpe regimen and Plan B likely act at times by causing a postfertilization effect, regardless of when in the menstrual cycle they are used. These findings have potential implications in such areas as informed consent, emergency department protocols, and conscience clauses.

33 posted on 12/04/2009 6:15:42 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: markomalley

**Young Catholics for Choice**

I think not. They need to check their catechism!


34 posted on 12/04/2009 10:15:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: markomalley
More from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From the Catechism of the Catholic Church
(click on the book for the link.)
 
 
2399 The regulation of births represents one of the aspects of responsible fatherhood and motherhood. Legitimate intentions on the part of the spouses do not justify recourse to morally unacceptable means (for example, direct sterilization or contraception).

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality. These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, "every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible" is intrinsically evil:

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . . The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.

35 posted on 12/04/2009 10:15:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
Contraception: The history you may have missed and would rather not know
Press in a Dither Again over Pope’s Reaffirmation of Catholic Teaching
How Birth Control Changed America for the Worst
If You Are Contracepting, You Are Part of A Very Big Problem

Vatican and Italian government criticize sale of RU 486 in Italy
New Condom Ads Target Catholics, Latinos
St. Padre Pio, Humanae Vitae, and Mandatory Abortion
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part Two [Open]
Responsible Parenthood in a Birth Control Culture, Part One [Open]

Humanae Vitae and True Sexual Freedom — Part 6 of 6 [Open]
Contraception v. Natural Family Planning — Part 5 of 6 [Open]
Sex Speaks: True and False Prophets — Part 4 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and the Language of the Body — Part 3 of 6 [Open]
Does Contraception Foster Love? — Part 2 of 6 [Open]
Contraception and Cultural Chaos — Part 1 of 6 [Open]


Priests still suffering from effects of Humanae Vitae dissenters, Vatican cardinal says (Must read!)
"Provoking reflection" (Contrasting views on Humanae Vitae)
Humanae Vitae The Year of the Peirasmòs - 1968
Catholics to Pope: Lift the Birth Control Ban

[OPEN] The Vindication of Humanae Vitae
Catholic Clergy Challenge Colleagues to Reacquaint Themselves and Their People with Humanae Vitae
White House proposes wide "conscience clause" on abortion, contraception
THE EX CATHEDRA STATUS OF THE ENCYCLICAL "HUMANAE VITAE" [Catholic Caucus]
“A degrading poison that withers life”
Australia Study: 70 Percent of Women Seeking Abortions Used Contraception

[Fr. Thomas Euteneuer] In Persona Christi: The Priest and Contraception

A Challenging Truth, Part Two: The Day the Birth Control Died
A Challenging Truth, Part One: How Birth Control Works
Ten Challenges for the Pro-Life Movement in 2008
The concept of the "intrinsically evil"
Pope Tells Pharmacists Not to Dispense Drugs With 'Immoral Purposes'

Massive Study Finds the Pill Significantly Increases Cancer Risk if Used more than Eight Years
Birth Control Pill Creates Blood Clot Causing Death of Irish Woman
Seminarians Bring Church’s Teaching on Contraception, Sexuality to YouTube
Abortion and Contraception: Old Lies
History of Catholic teaching on Contraception

Pope: Legislation "Supporting Contraception and Abortion is Threatening the Future of Peoples"
Contraception: Why It's Wrong
On Fox News Fearless HLI Priest Takes on Sean Hannity (may be indebted for saving his soul)
VIDEO - SEAN HANNITY vs REV. THOMAS EUTENEUER (must see!)
The Early Church Fathers on Contraception - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus

Pope on divine love vs. erotic love
Conjugal Love and Procreation: God's Design
Being fruitful [Evangelicals and contraception]

36 posted on 12/04/2009 10:16:30 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: brytlea

You are never a “former” Catholic. Once you are a baptized Catholic — you are ALWAYS a Catholic. Better rethink your views.


37 posted on 12/04/2009 10:18:16 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: trisham; NYer; Tax-chick
Good Morning!

This is in my backyard, but I haven't seen any of these ads.

Didn't know about this until I saw the post.

Hmmmm.... It ain't gonna sell around here.

38 posted on 12/05/2009 4:51:58 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier)
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To: wagglebee; NYer

I took some time off recently. It probably happened then. This is all the proof I need to justify being on FR 24/7!


39 posted on 12/05/2009 7:21:40 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: markomalley

Isn’t this the establishment of a state church, and therefore unconstitutional?


40 posted on 12/05/2009 7:40:06 AM PST by B Knotts (Calvin Coolidge Republican)
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To: Salvation

No, now I’m a born against Christian. Not a Catholic. Pouring a little water on my head didn’t do anything for my salvation.


41 posted on 12/08/2009 3:44:36 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

But you are marked forever as a Catholic. The fault wasn’t in the Baptism, but in the lack of catechesis you (didn’t) receive.

You are welcome to come back to the Catholic Church at any time. All you need to do is sit down with a priest and get your questions answered. Which would lead to other steps, of course.


42 posted on 12/08/2009 8:57:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I really have no desire to come back to the Catholic church. I am well versed in the Gospel and know that I am saved by Grace.


43 posted on 12/08/2009 9:01:13 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: brytlea

OSAS doesn’t fly too well with Christ.

What happens at the moment of your death and you haven’t gone to Confession for years — and thus, your sins are not forgiven and forgotten by God?

Your risk — one I would not take.


44 posted on 12/08/2009 9:11:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: brytlea
FYI -- your sins are forgiven by GOD in Confession and you know they are forgiven and forgotten!

 
enter the Table of Contents of the Catechism of the Catholic Church here
1449 The formula of absolution used in the Latin Church expresses the essential elements of this sacrament: the Father of mercies is the source of all forgiveness. He effects the reconciliation of sinners through the Passover of his Son and the gift of his Spirit, through the prayer and ministry of the Church:
God, the Father of mercies,
through the death and the resurrection of his Son
has reconciled the world to himself
and sent the Holy Spirit among us
for the forgiveness of sins;
through the ministry of the Church
may God give you pardon and peace,
and I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.


45 posted on 12/08/2009 9:13:41 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

I confess directly, I don’t need to go to confession. My sins were covered by the blood of Jesus, there is nothing else I need do, nor indeed nothing I CAN do. I realize you have good intentions, but after having my eyes opened by reading the Bible myself, I realized that I was not saved because I attended church, was baptized as a Catholic, went to confession, etc. God bless you, however.


46 posted on 12/08/2009 12:10:24 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: markomalley

Generally speaking, these groups are not young (they’re usually run by gray-hairs), not Catholic, and not for “choice” on anything but whether or not you can kill an unborn baby.


47 posted on 12/08/2009 12:43:54 PM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: brytlea
I realize you have good intentions, but after having my eyes opened by reading the Bible myself, I realized that I was not saved because I attended church, was baptized as a Catholic, went to confession, etc.

Really? What language did you read it in? How much study of the Church fathers and of ancient history did you do so that you can be sure you're interpreting it correctly?

These kinds of statements always strike me as an extreme example of hubris. Think about the consequences to your immortal soul if your understanding of Sacred Scripture is deeply flawed--as it is almost certain to be.
48 posted on 12/08/2009 1:04:39 PM PST by Antoninus (The RNC's dream ticket: Romney / Scozzafava 2012)
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To: Antoninus

And if you’re wrong, as I’m sure YOU are?


49 posted on 12/08/2009 4:16:51 PM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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